Physical & Digital EST: The Future of Home Video Discussion Thread

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I think that I get the "ambient noise" error or somesuch because of my small room size. Firmware is up to date.

I have it unboxed and connected, finally. It's time to dive into the deep (bass) end now.

I've never ever heard of the ambient noise error.

Enjoy going off the deep end. !

[Vilya]

I watched my first movie tonight with my new subwoofer added to the mix. I chose the extended cut of the first movie from

I am not done experimenting with settings and placement yet, but I sure had a grand time of it tonight.

I should have got one of these subs sooner. You just don't know what you are missing until you finally do.

[Steedeel]

I just got this through my letterbox, can’t wait to watch.

See what I did Vilya, first time!

Do I get a A+?

[russweiss1]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I watched my first movie tonight with my new subwoofer added to the mix. I chose the extended cut of the first movie from

I am not done experimenting with settings and placement yet, but I sure had a grand time of it tonight.

I should have got one of these subs sooner. You just don't know what you are missing until you finally do.

Did your neighbors have a grand time as well?

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by russweiss1

Did your neighbors have a grand time as well?

I hope so; I love to share.

They should really enjoy Smaug's company tonight when I watch the second movie in the trilogy.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Vilya

I hope so; I love to share.

They should really enjoy Smaug's company tonight when I watch the second movie in the trilogy.

Hope it doesn’t drag-on.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Hope it doesn’t drag-on.

Boo. Hiss.

Don't quit your day job.

[TreeStandMan151]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

If I were you I would setup the speakers as 5.1.4 and let Audyssey do its thing with the mic placed at your main watch/listen position. Do not try to do a multi point mic position. Make sure to set your main L R speakers as Small no matter they are larger.

Is this advice about setting the L&R speakers as Small only during the Audyssey setup process, or is the suggestion to always have them configured as Small?

(Or perhaps was the suggestion to have the L&R set to Small directed specifically at Vilya due to his comments of having an overall small-ish viewing room?)

Thanks.

[bhampton]

I'm kind of sad today because no UHD BDs are coming in the mail.

On the bright side these 3 are coming tomorrow.



And this one on Wednesday

[Warm Gun]

Zidoo updated the V12 Bluetooth remote firmware. I no longer have to point at the box to turn it off and on.

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by TreeStandMan151

Is this advice about setting the L&R speakers as Small only during the Audyssey setup process, or is the suggestion to always have them configured as Small?

Couple of reasons:

1. Distortion vs size vs output. I/we have measured quite a few 6, 8, 10 & 12 inch drivers. Even some 12's had a fair amount of harmonic distortion at 100 Hz, 85 dB SPL at 1 meter. Price was not a good indicator, some of the expensive drivers had quite a bit more distortion than some fairly inexpensive drivers. Drivers were from: Audax ● Dynaudio ● JBL ● Morel ● Peerless ● Scan-Speak ● Vifa
   
2. Available power. It can take quite a bit of power to drive a speaker to reference level at the listening position. Selecting 100 Hz as the crossover eases the burden on the amplifiers driving LCR speakers which reduces the chance of clipping and distortion.

I have my crossovers set to 100 Hz even tho I have 300 watts available to the left and 300 watts available to the right speaker. The center speaker has > 200 watts available.

If you set your speakers to Large then something like Audyssey may set the crossover to 55 Hz. The program only looks for response. AFAIK none actually checks for distortion (harmonic, IM, etc.).

Loudspeaker and phono cartridge distortion data has been, is and probably continue to be as scarce as hen's teeth.

[bhampton]

I can't actually time travel but I can do things the old fashioned way sometimes.

Like owning videos. Now, some will suggest you don't own movies I understand this but I can own a Blu Ray and it will most likely last me the duration of my life. Similar to CDs they were marketed with a last a lifetime notion.

Marketplaces are changing and greed is driving a lot of the change. I could own a copy of Severance on DVD or I could pay by the minute for access to it on ATV+. Thankfully I'm kind of tired of the show already.

Some folks are familiar with bait and switch and that's not a concept that will go away. iTunes movies you "own" for $4.99 come with terms that can and do change regularly.

I can't keep up with changes and there are some I don't actually approve of. Thankfully I can still make some choices and that's why I buy movies on disc.

Yes, I subscribe to services and even occasionally buy an iTunes movie but this is so that I can give my kids access to the content they would otherwise only have at home.

I consider it easy come easy go I put no faith in it. Greed is taking over everything and art is becoming something that is expensive to have control over.

Physical media may go away .... that would be bad but I thankfully have a lot of it and if that were to happen I would just have a lot more money so there is a silver lining.

Things perpetually change and I'm glad I was on the right side of history for most of it.

[sapiendut]

Has the question about LPF for LFE been answered?

Rule of thumb in audio home theatre calibration:
1. Set all speakers to small
2. Set speakers crossover at the lowest level your speakers can go down to. 80 Hz is recommended for worse case scenario. If your speakers can’t go flat down to 80 Hz, buy a different set of speakers
3. The more all of the speakers being identical, the better the sound envelopment will be
4. Set LPF for LFE at 120 Hz. Make sure you are NOT using the crossover of your sub.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by bhampton

I can't actually time travel but I can do things the old fashioned way sometimes.

Like owning videos. Now, some will suggest you don't own movies I understand this but I can own a Blu Ray and it will most likely last me the duration of my life. Similar to CDs they were marketed with a last a lifetime notion.

Marketplaces are changing and greed is driving a lot of the change. I could own a copy of Severance on DVD or I could pay by the minute for access to it on ATV+. Thankfully I'm kind of tired of the show already.

Some folks are familiar with bait and switch and that's not a concept that will go away. iTunes movies you "own" for $4.99 come with terms that can and do change regularly.

I can't keep up with changes and there are some I don't actually approve of. Thankfully I can still make some choices and that's why I buy movies on disc.

Yes, I subscribe to services and even occasionally buy an iTunes movie but this is so that I can give my kids access to the content they would otherwise only have at home.

I consider it easy come easy go I put no faith in it. Greed is taking over everything and art is becoming something that is expensive to have control over.

Physical media may go away .... that would be bad but I thankfully have a lot of it and if that were to happen I would just have a lot more money so there is a silver lining.

Things perpetually change and I'm glad I was on the right side of history for most of it.

Yeah, I feel a great sense of gratitude that I was around (young though) for the VHS boom, and again for the DVD days, exciting stuff. Then we had the boost of Blu and UHD. Magic.

As a film fan, I will spend the rest of my life seeking ways to enjoy them, film is a huge part of what makes me happy in life.

[bhampton]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

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As a film fan, I will spend the rest of my life seeking ways to enjoy them, film is a huge part of what makes me happy in life.

I remember one summer a local theater had a kids program where you could go to see a lot of the movies they owned on film.

I bet it would be difficult to find a theater with film now.

I'm not actually against digital media specifically but I am for content that can be owned in the sense in which I am used to. For digital content that would be things I can own without crippling DRM.

[Vilya]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

Has the question about LPF for LFE been answered?

Rule of thumb in audio home theatre calibration:
1. Set all speakers to small
2. Set speakers crossover at the lowest level your speakers can go down to. 80 Hz is recommended for worse case scenario. If your speakers can’t go flat down to 80 Hz, buy a different set of speakers
3. The more all of the speakers being identical, the better the sound envelopment will be
4. Set LPF for LFE at 120 Hz. Make sure you are NOT using the crossover of your sub.

It is good to hear from you and thank you for answering the LPF question. I hope that you are doing well.

As to point 1, why set ALL speakers to small?

As to point 4, where do you set the subwoofer's crossover control when you are not using it? I have to turn the knob to somewhere. By setting the speakers crossover in the AVR does that override what the subwoofer crossover is set at? Should they be set the same?

[sapiendut]

I’ll still be in and out of hospital twice a month. Finally they concluded that I have sickle cell anemia. Oh well

As for speakers being small: unless your speakers can actually do a 20 Hz-20kHz +/- 3dB, bass management is needed. Some speakers manufacturers actually recommend you to set the speakers as large, then follow that.

As where to set the sub xover, set it to the max as the LFE filtering is already done by the receiver/processor anyway.

[bhampton]

He knows but ... yes.

You bypass the crossover by setting the filter to max so there is no crossover.

The sub output already has some bass management.

If you did the other thing REL was talking about then you would tune the crossover because your sub would be getting full range signal.

There's really only 2 controls and placement to wrestle with and now that you have experienced the Sub you know it's worth at least some trouble.

My speakers are all set to small but they are in fact small bookshelf speakers so that one is kind of a given.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by sapiendut

I’ll still be in and out of hospital twice a month. Finally they concluded that I have sickle cell anemia. Oh well

As for speakers being small: unless your speakers can actually do a 20 Hz-20kHz +/- 3dB, bass management is needed. Some speakers manufacturers actually recommend you to set the speakers as large, then follow that.

As where to set the sub xover, set it to the max as the LFE filtering is already done by the receiver/processor anyway.

Glad you have a diagnosis. How do you feel about it and how do they treat it?

[sapiendut]

Still tired all the time messing up with my international work because the doctors told me not to go overseas just in case. And besides, I need transfusion and infusion once every 2 weeks making it impossible for me to do my international work which unfortunately 70-80% of my annual income.