Master and Commander 4K UHD (2003)

[Gummi]

Originally Posted by RocShemp

Um, which of all their products?

Also, not to belittle your advice (thank you, by the way) but customers shouldn't be expected to "correct" deficiencies in the products they purchase via third party solutions. I get using calibration and dynamic volume adjustment software to deal with room issues and even adjust to personal taste, but I should still be able to expect that the movies/music I purchase to look and sound their best in any given format.

The MiniDSP 2x4 HD is the unit you want. Get a measurement microphone with it while you're at it so you can get some bass measurements for your room. The minidsp, along with a mic, will allow you to actually measure and correct bass response in your room, so it's very useful in general for bass. If you can't measure and visually analayze bass response, any sub placement or settings adjustments you might make you're really just doing it blindly.

Of course no one should have to buy a product to fix these filtered soundtracks, nobody wants that. But for whatever reason that is the reality, whether you like it or not. So if you have a real subwoofer that can dig deep and want to actually use it, something like this has unfortunately become a necessity.

[WJWS Channel 13:Amity]

Originally Posted by Eye Candy

I got my M&C digital copy free when I signed up with UltraViolet. M&C has been in my Apple library now for a number of years.


**************** I have run into a problem trying to purchase M&C from Apple with the $4.99 deal. ***********************


When I select "Buy" from the Apple store, I am taken directly into the HD version of M&C in my Apple library to continue watching the HD version.


There is no option to "Upgrade" M&C like what appears with (VUDU) Fandango At Home, where I also have an HD version of M&C.


I even tried to buy this online at the iTunes store using my laptop, and I got a pop-up that said:
"You've already purchased this.
Do you want to download it for free?"


I have opened a Case # with an Apple Advisor about this. (An escalation from online chat to the Senior Team). After the advisor finishes their research, then, if this is not able to be resolved, a Ticket will be Opened for resolution.


I did express my desire to be able to purchase the movie for $4.99, even if the price goes up before this is resolved, and that was acknowledged.

Wouldn’t it purchasing the upgrade through vudu/fandango now solve this issue for you? It’s $5 there as well

[WJWS Channel 13:Amity]

Originally Posted by mrmoviepimp

if i may be humble and say...just be glad you got one in any condition it came in...amazon cancelled my order because it was out of stock now i have to re order it whenever it comes back in stock

Imagine telling someone they should be happy they got a premium item all bent up to h.ll, it’s it’s damaged them it’s actually worse than not getting it at all.

[DaylightsEnd]

Originally Posted by tylerman29

why did this sell out so quickly...they print like 100 copies?....gotta be a restock eventually, not paying scumbag scalpers for this.

They printed 400 copies, and then most folks lazily ordered thru Amazon, virtually assuring that about half or more of those steelbook copies would be lost, mutilated and/or destroyed in the packing and transit process, leaving no replacement sets to be had, and then everyone else automatically getting their pre-orders canceled. Scamazon. So. Much. Win.

[Kylo_Ren]

Risking it and going with Walmart over Orbit looks to have paid off this time. In a shocking turn of events, my copy from Walmart actually arrived this week and in one piece.

I haven't had a chance to open it yet, but it appears to be in decent shape at a first glance.

I really like how the steelbook looks in person.

Can't wait to check out the UHD when I get the chance!

[Vertizontal]

Originally Posted by samlop10

1080p blu-ray vs. 4K blu-ray BL vs. 4K blu-ray BL+DV FEL

VS

https://slow.pics/c/MfAilr7o


.

Happy I didn't cancel my order now. Just have to play the waiting game again, like damn near every other catalog release these days, heh.

[OSHAN]

Originally Posted by Gummi

The MiniDSP 2x4 HD is the unit you want. Get a measurement microphone with it while you're at it so you can get some bass measurements for your room. The minidsp, along with a mic, will allow you to actually measure and correct bass response in your room, so it's very useful in general for bass. If you can't measure and visually analayze bass response, any sub placement or settings adjustments you might make you're really just doing it blindly.

Of course no one should have to buy a product to fix these filtered soundtracks, nobody wants that. But for whatever reason that is the reality, whether you like it or not. So if you have a real subwoofer that can dig deep and want to actually use it, something like this has unfortunately become a necessity.

Not the same product, but I purchased a DSPeaker Anti-Mode 8033 for room correction, and it really opened up my sub. It doesn't have the versatility as a MiniDSP, but tightening up the bass for my room made a world of difference on its own.

Real shame about the audio for M&C.

[MisterXDTV]

Originally Posted by LSK

If the Atmos on the UHD is “just” as good as the DTS, I’ll be happy, but to call the original DTS mix inferior is just insane.

Most people only care about reading "Dolby Atmos" on the receiver's display...

They have no idea what's actually inside that container

As this movie proves, the container doesn't matter at all, good mixing does...

So now we have Laserdisc and DVD tracks that sound better than 22.1 Channels Super Duper remixes.....

[rocknblues81]

This seems like a half assed effort for a premium price with the lack of bonus stuff, 66 gig disc and still present issues of understanding dialogue. Maybe the old Blu is lus the 5 dollar digital will do for this one.

[Bluecow]

Originally Posted by RocShemp

Um, which of all their products?

Also, not to belittle your advice (thank you, by the way) but customers shouldn't be expected to "correct" deficiencies in the products they purchase via third party solutions. I get using calibration and dynamic volume adjustment software to deal with room issues and even adjust to personal taste, but I should still be able to expect that the movies/music I purchase to look and sound their best in any given format.

I totally agree it would be better if the studios would just include the full bass output in the movie, but we have ways to fix it on our own and we don't need remux audio from 20-year old DVD's to do it.

The MiniDSP 2x4 HD or the MiniDSP Flex will work for most people, but if you have more than 4 independent subwoofers, then you might need one of their other products. The 2x4 is older, cheaper, and only has RCA. The Flex is newer, much more expensive, but can be configured with balanced connections.

https://www.minidsp.com/products/min...minidsp-2x4-hd
https://www.minidsp.com/products/minidsp-in-a-box/flex

This AVS Forum thread describes how to do everything.

https://www.avsforum.com/threads/bas...ovies.2995212/

[BrandonJF]

Originally Posted by Kylo_Ren

Risking it and going with Walmart over Orbit looks to have paid off this time. In a shocking turn of events, my copy from Walmart actually arrived this week and in one piece.

Even more shocking, I ordered from Amazon and got it a day early. I don't know what alignment the planets had to be in in order for that to happen.

[Bluecow]

Originally Posted by RobertR

That's fine if you already have a minidsp, but I'm not going to shell out over 300 bucks just to fix one movie. If you want to use another PEQ, it had better also be capable of "stacking" filters. M&C needs a boost of 57.6 dB at 21 Hz using the BEQ numbers. Every other movie that matters to me that I've seen has the superior bass on BD using DTS HDMA, so no limited bit rate. The DTS audio on the M&C DVD sounds very very good.

Bass EQ can benefit nearly every movie. I use it on roughly half of my movie collection because it meaningfully increases the bass in them. Very few discs actually have the full bass response that should have it (i.e. movies that aren't just dialogue-driven dramas/comedies). $300 to meaningfully improve the enjoyment of half my movie collection is well worth it to me. Bigger improvement than a lot of other upgrades you could make.

[BdoUK]

Originally Posted by Gummi

The MiniDSP 2x4 HD is the unit you want. Get a measurement microphone with it while you're at it so you can get some bass measurements for your room. The minidsp, along with a mic, will allow you to actually measure and correct bass response in your room, so it's very useful in general for bass. If you can't measure and visually analayze bass response, any sub placement or settings adjustments you might make you're really just doing it blindly.

Of course no one should have to buy a product to fix these filtered soundtracks, nobody wants that. But for whatever reason that is the reality, whether you like it or not. So if you have a real subwoofer that can dig deep and want to actually use it, something like this has unfortunately become a necessity.

I've got a MiniDSP along with Crowson motion actuators and have been a big fan of what BEQ has brought to my system over the years. That said, there is somewhat of an art to the creation of the BEQ files and some of the best "artists" are no longer creating files. With Master and Commander I tried all three BEQ files from those currently creating them and found them to be fairly unnatural in how they handled the lower end bass response.

Bottom line is BEQ can be great but people often forget there are humans making determinations on how these files are built which may not work well for all use cases.

[moe83]

Why is Disney making these newer releases like Master and Commander and Tombstone almost impossible to buy? They never actually go up for preorder on amazon.ca and they sell out immediately on the US Amazon. And then they’re priced sky high by re-sellers on eBay. They don’t seem to even get restocked. Also no sign of regular non SteelBook releases. I’d love to buy these movies on 4K but I’m not paying $100 to get them off of eBay.

Disney movies in general are priced crazy. Thunderbolts just came out and it’s priced at $55 on amazon.ca while in my local Walmart they’re $34.99, still way more than enough.

I just find one of my favourite hobbies of collecting movies on disc is getting harder and harder on multiple fronts. Between the prices and the scarcity of certain titles it’s frustrating at times. Who agrees?

[RobertR]

Originally Posted by Bluecow

Bass EQ can benefit nearly every movie. I use it on roughly half of my movie collection because it meaningfully increases the bass in them. Very few discs actually have the full bass response that should have it (i.e. movies that aren't just dialogue-driven dramas/comedies). $300 to meaningfully improve the enjoyment of half my movie collection is well worth it to me. Bigger improvement than a lot of other upgrades you could make.

That minidsp works for you is fine, but since I have ARC Genesis, which boosts bass below the frequency I select, paying over 300 bucks is not justified for me.

[RobertR]

Originally Posted by CrimsonG80

You were raining on his party

I was stating objective facts. It's sad that objective reality bothers you so much.

[RobertR]

Originally Posted by LSK

I watched the movie yesterday on my old BD. There is nothing remotely inferior about the soundtrack on that disc

The bass below 30 Hz is objectively inferior to the DVD DTS track.

I recall the audio as fantastic on the DVD

It's indeed fantastic. It holds up very well.

The great thing about the DTS track is that, at all times, essentially every speaker is active in the mix, as it was on the DVD, and every opportunity the sound mixer has to add atmosphere in the mix is utilised. Everything on the ship is creaking, and you hear it at all times in the mix, especially in the surrounds

Agreed. It's a very enjoyable sound mix.

If the Atmos on the UHD is “just” as good as the DTS, I’ll be happy, but to call the original DTS mix inferior is just insane.

Agreed that the original DTS track isn't inferior in any meaningful sense, and is objectively superior below 30 Hz. For those of us with a capable sub, it literally kicks ass, and hearing and feeling that is very enjoyable. And the fact is that those who don't care about sub 30 Hz bass and/or don't have a capable sub wouldn't have been harmed at all if Disney had maintained sub 30 Hz bass. What I don't understand is WHY they are doing this. Would sub 30 Hz bass have harmed sales numbers? No. Is it more expensive to include sub 30 Hz bass during mixing/authoring? No. Is Atmos technically incapable of handling frequencies down to, say, 5 Hz? NO (CD is easily capable of handling that, and it's almost 45 year old technology). As far as I'm concerned, they're being idiot jerks about it.

[RobertR]

Originally Posted by moe83

Why is Disney making these newer releases like Master and Commander and Tombstone almost impossible to buy?

Disney has never really liked the whole concept of people owning a personal copy of their movies. They were a party to the lawsuit against Sony when Betamax came out, and they supported the hated Divx format, which was essentially pay per view. I wish they had never bought Fox, but it is what it is.

[Okiephile]

Originally Posted by RobertR

Disney has never really liked the whole concept of people owning a personal copy of their movies. They were a party to the lawsuit against Sony when Betamax came out, and they supported the hated Divx format, which was essentially pay per view. I wish they had never bought Fox, but it is what it is.

Definitely a conspiracy.

[WhiskeyGnome]

Originally Posted by DaylightsEnd

They printed 400 copies, and then most folks lazily ordered thru Amazon, virtually assuring that about half or more of those steelbook copies would be lost, mutilated and/or destroyed in the packing and transit process, leaving no replacement sets to be had, and then everyone else automatically getting their pre-orders canceled. Scamazon. So. Much. Win.

I've never had worse luck than this season with Amazon. I basically just said no and stopped buying Criterion discs for the moment. Plastic, digi, whatever. Almost all of them were trash.

The cherry on top was the last one that came completely rewrapped in that obvious plastic they do for open damages, and it was also clearly damaged. Like nah man can't do it anymore.