The PS5 Rant & Frustrations Thread

[_Seth]

Originally Posted by Zivouhr

Yeah, it's a mess on PS Store with the games already owned on disc and linked in my PS4 PS5 library, but in the store, they show up as games I can purchase AGAIN. No warning like, "Hey, you know you already have the disc version of this, right? Do you still want to buy the digital only version too?" At least that would be an alert but it's all up to the gamer to keep track since Sony doesn't pay attention it seems.

That, I can vaguely understand because Sony wouldn't know if I've long ejected the sold the disc, but offering to sell an already purchased digital game is seriously alarming.

[Zivouhr]

Originally Posted by _Seth

That, I can vaguely understand because Sony wouldn't know if I've long ejected the sold the disc, but offering to sell an already purchased digital game is seriously alarming.

Good point.

There are different versions or packs/bundles that don't say "Purchased" in the PS5 store, but show a price to purchase them for games I already own. I wonder if it's when I don't have the game installed directly on the console, but instead on an external drive. I'll have to double check. That sounds disappointing though, yes.

For example, a Hunting game I already own was being offered for 15.99 today in the PS5 store. I don't understand why as I own it and it's installed digitally.

[NARMAK]

Right now, Sony had a 30th Anniversary Sale and the titles are absolute shovel ware garbage. I wish they didn't allow such crap to exist on the platform but ironically its more numerous when they try to charge you even like $0.10/10p to buy. I guess they realised making something Free to Play actually requires a lot more effort to make something people want to play and then keep on top of updates with content & patches.

[Zivouhr]

Originally Posted by NARMAK

Right now, Sony had a 30th Anniversary Sale and the titles are absolute shovel ware garbage. I wish they didn't allow such crap to exist on the platform but ironically its more numerous when they try to charge you even like $0.10/10p to buy. I guess they realised making something Free to Play actually requires a lot more effort to make something people want to play and then keep on top of updates with content & patches.

I tried going through to find something interesting but it's like spending 15 minutes sorting through nothing of interest with some of the lower budget titles and even some of the AAA titles.

There are gems in every pile to find, but there are much better results by checking reviews on youtube than relying on Sony's store. Too often, smaller budget games only offer still screens, and some games, no screens at all.

There are a lot of new games lately that have 30% to 80% 1 star out of 5 stars reviews, which is an indicator of the "shovelware" Sony allows into their store these days.

No more quality control from Sony and I think it all got started with those junk "Jumping Food" and "Pet the Animal" "games". They're not even really games IMO. Too much junk on PS4/5 with extremely low effort developers.

Sony needs better ways to filter it out as the current filters mix it all up.

[NARMAK]

Originally Posted by Zivouhr

I tried going through to find something interesting but it's like spending 15 minutes sorting through nothing of interest with some of the lower budget titles and even some of the AAA titles.

There are gems in every pile to find, but there are much better results by checking reviews on youtube than relying on Sony's store. Too often, smaller budget games only offer still screens, and some games, no screens at all.

There are a lot of new games lately that have 30% to 80% 1 star out of 5 stars reviews, which is an indicator of the "shovelware" Sony allows into their store these days.

No more quality control from Sony and I think it all got started with those junk "Jumping Food" and "Pet the Animal" "games". They're not even really games IMO. Too much junk on PS4/5 with extremely low effort developers.

Sony needs better ways to filter it out as the current filters mix it all up.

Yeah, i literally kept scrolling through junk after junk on multiple rows before a single good title in like the middle showed up. Apparently it kicked off initially around the PS3 era when trophies were introduced and they made these cheap titles for people to "boost" their absolutely non-important trophy status numbers. I think since then mobile junk games exploded and now Sony basically have a load of that crap with trophies included on their store too. I saw an Asphalt racing game for example. Those were mobile only titles for a long time. Probably better ones tbf but still, they are marked up 2-3x higher on consoles for some reason. Despite Sony taking the same cut Google or Apple did on their mobile stores where these titles seel for like 99p.

Outside of that, one thing i think that is still ridiculous is how Sony will bury different editions of games in the store. So you could technically have a Deluxe or DLC packed version on sale for like £4.99 and the regular for £7.99 but they won't make that obvious and afterwards, you sometimes even get locked out if you have redeemed a PS+ version etc. at times

This is why i refuse to believe Sony don't do it on purpose. It tricks consumers into mistakes and spending more money.

[emailking]

I just checked the new games every week. You can sort them.

[heyadol]

Originally Posted by Zivouhr

Good point.

There are different versions or packs/bundles that don't say "Purchased" in the PS5 store, but show a price to purchase them for games I already own. I wonder if it's when I don't have the game installed directly on the console, but instead on an external drive. I'll have to double check. That sounds disappointing though, yes.

For example, a Hunting game I already own was being offered for 15.99 today in the PS5 store. I don't understand why as I own it and it's installed digitally.

Same for GT7. I redeemed the code that came with the console which included PS4 and PS5 versions, but every time I select the game I'm prompted to buy it for ~$10. It's in my purchase history, it's installed and ready to play...like the only reason to buy is to get rid of the stupid prompt buy.

[Zivouhr]

Originally Posted by emailking

I just checked the new games every week. You can sort them.

The filters help when you select higher priced games, but as soon as I select 0.00 to 2.99 price range, regardless of the genre, full game, bundle, premium, etc. filters, it always lumps in the shovelware "Pet the hedgehog" and "Jumping Burger/pizza/sandwich" nonsense games in there with all the AAA or AA games. Sony does that so every game gets a chance at exposure, but doesn't address how Sony has totally let the gates of garbage games flood into the store. Sony has no quality control at all on PS store.

Where is the Nintendo Seal of Approval these days?

Originally Posted by NARMAK

Yeah, i literally kept scrolling through junk after junk on multiple rows before a single good title in like the middle showed up. Apparently it kicked off initially around the PS3 era when trophies were introduced and they made these cheap titles for people to "boost" their absolutely non-important trophy status numbers. I think since then mobile junk games exploded and now Sony basically have a load of that crap with trophies included on their store too. I saw an Asphalt racing game for example. Those were mobile only titles for a long time. Probably better ones tbf but still, they are marked up 2-3x higher on consoles for some reason. Despite Sony taking the same cut Google or Apple did on their mobile stores where these titles seel for like 99p.

Outside of that, one thing i think that is still ridiculous is how Sony will bury different editions of games in the store. So you could technically have a Deluxe or DLC packed version on sale for like £4.99 and the regular for £7.99 but they won't make that obvious and afterwards, you sometimes even get locked out if you have redeemed a PS+ version etc. at times

This is why i refuse to believe Sony don't do it on purpose. It tricks consumers into mistakes and spending more money.

Agreed, plus Sony has no quality control for the games they let onto PS4 and PS5. Anyone with a computer can make something and dump it onto PS4/PS5 as of 2024.

Originally Posted by heyadol

Same for GT7. I redeemed the code that came with the console which included PS4 and PS5 versions, but every time I select the game I'm prompted to buy it for ~$10. It's in my purchase history, it's installed and ready to play...like the only reason to buy is to get rid of the stupid prompt buy.

Thanks. Yeah, it's weird what is going on with stuff like that on the store.

[Zivouhr]

That 30 year anniversary, the Sony themes for the main menu are interesting, but not too practical as they seem to push the icons down compared to their normal positions. I ditched the themes after looking at them for a few minutes.

This was surprising, but I put GTAV PS4 disc into my PS5, which has my game saves in there for it, and it immediately said something about couldn't find the game or app. Please install the external HDD it's installed on BS.

I ejected the disc, then reinserted it and to my surprise, it started installing the game. What the heck is going on with the PS5's prompts and permissions. What a pain in the @ss PS5 can be.

Just imagine you own a disc game and 2 Sony consoles, but Sony was saying "No, you can't install that game as you already have it on your PS4..."

Now PS5, for the Watch Dogs 1 disc will not recognize the disc. It automatically hides that game somewhere so it's inaccessible. Thanks Sony...

[XavierTheaterPotato]

My only recent frustration was that I was trying to reinstall Final Fantasy VII Rebirth a few weeks ago and it needed to install some of the updates. I had to prompt the PS5 more than 5 times to continue the install cause it was failing over and over to continue the update until it was finished.

[Zivouhr]

That sounds frustrating, yes.

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Going through my external HDD 4TB, and deleting games I'll probably never play again that I got digitally on heavy sales. I could "always" redownload them free from the store in the future, until that's no longer possible eventually. Hey, nothing lasts forever.

Strangely, I got "Must update this disc game to play it at all" prompts for Stellar Blade and Gotham Knights each and every time after I connect to PS store through PS5 for even a minute, but for Silent Hill, zero required prompts to play it again even though I deleted the update. Will have to test it out a 2nd time to be sure. Gotham Knights is a WB game, so I don't know why that's forcing an update for my disc version.

Last thing I want is all my saves linked to a disc version that's been updated for something insignificant, but the saves won't work without the GB update. Only time I update a game is when it's a significant improvement or addition.
Frustratingly, Sony forces the update queue download each and every time for recently played games, even though the feature is disabled in the options settings. Where is the Quality control testing at Sony for the settings? Since 2020...

[Zivouhr]

Sony has slightly improved the Playstation Store via PS5 by adding filters for TYPE, so now you can select bundle, game, premium version, etc. I don't ever remember finding that years ago and often would struggle to find the bundles. That was on the PS4 store that had issues too.

They still mix up the prices though. So you could search games under 9.99 and it'll mix in all of the junk games like Jumping Burger in with that, with random prices mixed in as you scroll down under 9.99, which forces the gamer to go through a lot of junk before finding something good.

In other words, slight improvements, but the PS5 store is still a bit of a hassle to discover new games faster without slogging through lots of junk games (Jumping Burger, Pet the Hedgehog, etc).

[NARMAK]

I got a little flak from others about claiming Sony aren't concerned about profit and will raise prices on games sooner than later given the new $80 Nintendo software MSRP and that already seeing hardware price hikes and another software pricing increase at the start of the gen after a mid gen price hike last gen, we now have this nugget from the horses mouth at Sony

https://www.eurogamer.net/sony-will-...ce-changes-too

So yeah, firstly i don't have anything against a subscription service that offers value, but we know from experience so far they're more than happy to jack the price up as they have done without actually providing better value. Especially since online gaming at its most basic function should have always remained free.

[Blu Lemmy]

I don't mind paying 100 a year for a sub.
I'm usually smart and buy PSN cards when on sale, so usually get extra tier for £85 per annum.
I'll take that

[NARMAK]

Originally Posted by Blu Lemmy

I don't mind paying 100 a year for a sub.
I'm usually smart and buy PSN cards when on sale, so usually get extra tier for £85 per annum.
I'll take that

Premium is already at £120 per year. There's no telling how much it will increase to and the other larger question will be whether Sony eventually try to funnel and close down all the reselling sites that get you a discounted price like how they shut the grey market loopholes and other methods one by one.

Personally i don't care for PlayStation Plus that much myself and if free online play was still present which they deliberately removed to force you to pay despite the fact they also force advertising on you constantly they earn ad revenue from and could have kept it entirely free but they obviously like all Corporations are going to pick easy profits.

[Zivouhr]

Originally Posted by NARMAK

I got a little flak from others about claiming Sony aren't concerned about profit and will raise prices on games sooner than later given the new $80 Nintendo software MSRP and that already seeing hardware price hikes and another software pricing increase at the start of the gen after a mid gen price hike last gen, we now have this nugget from the horses mouth at Sony

https://www.eurogamer.net/sony-will-...ce-changes-too

So yeah, firstly i don't have anything against a subscription service that offers value, but we know from experience so far they're more than happy to jack the price up as they have done without actually providing better value. Especially since online gaming at its most basic function should have always remained free.

I think Sony also has to recover from their billions of dollars investment in 12 online multiplayer studios, and that game Concord, so they're tightening their belts and raising prices to counter the losses probably. Or, they'd be doing that either way.

[NARMAK]

Originally Posted by Zivouhr

I think Sony also has to recover from their billions of dollars investment in 12 online multiplayer studios, and that game Concord, so they're tightening their belts and raising prices to counter the losses probably. Or, they'd be doing that either way.

Personally i think price rises are inevitable with inflation being a constant thing, currency fluctuations in multiple markets and so on, but that's 100% made worse for them with their shareholder pressure to make up the losses realised and also perceived from "losing" potential profit based on profit forecasts.

I also think its funny how some business almost really do get to a certain size and do anything and everything to keep competitors out of the industry where they can. Hell, even Google failed getting into gaming, Apple has also changed complete tack in some ways and Amazon are having their own problems. So the incumbent platforms now like Nintendo and PlayStation already have got the top two spots in the console space, MS pulling back and PC now resurgent with STEAM etc. and both Sony and MS releasing there as a neutral platform for further profits.

[Zivouhr]

Rant. Today, wanting to move some digital games to my external HDD, brought up a gray screen on PS5 that took about literally 4 minutes to load up any images of the games. I guess it was loading up all the games but for a fast console, it sure can move extremely slow at times.

Finally, when it all appears, it took about an hour to move all the games selected to my HDD.

What I don't like is the games stored on the HDD are not isolated from getting automatic updates. So if you preferred the older version of a digital game stored on your ext HDD, problem is that unless there's a way to save it separately onto a disconnected HDD, even the games on the storage device get updated with each new update if also installed on the PS5. That stinks. Don't do that until I move it, but no option it seems.

Originally Posted by NARMAK

Personally i think price rises are inevitable with inflation being a constant thing, currency fluctuations in multiple markets and so on, but that's 100% made worse for them with their shareholder pressure to make up the losses realised and also perceived from "losing" potential profit based on profit forecasts.

I also think its funny how some business almost really do get to a certain size and do anything and everything to keep competitors out of the industry where they can. Hell, even Google failed getting into gaming, Apple has also changed complete tack in some ways and Amazon are having their own problems. So the incumbent platforms now like Nintendo and PlayStation already have got the top two spots in the console space, MS pulling back and PC now resurgent with STEAM etc. and both Sony and MS releasing there as a neutral platform for further profits.

Inflation is real, but so is a smaller developer with much less overhead, making a quality game with great graphics and charging much less than the AAA developers who have way more overhead and costs, forced to charge $69.99 and up just to break even if it does well enough.

I'll support more indie and medium team developers when possible, plus the fact there are a lot more of their games than the trickle of AAA developers struggling to get games made since 2020.

The gaming industry has shifted IMO, in favor of smaller developers. Most won't make a lot financially, but some will break through and do really well. Kena from Ember Labs (a small team) was one good example. Really good game that felt like a AAA game, although the story was just okay IMO.

[superpacman]

Originally Posted by Zivouhr

Rant. Today, wanting to move some digital games to my external HDD, brought up a gray screen on PS5 that took about literally 4 minutes to load up any images of the games. I guess it was loading up all the games but for a fast console, it sure can move extremely slow at times.

Finally, when it all appears, it took about an hour to move all the games selected to my HDD..

Interesting, You blame the PS5, but not the HDD.

[NARMAK]

Originally Posted by superpacman

Interesting, You blame the PS5, but not the HDD.

Yeah, unfortunately HDDs are pretty slow shifting stuff around even if its from an NVMe to HDD and vice versa. The moving of games from internal NVMe to the expansion NVMe you install in the consoles much quicker.

The PS6 if it targets Gen 5 at like almost 14-15k read/write might actually be amazing and speedy.