Master and Commander 4K UHD (2003)

[singhcr]

Originally Posted by OlDirty

Opened mine tonight, steelbook was completely crushed and didn't notice. No option for replacement now.

Where did you order it from? Pretty much every place I've ever ordered physical media from DVDs to CDs or even LPs will let you replace an opened title for the same one if it's damaged somehow.

[Eye Candy]

Originally Posted by sherlockjr

So what is the dishonest reason they're not telling you. A group of film mix engineers all over Hollywood who just hate bass?

Seriously?

If not, then what?

Maybe the "what" is that it's not some deep, dark, anti-bass conspiracy at all.

Just more BR.com drama dreamed up by people who sort of remember listening to a DVD on a system with Cerwin-Vega (remember those speakers?) artificially boosted bass and are disappointed when the new home version is a more accurate reproduction of the theatrical release?

People who want to think they know more than the people who seriously worked on creating this release and want to show off they know more. One person says it, then other people pile on without bothering to actually watch the disk either.



Very few home systems, even high quality systems, can reproduce anything below 30Hz. Just as most theatrical systems can't. At home it's pretty iffy between 40-80Hz or so, too. Few people spend the money to get that accurately reproduced--mostly what they get is artificially boosted low-mid bass that they think is deep bass. Actual serious deep bass is cut off to provide more oomph in the low-mid bass because small speakers and underpowered amps just don't have the bandwidth to reproduce it.

Some who invest a lot in quality subwoofers can, of course, go to 30Hz or below. But that's a small minority of home viewers.

Why record real cannon? Because there's plenty of audio information above 30 Hz too that can enhance the realism of the sound that more theatrical systems can reproduce.

You should provide an believable reason that all these brand new 4Ks are deliberately rolling off bass below 30-40Hz other than a desire to screw their customers just for giggles. Because I don't believe that's happening. Else it sounds like it's another Teal conspiracy without actual foundation.

I have a Cambridge Soundworks Bass Cube 8S. It's rated for 39Hz - 200Hz.
I got it after getting my first 5.1 Receiver in 1999.

The Center speaker, the MC 300, runs 80Hz-22KHz. It states in the manual:

The MC300 includes internal high-pass networks that prevent them from responding to low-frequency sounds below their operation range.
For this reason, it is not necessary to use an external signal level crossover to block low frequencies to this speaker.

[accountsareapain]

Originally Posted by captainsolo

an import Australian BD for the original audio.

The Australian BD (I know of) is just Fox and should be literally the same disc as the British BD or the Spanish BD (and the Nordic BD?), and I doubt it has different (or that different) video or English audio encodes than the American BD. Are you sure about this?

[Show spoiler]

[RobertR]

Originally Posted by Midnight_Hour

Why must people twist themselves into pretzels to argue against all logic and reason? It's ok to enjoy mediocre audio in the privacy of your home!

Sure, but it's also sad to deny that it is mediocre!

[sojrner]

Originally Posted by sherlockjr

Yes, you can.

So why would the sound mixers for this 4K disk deliberately "nerf" everything below 30Hz? To what purpose? Nobody's actually given any good reason to do that, so why would they?

At least with the BS teal nonsense people claim they're trying to make the image look more "modern". But nobody's given one rational reason that anyone would "nerf" low bass other than the implication that they want somehow to deliberately screw the customers of these 4Ks for some unknown reason.

The evidence that there's "nerfing" going on? Graphs from unknown sources created with unknown methodology from unknown media all intended to push the "magic" of the BEQ system to "recover" bass that users are--for some unknown reason no one can articulate--being denied.

Color me dubious.

(Speaking of color, I was in Amsterdam last week looking at 17th century Dutch Old Master paintings and several of them were just full of teal. Like an entire teal wash. Unlike what I've read on this forum, it seems that the color teal really did exist before 2010--it was even being used 400 years ago.)

Two simple responses.

First, I thought I was pretty clear in my earlier post that I don't have anything but speculation for why it's happening, however, I can easily hear the problem. It's not just bass, which I was also clear on. No random Internet graphs, just me listening to a disk in my theater room. I made no other claim. The conversation you're having with the other member is in the weeds about the why of it all, and really, I don't care.

Second, if you compress the frequency range in the mix, raise the overall floor, and remove the large swings from quiet to bombastic for a given release, creating a near field (or similar) result, the dynamics are now gone. You cannot return them to "un-compress" it when the data simply isn't there. Any attempt is to make stuff up and guess at what might have been. So no, you can't.

Rock on.

[Old Bones]

Mine was supposed to arrive yesterday but I get this email...........


Your package is on the way but running late. We’re sorry for the delay.

Order delayed

Now expected by August 27

way to go Amazon

[Therion]

Originally Posted by TroubledSpirits

Has anyone’s Movies Unlimited order shipped yet?

Mine hasn't shipped. Ordered from MU immediately after they listed it.

[Driver78]

Just watched this. Rousing film, PQ impressive as I expected.

[Nepenthe]

Originally Posted by accountsareapain

The Australian BD (I know of) is just Fox and should be literally the same disc as the British BD or the Spanish BD (and the Nordic BD?), and I doubt it has different (or that different) video or English audio encodes than the American BD. Are you sure about this?

[Show spoiler]

I could check, but annoyingly I seem to have misplaced my disc and beq is throwing an incomprehensible ffprobe error, so I have some hurdles to overcome…

[biggquis]

Originally Posted by Driver78

Just watched this. Rousing film, PQ impressive as I expected.

How was the bass? Just kidding

[JustinZed]

Originally Posted by JohnCarpenterFan

is it possible that the absent low frequencies from the LFE channel have simply been redistributed to other channels for the UHD?.

Here is a graph with all of the channels. The non-LFE channels start rolling off around 50 Hz, and none of them have the missing low frequencies.

[mpls1981]

Originally Posted by OlDirty

Opened mine tonight, steelbook was completely crushed and didn't notice. No option for replacement now.

Originally Posted by singhcr

Where did you order it from? Pretty much every place I've ever ordered physical media from DVDs to CDs or even LPs will let you replace an opened title for the same one if it's damaged somehow.

It's sold out at most retailers so not option for exchange.

It would cost you, but ebay users sometimes sell empty steelbook cases you could look for a replacement that way. Or if you have a printer, do custom artwork from a website and just put it in a standard case.

[Beckstreaker]

My 4K disc will not read on any player (UB820, PS5, XSX) and it seems the inner ring layer is the culprit. As seen in the attached pic, the bottom half of the ring (between the arrows) has some weird lines in it instead of being a symmetrical circle.

Sent emails to Sony, Disney and WowHD (where I ordered from) but given it's OOS not really holding my breath on a solution beyond getting a refund

Disc Image -

[Show spoiler]

[armus]

In my experience Disney doesn't care. They have (or had) a website where you can do a form submission where you'd specify various details like the # on the spine, but the response is basically "sorry, we don't ever do replacements" so it's all just a waste of time.

Anyway, IMO this release was a disappointment, especially for the price. In general I think it's tough to know how much can be blamed on the encoding/scanning vs. the original source material, but in this case hardly any scenes had a clarity or resolution that seemed higher than a 1K blu ray so whatever they had wasn't anywhere near enough to justify a 4K release.

[LSK]

The shape of the ship in the fog, that Hollom sees at 5:26 is more defined and visible on the BD. The UHD is darker, so that could be a contributing factor, but I find the effect of seeing the ship's shape more effective on the BD. It’s nearly invisible on the UHD. The BD gives the shape a ghostly effect, that’s all but missing on the UHD.

The picture transfer is very good, though, and I prefer the Atmos on this to the DTS. The Atmos brings the dialogue out a little more, without sacrificing the sound effects at all. On the BD I had to turn it down a little more than usual, because the sound effects were so loud, but the dialogue so low. But on the UHD I have to turn it up 4-6 db. But everything sounds better and more organic now. As good as the DTS is, the dialogue is a little too low in that mix, so the Atmos is the one for me. Soundwise, they sound the same, I just find it better balanced on the Atmos.

What a strange decision, though, to include the old BD with the UHD. Probably just to keep the price up a little more.

[RobertR]

Originally Posted by LSK

As good as the DTS is, the dialogue is a little too low in that mix

The extremely simple and obvious solution is to raise the volume to where the dialogue is at a comfortable level. Sure, it will make the loud parts louder, but that just makes those parts more dramatic.

[LSK]

Originally Posted by RobertR

The extremely simple and obvious solution is to raise the volume to where the dialogue is at a comfortable level. Sure, it will make the loud parts louder, but that just makes those parts more dramatic.

No, those parts actually became too annoyingly loud and uncomfortable for me.

[RobertR]

Originally Posted by LSK

No, those parts actually became too annoyingly loud and uncomfortable for me.

So you're saying you prefer reduced dynamic range. This movie always had LOUD and soft parts. That's what dynamic range is.

[mpls1981]

Originally Posted by LSK

No, those parts actually became too annoyingly loud and uncomfortable for me.

Originally Posted by RobertR

So you're saying you prefer reduced dynamic range. This movie always had LOUD and soft parts. That's what dynamic range is.

I had a friend that was exactly like that. She struggled to hear dialogue on some movies, but if the volume got turned up, it would make the action scenes hurtful to her ears. It had nothing to do with not enjoying something, but rather how her hearing was.

[Old Bones]

Just now from Amazon.....
Unfortunately, we are unable to deliver your order. We are sorry for any inconvenience this causes.

When something like this happens, we normally send out a replacement order. In this case, though, a replacement wasn't possible, so we've requested a full refund for your order. You'll see the refund apply to your original payment method within the next few days.

skruuwem Ill stick with the DVD