Uncharted 2 multiplayer beta/demo discussion/feedback thread! - Page 4 - Blu-ray Forum

Luis_A51 · 09-21-2009, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by alanlad

Am I the only person who doesn’t get the logic of Uncharted 2 multiplayer??

How the hell are you rewarded for being a good player by giving you access to boosters
That allow you to kill beginner players at ease??

I've lost count of the numbers of times I've crept up on a guy, showered him with bullets,
Only for him to turn around and kill me with two shots and that bloody "Running theIrons" booster??

Also, in a randon death match, sometimes it puts up a bunch of amatures against a
Bunch of people in their twenties? Aboslutely pointless.

When the real version launches, are we going to have the same set up?
Cos if so, it's bloody ridicolius!

Rant over! :-)

this is extremely common in shooters now
I blame COD4 for this nonsense

but it doesnt ruin the experience

HomeTheaterVirgin · 09-21-2009, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by alanlad

Hi guys, OP here.

thanks for all the feedback, but noone has said anything that has changed my mind,
even the subjective "op is whining" comment didnt work!. ;-)

The fact remains that the logic of boosters and rewarding more experienced players with them is a load of crap. If you applied that logic to sport, lets say that because Tiger woods is the number one Golfer, he should be rewarded with the abilty to move his ball 50 yards closer to the green, while a rank amatuer plays as normal.

Also, some people here dont seem to have grasped the concept of "learning". You dont teach somebody to play Basketball by making them play one on one versus Kobe Bryant! You dont teacha student piano by giving them Beethoven from lesson one and expoecting them to "learn" from consistently failing!!

A properly desiigned game would allow you to have some sucess, but also continue to provide a lasting challenge. E.G. Fifia 09, which lets you enter a lobby with players of your own skill rating. Anyone can be an "expert" at any game if you spend 6 hours a day on it, but for the average person, it's simply no fun to keep logging in and geting owned.

Mental.

So you want something like the new MW2 game were it rewards you for dieing 4 times in a row they give you boosted health ,Now that is what I feal is dumb no game in my opinion is so hard were you can not get in there any do damge,Take cod for instance yea that guy might have a 50cal sitting on the roof at level 55.As Im there with a mp5 level 6 I can find a way to run up on him and spray him down.Like any game you just need to adapt and find your Mojo because in reality most of the good stuff is usually at lower levels.Im using cod as a example just because Im not familiar with all the boosters I dont think I have any and I go 18-4.

Maybe the game just isnt for you,Shoot I cant swim so what do I do I stay my @$$ out the pool.

1blufan · 09-21-2009, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by alanlad

Hi guys, OP here.

thanks for all the feedback, but noone has said anything that has changed my mind,
even the subjective "op is whining" comment didnt work!. ;-)

The fact remains that the logic of boosters and rewarding more experienced players with them is a load of crap. If you applied that logic to sport, lets say that because Tiger woods is the number one Golfer, he should be rewarded with the abilty to move his ball 50 yards closer to the green, while a rank amatuer plays as normal.

Also, some people here dont seem to have grasped the concept of "learning". You dont teach somebody to play Basketball by making them play one on one versus Kobe Bryant! You dont teacha student piano by giving them Beethoven from lesson one and expoecting them to "learn" from consistently failing!!

A properly desiigned game would allow you to have some sucess, but also continue to provide a lasting challenge. E.G. Fifia 09, which lets you enter a lobby with players of your own skill rating. Anyone can be an "expert" at any game if you spend 6 hours a day on it, but for the average person, it's simply no fun to keep logging in and geting owned.

Mental.

I can see your point. But I can't really recall a game that doesn't reward you for playing well, by upgrading your weapons or boosters/perks.
Call of Duty you have to build up to get certain guns and perks, so I don't see much of a difference between the two.
The nice thing is when the game comes out everyone will reset, everyone will begin at a level playing field.

Illest Villain · 09-21-2009, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 1blufan

Also this isn't so much a run and gun game, you have to watch out running behind someone becuse if you don't get the fisticuff then it becomes who can hit who twice and get the kill.

That's what I like about these maps, there isn't a safe spot where you can just shoot all day without worrying about somebody behind killing you, teamwork will help you be protected.

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Originally Posted by 1blufan

There's only a few complaints I have with the multiplayer deathmatch. The respawning of opposing team players behind you. Example is Ice Cave, I was at the south end(the side with the two walls that people climb up to snipe) I was just up at the cover spot just before the entry way to the lower level, a player came down the center area and I killed him/her. 10-15 seconds later he shoots me from behind. Not only was it him it was two other players as well.

I've been having the same issues as well.

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Originally Posted by 1blufan

One last complaint, and this isn't about the game but the players. I'm finding that I'm enjoying playing with people across the pond more than people in the states. The guys here in the states for the most part are alright but I get more of them that are just a-holes. Trash talking and having no fun it seems, almost like leveling up is their job. I was playing one game and this group of idiots(all buddied up and levels 30 and above) played against myself(lvl 13 at the time) and a group of 3-9 lvl's. During the game they're saying go back to Call of Duty you pus**es, and then they began to call me a N****r, yes the N-word. First off I'm not black, the guys saying this and my teammates weren't either. I have never played with a over seas player who's called someone a N****r. Is this just our American ignorance or what.

It's happened to me a couple times. Once, a guy came shooting at me and I knew I was going to die so I just threw a bomb at him (he was right next to me) and after he was blown up, said "Kill me with a gun like a real man". He was doing a bit of smack talk before but that was really unnecessary and stupid. There was some guy on my team who called some of the opposing players n****** after being killed.

Sponge-worthy · 09-21-2009, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by alanlad

Hi guys, OP here.

thanks for all the feedback, but noone has said anything that has changed my mind,
even the subjective "op is whining" comment didnt work!. ;-)

The fact remains that the logic of boosters and rewarding more experienced players with them is a load of crap. If you applied that logic to sport, lets say that because Tiger woods is the number one Golfer, he should be rewarded with the abilty to move his ball 50 yards closer to the green, while a rank amatuer plays as normal.

I see what you're saying, but to flip your analogy: Tiger woods is the number one golfer in golf--as such he gets the most money, best endorsements, most expensive gear, nicest clothes, most comfortable underwear, etc.--all of which is likely to continue to improve his game--whilst lower-ranked players may not be so fortunate.

The idea of boosters, unlockables, etc. in these console shooters is to provide players an incentive to keep coming back. Whether it be player-stat-boosters, better guns, or whatever, unlockable items are really the only way to provide a progressive experience to players in a multiplayer shooter since the maps just repeat and there is no story to speak of.

Also, there's the idea that as all players gain experience, the enhancements they unlock will just cancel each other out. True, new players may have to struggle a bit, and I think you have some legitimate concern here: particularly for the games that have long-lasting appeal--where some new players may come in a year or better after many players have become very experienced. It seems like MW2 is going to have some perks that will actually provide a boon for newbies, and I'm curious to see how that will work out.

Elandyll · 09-21-2009, 05:12 PM

Only thing I can tell the OP is this (and I don't play the MP beta).

The MP beta is probably filled right now with experienced TPS/ FPS clan players, who want to get a feel of the MP dynamic in U2.

The U2 Mutliplayer experience, when the game releases, will not be in a vacuum (like the demo) though. You will likely go first through the single player experience, which is the one intended to teach you all the base mechanics you will need to use.
After that, you will have matches with plenty of experienced, but also inexperienced, players.
Personally, I don't see the point of those demo/ multiplayer beta for the inexperienced FPS/ TPS players who just wants a taste of the game. It would rather disgust than thrill in my experience, which is why I haven't even really tried to get in. The game will be here soon enough (less than a month now), and I will have a fresh and brand new experience, the way it is meant to be, wherehas the frantic MP players will not have the same feel (on the other hand, they will have experienced the game in its MP form earlier).

Imo, the MP beta/demos aren't for everyone, that is all

ras752000 · 09-21-2009, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 1blufan

I can see your point. But I can't really recall a game that doesn't reward you for playing well, by upgrading your weapons or boosters/perks.
Call of Duty you have to build up to get certain guns and perks, so I don't see much of a difference between the two.
The nice thing is when the game comes out everyone will reset, everyone will begin at a level playing field.

In COD (and most likely UN2) you don't even have to be good . . . just play and you'll rank up . . . more slowly than a good player, but you'll get there . . .
Prestige helps level things out if players go that route . . .

Maximus · 09-21-2009, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alanlad

Hi guys, OP here.

thanks for all the feedback, but noone has said anything that has changed my mind,
even the subjective "op is whining" comment didnt work!. ;-)

The fact remains that the logic of boosters and rewarding more experienced players with them is a load of crap. If you applied that logic to sport, lets say that because Tiger woods is the number one Golfer, he should be rewarded with the abilty to move his ball 50 yards closer to the green, while a rank amatuer plays as normal.

Also, some people here dont seem to have grasped the concept of "learning". You dont teach somebody to play Basketball by making them play one on one versus Kobe Bryant! You dont teacha student piano by giving them Beethoven from lesson one and expoecting them to "learn" from consistently failing!!

A properly desiigned game would allow you to have some sucess, but also continue to provide a lasting challenge. E.G. Fifia 09, which lets you enter a lobby with players of your own skill rating. Anyone can be an "expert" at any game if you spend 6 hours a day on it, but for the average person, it's simply no fun to keep logging in and geting owned.

Mental.

I'm quite sure the final version of the game includes a matchmaking feature which will automatically put you into a game with people of the same/similar skill level.

It avoids noob frustration and makes sure advanced players don't get easy kills...

So don't worry too much.

Anyway, I'll see if I can find out if the matchmaking made the retail release or if it will be in a day zero patch...

Maximus · 09-21-2009, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Elandyll

Only thing I can tell the OP is this (and I don't play the MP beta).

The MP beta is probably filled right now with experienced TPS/ FPS clan players, who want to get a feel of the MP dynamic in U2.

The U2 Mutliplayer experience, when the game releases, will not be in a vacuum (like the demo) though. You will likely go first through the single player experience, which is the one intended to teach you all the base mechanics you will need to use.
After that, you will have matches with plenty of experienced, but also inexperienced, players.
Personally, I don't see the point of those demo/ multiplayer beta for the inexperienced FPS/ TPS players who just wants a taste of the game. It would rather disgust than thrill in my experience, which is why I haven't even really tried to get in. The game will be here soon enough (less than a month now), and I will have a fresh and brand new experience, the way it is meant to be, wherehas the frantic MP players will not have the same feel (on the other hand, they will have experienced the game in its MP form earlier).

Imo, the MP beta/demos aren't for everyone, that is all

Definitely a good point, currently the easiest way to get into the demo/beta is to pre-order it. Only hardcore gamers really bother with that kind of stuff which means the player skill level is much higher than it will be for the retail release.

1blufan · 09-21-2009, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ras752000

In COD (and most likely UN2) you don't even have to be good . . . just play and you'll rank up . . . more slowly than a good player, but you'll get there . . .
Prestige helps level things out if players go that route . . .

I agree. I was able to jump to level 3 in Uncharted 2 in one game. I will say I was familiar, as I'm sure like the others, with the Village and Square map because of the earlier beta.
I got my ass kicked in Ice Caves at first, but now that I know the map, like Temple it's easier and more enjoyable to play.

So yes play the Game(It is just a game after all) and have fun. You will get better.

Sponge-worthy · 09-21-2009, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

I'm quite sure the final version of the game includes a matchmaking feature which will automatically put you into a game with people of the same/similar skill level.

It avoids noob frustration and makes sure advanced players don't get easy kills...

So don't worry too much.

Anyway, I'll see if I can find out if the matchmaking made the retail release or if it will be in a day zero patch...

Sounds cool. The game seems to try to skill-balance incoming players somewhat, but it can get a bit lop-sided when some players are partied-up.

1blufan · 09-21-2009, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ryan69969

Sounds cool. The game seems to try to skill-balance incoming players somewhat, but it can get a bit lop-sided when some players are partied-up.

I've played several games with low ranking players(lvl 7,8,9) who schooled players in their 30's. You have to get to know the maps, and once you do, it does level the playing field considerably.

Shin-Ra said it wisely. " Learn from your mistakes", don't go out and do the same thing again if it didn't work for you the first time.
After being killed several times with the pistole in the sniper pistole match, I figured out when moving switch to pistole for close kills, but when away from the action use your sniper. I tried killing people in close range with the sniper rifle and failed miserably. They would one shot kill me with the pistole. You'll notice in Ice Caves during that type of match everyone will be running around with the pistole, so people are adapting, you just have to do it also.

Bageara · 09-21-2009, 05:46 PM

Anyone else find it absolutley hilarious pulling people off a ledge? or the opposite extremely satisfying to kick someone whose climbing up a ledge....get down!! Ha!! i dont think i will ever get bored of it

1blufan · 09-21-2009, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by jinzo1975

Anyone else find absolutley hilarious pulling people off a ledge? or the opposite extremely satisfying to kick someone whose climbing up a ledge....get down!! Ha!! i dont think i will ever get bored of it

Love it !!!

What's even funnier is when the person is on a mic and you hear them say " Oh sh** ". Or you get the player who see's you and they don't know what to do with the risk of getting pulled off.
Do I try to kick them ?
Do I try to shoot them ?
Do I run off ?

I myself will run off and come back behind them and take them out.

Bageara · 09-21-2009, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by 1blufan

Love it !!!

What's even funnier is when the person is on a mic and you hear them say " Oh sh** ". Or you get the player who see's you and they don't know what to do with the risk of getting pulled off.
Do I try to kick them ?
Do I try to shoot them ?
Do I run off ?

I myself will run off and come back behind them and take them out.

"oh sh*t!" haha, yeah coz when it happens to me i get a bit of a fright, i hate getting pulled off a ledge, thats why when you do get the kick off its so satisfying.

Richie-Kun · 09-21-2009, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jinzo1975

Anyone else find it absolutley hilarious pulling people off a ledge? or the opposite extremely satisfying to kick someone whose climbing up a ledge....get down!! Ha!! i dont think i will ever get bored of it

lol, yea I find it hilarious when I kick someone who is climbing up a ledge, sadly I was able to do it once tho. As for the pulling people off a ledge one, I don't find it hilarious, mainly because i'm usually the one who gets pulled in to my death, haha.

Matt S · 09-21-2009, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 1blufan

Some people have no life, and this is the only way they can feel good about themself.

See, I dont get that attitude....One of my friends (pimp!!!!) has a 50 already and just about every match we win ends with guys going and make comments like 'get a life' and I'm like: your insulting a guy that is good and loves the game! What the heck is wrong with that? I think its awesome!

Anyway, the issue with Matching has a lot to do with the small amt of people on the Beta. Ive seen no more than 2000 at at time...so there is less people to match...If millions buy the game, that will be a much larger group to match...

DaMexiRican · 09-21-2009, 06:26 PM

If the MP for this game is too challenging for you, move on to something else.

Petra_Kalbrain · 09-21-2009, 08:50 PM

With regards to the level matching of players....

Everyone has to remember that there are only a few thousand people at most playing this demo at any given time right now. I'm sure there isn't much for the system to work with given the short window of matchmaking opportunity. Thus, the system will be putting anyone it can find in those "Finding Player" slots.

Be certain that with the release of the open demo on Sept 29th, that level matching issue will definitely become more noticeable with 300,000+ players online all at once.

Monkey · 09-21-2009, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Bageara

Anyone else find it absolutley hilarious pulling people off a ledge? or the opposite extremely satisfying to kick someone whose climbing up a ledge....get down!! Ha!! i dont think i will ever get bored of it

What, you can kick people down?

Was this in the first beta? I never saw that happen once but I did pull people down quite a bit.

09-21-2009, 05:46 PM	#73
Bageara Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Apr 2008 Location:Newcastle UK PSN:Bageara Blu-ray collection:162 Trading Score:4	Anyone else find it absolutley hilarious pulling people off a ledge? or the opposite extremely satisfying to kick someone whose climbing up a ledge....get down!! Ha!! i dont think i will ever get bored of it Last edited by Bageara; 09-21-2009 at 05:50 PM.

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Elandyll Blu-ray Knight Member since:Aug 2007 Location:MD Blu-ray collection:188 Trading Score:1	Only thing I can tell the OP is this (and I don't play the MP beta). The MP beta is probably filled right now with experienced TPS/ FPS clan players, who want to get a feel of the MP dynamic in U2. The U2 Mutliplayer experience, when the game releases, will not be in a vacuum (like the demo) though. You will likely go first through the single player experience, which is the one intended to teach you all the base mechanics you will need to use. After that, you will have matches with plenty of experienced, but also inexperienced, players. Personally, I don't see the point of those demo/ multiplayer beta for the inexperienced FPS/ TPS players who just wants a taste of the game. It would rather disgust than thrill in my experience, which is why I haven't even really tried to get in. The game will be here soon enough (less than a month now), and I will have a fresh and brand new experience, the way it is meant to be, wherehas the frantic MP players will not have the same feel (on the other hand, they will have experienced the game in its MP form earlier). Imo, the MP beta/demos aren't for everyone, that is all

09-21-2009, 06:26 PM	#78
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09-21-2009, 08:50 PM	#79
Petra_Kalbrain Blu-ray Archduke Top contributor Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Vancouver, BC 4K collection:5 Blu-ray collection:561 Blu-ray reviews:3 Trading Score:20	With regards to the level matching of players.... Everyone has to remember that there are only a few thousand people at most playing this demo at any given time right now. I'm sure there isn't much for the system to work with given the short window of matchmaking opportunity. Thus, the system will be putting anyone it can find in those "Finding Player" slots. Be certain that with the release of the open demo on Sept 29th, that level matching issue will definitely become more noticeable with 300,000+ players online all at once.

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