Armour of God - 88 Films

[Markgway]

Originally Posted by Ken81

Good suggestion, but in a way that doesn't add up either. Because if they simply discussed that it was foul tasting food, there is no reason for Lola to throw up at that moment. She had been eating it ok up till that point

I figured she was only eating it (and not spitting it out) to save face in front of Jackie. But when he says he's not eating it that gives her license to show her true revulsion.

[Ken81]

Originally Posted by Markgway

I figured she was only eating it (and not spitting it out) to save face in front of Jackie. But when he says he's not eating it that gives her license to show her true revulsion.

Yeah, I've tried that route of logic you suggested above in my head before also, but still I can't convince myself that's the explanation Maybe the writers were so clever and created such an illogical scene in order for us watchers to try indefinitely to find logic to a scene that cannot be explained logically lol.

And also, not only Jackie is being dick in this scene. But I even dislike Alan more, as he seems to be an even bigger ahole here. So let's analyze it even more Lola is nice enough to suggest using her sniper rifle experience to protect them the next day. That is doing Alan a favour to help him rescue his girlfriend..ok. So she eats this foul tasting bean curd that is supposed to be expired, if we go for that logic. So Alan takes a bite, and he notices there's something wrong. And she is still eating it. A normal decent person would tell her to stop eating immediately. Instead he just peeks at her eating, then stands up saying to Jackie that the thing taste bad/expired.. And after getting the confirmation from Jackie, he just peeks back at Lola and then..walks away! What an ahole..and thats after she offered to help the guy

[Markgway]

Originally Posted by Ken81

Yeah, I've tried that route of logic you suggested above in my head before also, but still I can't convince myself that's the explanation Maybe the writers were so clever and created such an illogical scene in order for us watchers to try indefinitely to find logic to a scene that cannot be explained logically lol.

And also, not only Jackie is being dick in this scene. But I even dislike Alan more, as he seems to be an even bigger ahole here. So let's analyze it even more Lola is nice enough to suggest using her sniper rifle experience to protect them the next day. That is doing Alan a favour to help him rescue his girlfriend..ok. So she eats this foul tasting bean curd that is supposed to be expired, if we go for that logic. So Alan takes a bite, and he notices there's something wrong. And she is still eating it. A normal decent person would tell her to stop eating immediately. Instead he just peeks at her eating, then stands up saying to Jackie that the thing taste bad/expired.. And after getting the confirmation from Jackie, he just peeks back at Lola and then..walks away! What an ahole..and thats after she offered to help the guy

[Ken81]

Originally Posted by Markgway

[Markgway]

[Telemachus]

This film has grown on me lately, I like it a lot now

[WaverBoy]

Originally Posted by vinncent

The day we can figure out hong kong humor will be a great one.....Actually the only thing that ruins most of the HK films is the totally out of place humor.

Nah, doesn’t ruin them at all, love goofy silly HK comedic bits

[vinncent]

Originally Posted by WaverBoy

Nah, doesn’t ruin them at all, love goofy silly HK comedic bits

Yes in comedys yes...but in CAtIII movies...big no no

[WaverBoy]

Originally Posted by vinncent

Yes in comedys yes...but in CAtIII movies...big no no

Depends on the Cat III movie

[russweiss1]

I can enjoy comedy in any film but a lot of the HK movies tend to get too silly IMO.

[Kontrarian]

Originally Posted by AnimalCMan

Oh wow, I hadn’t realized. I always assumed they used the same remaster as Mediumrare, but yeah there’s a clear difference between the two. Extra glad I upgraded to the 88 one already.

The Shout! Factory release uses the same master as the old Mediumrare BD.

The new German UHD from Nameless Media uses the same master as the 88 Films BD.

See comparisons here: https://slow.pics/c/QITiWuYJ?image-fit=contain

[Kontrarian]

And the German UHD listing on this site has the wrong audio information.

Uncut:

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[r32]

Originally Posted by Kontrarian

And the German UHD listing on this site has the wrong audio information.

Uncut:

PLAYLIST REPORT:

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MPEG-H HEVC Video       74504 kbps          2160p / 24 fps / 16:9 / Main 10 @ Level 5.1 @ High / 10 bits / HDR10 / BT.2020

AUDIO:

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DTS Audio                       Chinese         768 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz /   768 kbps / 16-bit
DTS Audio                       English         768 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz /   768 kbps / 16-bit
DTS Audio                       English         768 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz /   768 kbps / 16-bit
DTS Audio                       English         768 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz /   768 kbps / 16-bit
DTS Audio                       English         768 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz /   768 kbps / 16-bit

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VIDEO:

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MPEG-4 AVC Video        25496 kbps          1080p / 24 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
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DTS-HD Master Audio             German          1587 kbps       2.0 / 48 kHz /  1587 kbps / 16-bit (DTS Core: 2.0 / 48 kHz /  1509 kbps / 16-bit)

I only finished watching part 1, the site is correct.

[foxphin]

Originally Posted by r32

I only finished watching part 1, the site is correct.

It's forced German sub?

[JohngPR]

I've always loved Jackie Chan's movies since I was a kid and only discovered all these JC bluray/4K releases this year, so I've been grabbing them little by little and watching them in order of release and finally got to one of my favorites...this one!

Believe it or not, I read through this thread throughout the week and it was a wealth of information! My first experience with this movie is the US release with Jackie dubbing himself so this is actually the first time I've seen the HK cut.

Not to channel the "Chinese butter" convo, but I found the scene at the end where Jackie goes to rescue Alan and Laura and acts like he's going to leave Alan behind confusing. I think Jackie comes off like a dick here compared to the US version.

In the US version, they play it off like Jackie was testing Alan to see if he truly loved her, and once Alan was willing to sacrifice himself and stay behind, Jackie gives up the facade of being a dick and continues on.

In the HK Cut you kind of get mixed signals. It seems as though Jackie does mean it and genuinely wants to leave Alan behind and rescue only Laura, but admits defeat in the love triangle (which they really didn't do enough work to make it feel like it was STILL a love triangle in the present tense), and rescues Alan as well.

I say mixed signals because Jackie is grinning behind their back during it so although it seems genuine that he wants to leave Alan behind, I can't quite get a grasp on whether or not he's just messing with him in the HK cut as well. The ending dialogue in this scene when he says, "He's the hero so I have no choice but to play the villain" makes it feel like he was genuinely thinking of leaving Alan, which is a weird turn IMO.

Anyway, this is a great movie and I watched it in full Cantonese the first time and followed it up with the Hybrid version, and I really enjoyed the Hybrid track. I thought that perhaps having someone speak in English and have someone respond in Cantonese would make for an awkward way to watch but it starts feeling natural as you go.

It probably helps that the Western actors weren't speaking Cantonese anyway so it's not like the lips matched their dialogue to begin with. :P

[JohngPR]

Originally Posted by Kontrarian

The Shout! Factory release uses the same master as the old Mediumrare BD.

The new German UHD from Nameless Media uses the same master as the 88 Films BD.

See comparisons here: https://slow.pics/c/QITiWuYJ?image-fit=contain

I had no idea there was a UHD release! Anyone know if there's a chance that this will eventually come from 88 Films?

[navydavey]

Originally Posted by JohngPR

I had no idea there was a UHD release! Anyone know if there's a chance that this will eventually come from 88 Films?

I'd say chances are high upon high.

[RossyG]

Originally Posted by JohngPR

I had no idea there was a UHD release! Anyone know if there's a chance that this will eventually come from 88 Films?

Almost certainly.

[cooey]

Originally Posted by JohngPR

I had no idea there was a UHD release! Anyone know if there's a chance that this will eventually come from 88 Films?

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=387155

[Alexcap]

it is they are doing the same thing they did for the blu-ray release of armour of god 2 they released the 2nd one first and the first one second so they are doing the same thing with the 4K UHD release of the 1st one by releasing it 2nd.