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Old 08-11-2025, 05:12 AM   #281
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The 3D in the sequel was a massive improvement and is, sadly, far superior to some more recent post-conversions. (See Jurassic World Dominion's 3D. Or, if you ask me, better still, don't.)

I have a bunch of 3D titles lying around that I haven't gotten around to watching, so this weekend I made the effort.
I went from Independence Day: Resurgence to Need for Speed to Wrath of the Titans. And the Titans sequel was easily the worst, only noticeable with CGI heavy sequences and not even live action with CGI. But primarily nearly 90 percent CGI shots. Complete let down.
I know Clash is as flat as a door nail. Don't know what the people are smoking in this thread that say it looks great.

My preferred method for watching 3D is ripping the disc, converting it to a 60fps 4K SBS 2D file and letting the TV split the image. Resolution (I think) is preserved and the smoothing effect is far more natural than letting the TV handle it. No artifacts and it creates the ideal 3D impactful viewing experience when you think about the format. DIY 3D high frame rate method.
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Old 08-11-2025, 08:34 AM   #282
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Wrath has great 3D, surprised you found it so poor.
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Old 08-11-2025, 02:35 PM   #283
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I have a bunch of 3D titles lying around that I haven't gotten around to watching, so this weekend I made the effort.
I went from Independence Day: Resurgence to Need for Speed to Wrath of the Titans. And the Titans sequel was easily the worst, only noticeable with CGI heavy sequences and not even live action with CGI. But primarily nearly 90 percent CGI shots. Complete let down.
I know Clash is as flat as a door nail. Don't know what the people are smoking in this thread that say it looks great.

My preferred method for watching 3D is ripping the disc, converting it to a 60fps 4K SBS 2D file and letting the TV split the image. Resolution (I think) is preserved and the smoothing effect is far more natural than letting the TV handle it. No artifacts and it creates the ideal 3D impactful viewing experience when you think about the format. DIY 3D high frame rate method.
Here's an idea - let's trade bongs: That way, you'll get to enjoy Wrath of the Titans' really nice 3D - and I might see some merit in frame interpolation..!
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Old 08-11-2025, 02:43 PM   #284
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I have a bunch of 3D titles lying around that I haven't gotten around to watching, so this weekend I made the effort.
I went from Independence Day: Resurgence to Need for Speed to Wrath of the Titans. And the Titans sequel was easily the worst, only noticeable with CGI heavy sequences and not even live action with CGI. But primarily nearly 90 percent CGI shots. Complete let down.
I know Clash is as flat as a door nail. Don't know what the people are smoking in this thread that say it looks great.

My preferred method for watching 3D is ripping the disc, converting it to a 60fps 4K SBS 2D file and letting the TV split the image. Resolution (I think) is preserved and the smoothing effect is far more natural than letting the TV handle it. No artifacts and it creates the ideal 3D impactful viewing experience when you think about the format. DIY 3D high frame rate method.
I haven't watched ID Resugence in 3D but the 4K HDR was stunning and from what I have seen, the 3D is even better. Need for Speed 3D isn't spectacular but it is effective kinda like Gravity. I currently run 3D 4K SBS with SVP at 60hz and it's extremely smooth but there are artefacts. So I seriously considered converting one of those movies directly to 4K SBS 60Hz but the software gives me the warning below.
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Any reduction of picture quality will be more obvious on my screen.

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Here's an idea - let's trade bongs: That way, you'll get to enjoy Wrath of the Titans' really nice 3D - and I might see some merit in frame interpolation..!
2D at 60Hz vs 3D at 60Hz, there is a difference. 2D at 60hz looks like a Spanish TeleNovella or HD camcorder video. 3D at 60Hz looks like a window into the screen and is awesome.

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Old 08-11-2025, 08:03 PM   #285
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Here's an idea - let's trade bongs: That way, you'll get to enjoy Wrath of the Titans' really nice 3D - and I might see some merit in frame interpolation..!
Frame interpolation on any 3D TV introduces artifacts and looks soap opera-ish. I'm talking about doing via modern software. No soap opera effect nor artifacts. Topaz is really good at interpolation, although it still applies mild DNR even when enhancements are turned off.

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2D at 60Hz vs 3D at 60Hz, there is a difference. 2D at 60hz looks like a Spanish TeleNovella or HD camcorder video. 3D at 60Hz looks like a window into the screen and is awesome.
Something like what he is talking about. It still looks 24fps but that little help with interpolation (again, not via any 3D tv made from 2015/2016) with modern software. The results are what you always thought about when imagining 3D movies.
Maybe it's an active 3D tv situation, I have yet to watch a 3D movie on an OLED passive panel. Never was a fan of the narrow viewing angle.


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So I seriously considered converting one of those movies directly to 4K SBS 60Hz but the software gives me the warning below.
Yeah, pre-render it/convert it via software as a file, don't let any electronics do the processing.

I believe this youtuber does 4K SBS conversions. He's where I got the idea from:


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Old 08-11-2025, 08:42 PM   #286
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Frame interpolation on any 3D TV introduces artifacts and looks soap opera-ish. I'm talking about doing via modern software. No soap opera effect nor artifacts. Topaz is really good at interpolation, although it still applies mild DNR even when enhancements is turned off.
Frame interpolation will always introduce SOE because that's what high frate video looks like lol. For many of us, the SOE side effect is what makes it look so good with 3D. But it's also what makes many people dislike it for movies because we have been programmed to watch at 24fps. If you are not seeing SOE then the algorithm you are using is either barely interpolating or not interpolating at all. I saw this myself when I was playing around with SVP code. But rather than me wasting time explaining, just read the first sentence of the wiki.

I use SVP with Rife AI interpolation and it's great for 3D, but SVP was designed to work in real time and for best results you need a high spec Nvidia GPU. Rife AI is state of the art interpolation and resulting motion is silky smooth. But even the best engine produces annoying motion artifacts. If you using TVAI with Rife then I'm curious as to which Rife engine model Topaz uses. If not then OK, but either way, no SOE means little or no actual interpolation.

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Old 08-11-2025, 09:26 PM   #287
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Frame interpolation will always introduce SOE because that's what high frate video looks like lol. For many of us, the SOE side effect is what makes it look so good with 3D. But it's also what makes many people dislike it for movies because we have been programmed to watch at 24fps. If you are not seeing SOE then the algorithm you are using is either barely interpolating or not interpolating at all. I saw this myself when I was playing around with SVP code. But rather than me wasting time explaining, just read the first sentence of the wiki.

I use SVP with Rife AI interpolation and it's great for 3D, but SVP was designed to work in real time and for best results you need a high spec Nvidia GPU. Rife AI is state of the art interpolation and resulting motion is silky smooth. But even the best engine produces annoying motion artifacts. If you using TVAI with Rife then I'm curious as to which Rife engine model Topaz uses. If not then OK, but either way, no SOE means little or no actual interpolation.
I don't know about all that. If SVP (whatever it is) is "in real time" processing, then that's already a bad start. Maybe in another 5 years.

I've been using Topaz for the past solid year. Converting 30fps into 60fps looks great and smooth, but not "benny hill-ish/soap opera effect-ish.
I'm definitely preaching pre-rendered processed files vs anything in real time. I'm curious about your GPU/CPU specs though.
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I believe this youtuber does 4K SBS conversions. He's where I got the idea from:

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I believe the YouTuber most-likely gets the trailers unaltered from movie theaters (as I'm assuming he works at one), as theaters play films and trailers at a higher resolution and in 5.1 in standard auditoriums.
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Old 08-11-2025, 09:56 PM   #289
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Here's an idea - let's trade bongs: That way, you'll get to enjoy Wrath of the Titans' really nice 3D - and I might see some merit in frame interpolation..!
Wrath of the Titans has really nice 3D even today?

It's a film that I remember seeing, in 2D, but barely remember anything about, which hasn't inspired me to try it. That and the suspicion that its 3D was praised unduly in its time due to how scuffed the 3D in the prequel was.
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I believe the YouTuber most-likely gets the trailers unaltered from movie theaters (as I'm assuming he works at one), as theaters play films and trailers at a higher resolution and in 5.1 in standard auditoriums.
None of that has to do with why his 3D video are more impactful.
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Wrath of the Titans has really nice 3D even today?

It's a film that I remember seeing, in 2D, but barely remember anything about, which hasn't inspired me to try it. That and the suspicion that its 3D was praised unduly in its time due to how scuffed the 3D in the prequel was.
You've saved me from being carried off in another thread into a discussion about why I detest frame interpolation, along with all flavours of real high frame rate for 2D and 3D (and how that has nothing to do with the "You're just not used to it" argument) all over again. Well, almost.

Yes, Wrath's 3D conversion is very nice, genuinely effective and well-implemented. I say it stands up perfectly well today and definitely recommend it. (I mean, assuming you don't hate the movie itself.)

Seeing as this is the Clash of the Titans thread, it's worth pointing out again that I think its problem isn't that its 3D is "flat" or "weak": It's objectively obnoxious. Its 3D is actively bad, it's clumsy, it's inept and just plain wrong. It's utterly awful. The only way it could be made to look even worse would be via frame interpolation. Ooops, there I go again.

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Am I the only one that closes one eye and the other to see how much depth is being displayed? And focusing on particular objects to determine 3D goodness
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Old 08-12-2025, 03:37 AM   #293
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Nope. I do that too when the 3D is mild
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You've saved me from being carried off in another thread into a discussion about why I detest frame interpolation, along with all flavours of real high frame rate for 2D and 3D (and how that has nothing to do with the "You're just not used to it" argument) all over again. Well, almost.

Yes, Wrath's 3D conversion is very nice, genuinely effective and well-implemented. I say it stands up perfectly well today and definitely recommend it. (I mean, assuming you don't hate the movie itself.)

Seeing as this is the Clash of the Titans thread, it's worth pointing out again that I think its problem isn't that its 3D is "flat" or "weak": It's objectively obnoxious. Its 3D is actively bad, it's clumsy, it's inept and just plain wrong. It's utterly awful. The only way it could be made to look even worse would be via frame interpolation. Ooops, there I go again.
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I was going to ask about motion strobing in the 3D labyrinth sequence, but it looks like my peculiar situation of recalling the first film more than the second came into play again.
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I don't know about all that. If SVP (whatever it is) is "in real time" processing, then that's already a bad start. Maybe in another 5 years.

I've been using Topaz for the past solid year. Converting 30fps into 60fps looks great and smooth, but not "benny hill-ish/soap opera effect-ish.
I'm definitely preaching pre-rendered processed files vs anything in real time. I'm curious about your GPU/CPU specs though.
My GPU is an Nvidia RTX 4080

I've attached a comment from a Topaz forum below. I'm not saying this proves anything. It's just another data point to consider.

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