Dune: Part Two (2024) ᑐ ᑌ ᑎ ᕮ ²

[A Sith Lord?]

Originally Posted by 50strat54

Well, welcome to the new normal. The free [combo package] ride is over.

If you did the B2G1 at Target for BF month, Dune bluray would have been $10. A lot of WB bluray titles were priced at $15.

I think Amazon also matched Target at $10.

Lots of blurays were the magical $10 which used to be $7.99.

Remember when Thor Love and Thunder 4K and Lightyear 4K was $6 through B2G1 at Target?
ahhhhh those were the days even though those two particular films were not great.

These days combo packs are now for Steelbooks. I'd like to point the finger at Disney for starting this trend, could be wrong but it seems Disney was first. The Little Mermaid remake.

Oh man. When I was spending like crazy in 2011-2013 on blu-rays, those Blu+DVD+Digital/UV combos were like hitting the jackpot. Hated buying something that was just Blu only or just Blu+Digital.

I only collect digital/itunes now, and only buy a 4K if it's a movie I want to keep in my personal collection. Back then I was buying almost everything. My iTunes collection is now so enormous, I gave up updating it on this site lol.

[DenOfEarth]

Originally Posted by cgpublic

Yes. Think of the editing as a superior form of a montage, a cinematic cliche, where the gaps are known to mark the passage of time.

From my perspective, having read and recently re-read the book, the film does not provide a step-by-step expression of that aspect of the narrative arc by design. There's simply too much material to cover, and I thought Villeneuve made the right decision, as everything one needs to know is right there: Paul acquires the skills specific to the desert, acceptance from the Fremen, and love from Chani.

That said, THR reported that entire performances were cut from the film, e.g., Tim Blake Nelson, and the scenes will not be released. While the editing for Dune 2 was not quite at the level of Oppenheimer, it was very good. There were one or two spots where the continuity was not as seamless as perhaps could be, but then, given the density of the book, it's a minor miracle.

After all, Dune is a property that many felt was unfilmable in the context of capturing the gestalt of the book.

Now that we have Dune 2, to be followed by Dune 3, there's no doubt in my mind this trilogy will stand with the very best, and who knows, perhaps even attain status the greatest science-fiction series ever filmed for the big screen.

They use to say Lord of the Rings was unfilmable and there had been many attempts before Jackson.

[morris_schaffer]

Originally Posted by aiman04

Very good but not great. Spectacular visuals. Battles too, amazing scale although they’re uninvolving, Denis didn’t put you into the battles and cut away too fast, almost like cut scenes in video games.

I saw Dune Part Two yesterday and I liked it, but I feel very similar here. Villeneuve isn't really a popcorn filmer, more of an auteur so perhaps he just doesn't care about the action scenes as much as he cares about all the cerebral stuff inbetween. But one moment yesterday was, for me at least and it seems also for you, emblematic of this. At one point during the first hour this massive Harkonnen machine lands and it is just absolutely, gobsmackingly massive, something to fear, something that won't budge, something that will take considerable planning, daring and firepower to dent, let alone stop. There's an action scene planned around that

[Show spoiler]with Paul and Chani being targeted by a flying foe

, and it's a good one, but moments later

[Show spoiler]these blue lasers pop up from nearby mountain ranges and the thing just explodes as if it was nothing, a fly to be swatted out of the sky. It became an afterthought and I thought why are these rebels so overpowered?

Maybe it's explained, but it doesn't really makes these epic action sequences super thrilling, climactic and earned. Although in all fairness, maybe Herbert didn't do much more with that either so the Canadian filmer simply adapts. Can't blame him.

[Number_6]

Originally Posted by morris_schaffer

.. At one point during the first hour this massive Harkonnen machine lands and it is just absolutely, gobsmackingly massive, something to fear, something that won't budge, something that will take considerable planning, daring and firepower to dent, let alone stop. There's an action scene planned around that

[Show spoiler]with Paul and Chani being targeted by a flying foe

, and it's a good one, but moments later

[Show spoiler]these blue lasers pop up from nearby mountain ranges and the thing just explodes as if it was nothing, a fly to be swatted out of the sky. It became an afterthought and I thought why are these rebels so overpowered?

Maybe it's explained…

[Show spoiler]Spice harvesters can’t operate with a shield for protection because shields attract worms and drive them into a killing frenzy. Ornithopters can operate with shields because they’re airborne and thus can serve as spotters and aerial protection. The Fremen can’t use lasguns (laser guns) on a shielded target because it creates explosive feedback (subatomic fusion) that would kill both the target and the ones firing the lasgun (I don’t remember if this point is even mentioned in passing in either film). That’s why there’s all the knives and swords even though they have laser gun technology, because if used properly (slowly) blades can penetrate shields without the negative effect. And a shielded ornithopter would be able to easily take out lasgun snipers on the dunes before they could do any real damage to the spice harvester.

So the job of the Fremen on the ground is to try and take out the shielded ornithopter with a projectile weapon while using the harvester as cover so the snipers can then use the lasgun. Part of the Fremen are trying to lure the ornithopter to fire at them, forcing them to momentarily lower their shield to get shots off, which gives Chani a brief opening to use her projectile weapon.

That probably doesn’t address your overall criticism of the movies, but that’s what’s going on in that particular scene. Don’t know if that helps.

[morris_schaffer]

Originally Posted by Number_6

[Show spoiler]Spice harvesters can’t operate with a shield for protection because shields attract worms and drive them into a killing frenzy. Ornithopters can operate with shields because they’re airborne and thus can serve as spotters and aerial protection. The Fremen can’t use lasguns (laser guns) on a shielded target because it creates explosive feedback (subatomic fusion) that would kill both the target and the ones firing the lasgun (I don’t remember if this point is even mentioned in passing in either film). That’s why there’s all the knives and swords even though they have laser gun technology, because if used properly (slowly) blades can penetrate shields without the negative effect. And a shielded ornithopter would be able to easily take out lasgun snipers on the dunes before they could do any real damage to the spice harvester.

So the job of the Fremen on the ground is to try and take out the shielded ornithopter with a projectile weapon while using the harvester as cover so the snipers can then use the lasgun. Part of the Fremen are trying to lure the ornithopter to fire at them, forcing them to momentarily lower their shield to get shots off, which gives Chani a brief opening to use her projectile weapon.

That probably doesn’t address your overall criticism of the movies, but that’s what’s going on in that particular scene. Don’t know if that helps.

Hey thanks man. I guess those l

[Show spoiler]asguns are still pretty darn powerful for them to be able to take out such a behemoth in 2 seconds

but it does fill in some of the blanks for me. I kinda feel the movie(s) didn't address this adequately or not at all but I'm not sure.

[Number_6]

Originally Posted by morris_schaffer

Hey thanks man. I guess those l

[Show spoiler]asguns are still pretty darn powerful for them to be able to take out such a behemoth in 2 seconds

but it does fill in some of the blanks for me. I kinda feel the movie(s) didn't address this adequately or not at all but I'm not sure.

I'm not trying to talk you into reevaluating your opinion of the movie, but keep in mind: the "behemoth" you're referring to is just a spice harvester, essentially just a refinery on legs. Its appearance isn't indicative of its structural fortitude or defense capabilities. It's the same machinery as the giant tank-like harvester that got swallowed by a worm in Part 1.

I think its appearance is chalked up to 3 things: 1) cool gear porn 2) it distinguishes the machinery and equipment of the different Houses, making it visually easier to understand who's doing what 3) its appearance - like a giant, bloated blood-sucking tick - is a visual cue as to who the people are who are operating it and their approach to the ecology of the planet.