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Old 05-23-2025, 02:12 PM   #2221
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They're skipping most sections that are primarily there for gameplay. As for Isaac
[Show spoiler] he's in the preview for ep 7
but for the finale, you'd expect an action sequence, which iis what the gameplay sections are
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Old 05-23-2025, 02:36 PM   #2222
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I would expect that yes for next week. But for the day 2 stuff which is what i think you were talking about, we pretty much got just the stalker building and brief encounters with the wolves and scars.
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I would expect that yes for next week. But for the day 2 stuff which is what i think you were talking about, we pretty much got just the stalker building and brief encounters with the wolves and scars.
I was referring to Day 3. After Nora's death at the end of Day 2, Day 3 primarily is about Ellie's journey to the Aquarium.
[Show spoiler] She gets a boat and makes her way through Seraphie territory, faces more WLFs and an boss battle with a shambler.
All of that is cut and Episod 6 has her approaching the Aquarium
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I wouldn't expect the Shambler this season, which is a bit of a bummer, but I get that they wanted to focus on the Stalkers, and since I'm a fan of the Stalkers, I'm not too torn up. Maybe they just didn't want to focus on too many types at once, especially since the Shamblers are similar to the Bloaters in many regards. Maybe we'll see them next season as the next step in whatever evolution the Cordyceps is taking on, but I'm sure they wouldn't want to upstage the Rat King at all (if such a thing is possible).

I'm definitely curious as to the sequence of events in the finale- if they put the aquarium first and then the Seraphites, or if they reverse it and make it a fight to get back to the theater. I wonder if there's any interaction between the Seraphites and Ellie at all- I think the trailer might be a little misleading- I think the shot of the Seraphite child might be an Isaac flashback (maybe showing the start of the conflict?) both Ellie and Isaac are shown in dark, rainy shots, but the ground the kid is standing on doesn't seem to match the area that Ellie washes up on. There's also that shot of someone in what looks like a Hummer, but I can't tell if it's Abby or Hanrahan. I wouldn't mind a little more backstoty on the start of the conflict.
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Old 05-23-2025, 03:33 PM   #2225
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Havok83, I wouldn't say yet that they've cut those out, because it's still Day 2 in the show. She's returning to the theater at the end of ep 6.
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Havok83, I wouldn't say yet that they've cut those out, because it's still Day 2 in the show. She's returning to the theater at the end of ep 6.
oh good catch and scratch what I said then. Because of the storm and her being alone, I thought it was the Aquarium
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Old 05-26-2025, 01:54 AM   #2227
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This finale episode is bad. Not a strong end to a pretty mediocre second season. Last week’s episode is the only one from season 2 that felt up to the quality of season 1.

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Old 05-26-2025, 02:04 AM   #2228
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Very good episode and a great way to end a very good season 2.
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Old 05-26-2025, 02:37 AM   #2229
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This finale episode is bad. Not a strong end to a pretty mediocre second season. Last week’s episode is the only one from season 2 that felt up to the quality of season 1.
I didnt think it was bad but not liking the changes to Elli's character knowing that they have set up Abby to be the protagonist going forward. In the game it worrked for me bc Ellie was very unlikable and had grown into a monster to the point that I empathized with Abby and saw Ellie as the villan.

On the show, they've really downplayed Ellie's dark side. I thought they'd lean ino it after what happened with Nora, but nope. I don think it was a good choice to have her come across sympathetic as she was the victim in the Owen and Mel scene. In the game, she did something horrible and it was intentional. Here, it felt more like a an unforseen accident

The actress playing Abby did great in that theater scene. She seemed believable as a threat despite not having the physique. The darkness and griit was there which I felt was missing from Ellie

I do feel ths episode was choppy at times. From Isaac's random appearance, the Scars nearly sacrificing Ellie and then quitting bc of another disturbance. I think this episode will hold up better when the third season fills in those gaps and provides the context bc iit would come across weak for those that dont have an idea o fwhats going on
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Old 05-26-2025, 02:59 AM   #2230
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I thought the finale was perfect, and loved the little change they made along the way to the Aquarium. It does sort of represent one action moment in the game, but story wise it does have more important implications for a connection with next season which is fantastic.

I think the season as a whole is nearly perfect. There are only two small changes I would have made:

First, I would have combined the first two episodes into one big episode, and removed Abby's flashback moment. I prefer the idea that we don't know who the WLF are, and we don't know who Abby is before the big moment happens

Next, I would have had Ellie confront Joel about what happened in SLC right after Eugene's death, rather than combining it with the porch scene. While I think those two conversations flow together really well the way they did it in the show, I think you really want some time between Joel's confession and Ellie's willingness to be open to forgiving him. I think you could have kept the part where Joel said he loved her and linked it to his father's words on the porch scene, but Ellie asking what happened in SLC should have been an earlier scene.

Other than those two points, I really have no notes. I have loved this season considerably more than the first season. First season I thought was flawless for the first 5 episodes, but the last 4 didn't quite hit as well as I was hoping. This season has been nearly flawless week after week.

I am really excited for Abby's story. I hope there's a chance it premieres late 2026, but early 2027 might be likely depending on how long it takes them to film. Supposedly filming permits are confirmed starting June 30th. Even if it takes them a full year to film, they'd be finishing filming by next summer, so a fall or December release might be possible.
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Have I ever mentioned how much I love cliffhangers??
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Old 05-26-2025, 03:40 AM   #2232
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The Last of Us Series, Season 2 Episode 7 / Finale

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[Show spoiler]In the season finale episode, Ellie makes one last push to find Abby, is almost killed along the way by the Scars, and fights with and makes up with Jesse, accidentally kills Mel & Owen. She finally gets a confrontation with Abby, and it ends on a massive cliffhanger, with hints we're about to follow Abby's story leading up to this point in the saga.

Day 3 Seattle is highly abbreviated from the game. But we do get some nice additions. However, I did think it was too fast paced for the amount of ground covered. It's not as powerful as I was hoping it would be and I think we could have spent more time with Ellie's trek to the aquarium. Some scenes were really good though and emotionally heavy.

But what this episode did show us is just how far Ellie has fallen, and she knows it. She's had a singular focus on finding and killing Abby, to the exclusion or more pressing concerns, e.g. Dina's health and rescuing Tommy. When Mel asks her to cut the baby out and Ellie doesn't know what to do, she realizes she is helpless and has lost all sense of who she is, and can only sit there and sob.

Later, Ellie admits to Tommy that Abby will get to live, and it will just have to be that way. She has to let it go. To that point, after Jesse is shot she makes the decision to potentially sacrifice herself to Abby, in order to save Tommy and Dina. Unfortunately, we'll have to wait a long time to see how that turns out.

Recall that David (the cannibal), in season 1 Ep 7, said Ellie had a violent heart. And Gail in episode 3 this season implied that Ellie is a psychopath, that it's in her nature, and it can't be changed. We saw how that played out, with Ellie torturing Nora. And Ellie tells Dina she thought it would be hard, but it was actually really easy. Maybe it's good that she realized by the end of the episode that she's turning into an instrument of vengeance, and she doesn't like it. Remember, the day before he died, Joel said that she hopes one day if Ellie has a kid he does a little better than he did. She realizes she's on a path to do worse.

I didn't like how much of a jerk Jesse is to Ellie in this episode. We got a taste of that in episode 5 too when he saved her and Dina but was angry that they came to Seattle. In the game he is sympathetic to their cause. However, it did make for a nice moment at the end when Jesse realizes that, despite her recklessness, Ellie would go to the ends of the Earth to save him if needed, and she replies that she would. I see it as his attempt at an apology for how he’s treated her the past 2 days.

I liked that we got to see some additional Isaac scenes including his plans to attack the Scar/Seraphite island, And he mentions how Abby was missing, and that he's upset about it because he wanted Abby to leave the group after he dies (likely that night, he says). I also liked that we saw Sergeant Park again from episode 5.

The scene with Ellie and Jesse witnessing the wolves attacking a Scar teenager was interesting. Jesse said these people are killing each other and it's not their fight, and they should stay out of this conflict, and this city. Ellie thought they shouldn't have let a kid just die in front of them like that. This probably also a part of why she's so emotional when Mel and her baby die.

I loved the scenes in the storm with Ellie on the skiff. The rain and thunder sounded amazing in my headphones. This was really well done. I also liked they included the giant wave that wipes her out, as in the game.

The scene with Ellie almost being gutted and hanged by the scars was pretty tense and I didn't know how she was going to get out of it. (This is not in the game.) She was saved by the Wolves' attack on the Seraphite island. The warning horn is harrowing and sounds exactly as it does in the game.

The scene with Mel and Owen was pretty powerful, and the addition of Mel pleading will Ellie to cut her baby out was heartbreaking. Bella Ramsey's performance was incredible. I could feel Ellie's sense of helplessness in this situation.

The final scene at the theater with Abby was very well done. Kaitlyn Dever's delivery of the lines "I let you live, I let you live, and you wasted it" cut like a knife. I could feel the ager in her face. This exceeded the delivery of the corresponding lines in the game.

I liked that Ellie was going to have Mel and Owen separately point to where Abby was on a map, a tactic she learned from Joel. But it didn't work out since Owen pulled a gun on her, and when Ellie shot back it killed Owen, and Mel was hit when the bullet passed through him.

I liked the scene with Dina bathing Ellie's back…a very sensual moment.

I liked that Jesse revealed he voted no in episode 3 to send a group of 16 citizens to Seattle to kill Abby. I suspected this based on his reservations in talking about the vote before it took place.





Significant differences from the game:

Dina was not shot with an arrow by the Scars in the game, because she stayed behind on Day 2. But her refusal to drink clues in Jesse she may be pregnant, who tricks Ellie in to confirming that. In the game, he just figures this Dina may be pregnant form her lethargy and asks Ellie if that’s the case (she says yes but don’t tell Dina he knows).

In the episode, Ellie tells Dina what Joel did at the hospital and why Abby wanted to kill him. In the game she never tells Dina this, at least not that we see. We're also not sure in the game if Ellie *ever* find s out that Abby's father was killed by Joel, though in the show Nora told Ellie this outright in episode 5.

As mentioned, Jesse is much nicer to Ellie in the game and wished they would have brought him along in the first place. He is a massive jerk to her in the show and mad that he had to come out to Seattle, to a war zone, to save her and Dina.

Jesse and Ellie do not come across a Seraphite teenager being attacked by Wolves. They have confrontation with infected and Wolves that are primarily gameplay related. It would have been nice if they included the Comics convention center they come across in the game, where Jesse explains to her that comic fans, like Ellie, would gather together. And Ellie says she they were born in the wrong time.

In the game, Norah told Ellie that Abby is at the aquarium. In the show, Ellie has to deduce this, as all Norah manages to say is Ferris wheel (which is at the aquarium).

When Ellie refuses to help Jesse find Tommy, and goes to the aquarium instead, the fight they have is much bigger than it is in the game. They argue about community (Jesse’s says his community is Jackson, Ellie says her was Joel), and what the bigger person should do. In the game, Ellie just tries to convince Jesse that Tommy is probably at the aquarium too, and Jesse is stunned she puts revenge about helping Tommy, but realizes there's no point in arguing with her and simply says, "I really hope you make it."

In the game, we don't find out at this point (Day 3) that Isaac is planning an attack on the Seraphite Island...we don't even know yet that they live on an island. We know Isaac has plans for something big but don't know what. We don't find out yet that Abby is AWOL from the Wolves and that Owen and Mel are missing too.

Ellie does not land on the Scar island (and almost get hanged and gutted) in the game, though apparently this was planned for the game and cut. So now it's in the show.

Ellie's fight with a bloater in an arcade, on the way to the aquarium, is cut entirely. I wish they made the episode 10 minutes longer and kept this in. We've had no infected in episodes 6 & 7.

In the game Tommy found a gold watch to bribe Maria when he returns, fearing her anger at him leaving Jackson. This doesn't happen in the show. Of course in the game Tommy also left for Seattle by himself ahead of Ellie in Dina, in hopes it would stop them from going. Jesse came later, after Dina and Ellie leave, not with Tommy.

In the game, Mel isn't killed by the same bullet that kills Owen. She attacks Ellie with a knife and then Ellie kills her and she dies quickly, no chance to say she’s pregnant. Owen then tells Ellie with his last breath that Mel is pregnant. Ellie is never asked to cut the baby out, never contemplates doing so, and is significantly less emotional about the events. She does not cry, though she struggles to breathe. Tommy finds her quickly so she does not have time to think about it for very long.

Ellie is not attacked by and does not kill the Owen & Mel's dog Alice. They may have cut this out since many gamers did not like having to kill a dog.

In the game, we don't hear a gunshot after Abby says she let them live and Ellie wasted it. It cuts immediately to a flashback of Abby at Salt Lake from the day her father dies. In the show, we hear a gunshot, and it cuts to Abby in the bookstore on Day 1 Seattle (2 days ago), and then we see the massive WLF presence at the Seattle football stadium. We might get the Salt Lake flashback later.

There seemed to be an attempt to imply the Seraphites have more than 1 prophet. Ellie and Jesse see another "Feel her Love" sign and Ellie if there's more than one of them (prophets? signs?). Not sure what she meant, but in the game there's definitely only one prophet.

Ellie's collection of superhero cards is recurring theme in the game, but it was never brought up once the whole season. In the first game, her Savage Starlight comic collection was a recurring theme and that did make it into the show in the first season.



This was a pretty good episode but I think too much happened in too little time. And I worry what show viewers, who haven't played the game, will make of the cliffhanger and cut back to Abby at the football stadium a few days earlier. But I loved how they played "Burden in My Hand" by Soundgarden during the credits. Anyway, the penultimate episode definitely bests this one, but given the narrative structure of the series so far, this was a decent way to end the season.

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What a turd of an ending. Everything happens “just because”. May have worked in the game but in live action its just insulting
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What a turd of an ending. Everything happens “just because”. May have worked in the game but in live action its just insulting
I don't understand your comment. What are you even talking about? I thought it was a fantastic cliffhanger, a great way to tease the next season.
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This finale episode is bad. Not a strong end to a pretty mediocre second season. Last week’s episode is the only one from season 2 that felt up to the quality of season 1.
Is say episode 2 as well. But yea the drop off in quality is actually impressive. It seems the only ones that say otherwise are fans of the game
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Is say episode 2 as well. But yea the drop off in quality is actually impressive. It seems the only ones that say otherwise are fans of the game
I think Season 2 is substantially better than Season 1
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Is say episode 2 as well. But yea the drop off in quality is actually impressive. It seems the only ones that say otherwise are fans of the game
Never played the game.
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I don't understand your comment. What are you even talking about? I thought it was a fantastic cliffhanger.
What i said is pretty straightforward. Everything in this episode, in this season really, happens out of convenience. Nothing feels organic. All felt forced just to be like the game. That cliffhanger was laughable
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I think Season 2 is substantially better than Season 1
Joke of a comment. Not even fans of both seasons would agree
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What i said is pretty straightforward. Everything in this episode, in this season really, happens out of convenience. Nothing feels organic. All felt forced just to be like the game. That cliffhanger was laughable
I still don't understand what you're referring to. Everything feels like it was set up fairly well imo and makes sense. The cliffhanger was fantastic, handled perfectly imo.
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