The Batman Part II (2027)

[DThompson]

Tommy Lee Jones was like the only really campy thing in it. Which is funny considering what he said to Jim Carrey.

[Kylo_Ren]

Originally Posted by Kylo Ren

The minute Batman becomes goofy and campy is the minute I'm walking out of the theater.

I would not worry too much if I were you.

Batman has not been goofy or campy in a long time.

I think we are well past that point.

[Zivouhr]

I always saw Batman Forever's Poison Ivy, the very over the top Riddler by Carrey, and Tom Jones as Two Face as very over the top and cartoony compared to the prior 2 Keaton films. Penguin DeVito was over the top too, but the atmosphere was more dark and gloomy.

Batman & Robin, very over the top live-action cartoonish movie, but if looked at in the style of Adam West's 60's era Batman, a fun movie in that way. I didn't go see it in theaters back then as it looked too cheesy for the Batman style I was hoping for.

[qb2333]

Originally Posted by Zivouhr

I always saw Batman Forever's Poison Ivy, the very over the top Riddler by Carrey, and Tom Jones as Two Face as very over the top and cartoony compared to the prior 2 Keaton films. Penguin DeVito was over the top too, but the atmosphere was more dark and gloomy.

Batman & Robin, very over the top live-action cartoonish movie, but if looked at in the style of Adam West's 60's era Batman, a fun movie in that way. I didn't go see it in theaters back then as it looked too cheesy for the Batman style I was hoping for.

I think losing Tim Burton had something to do with the loss of dark atmosphere and cheesy films that followed.

[Zivouhr]

Originally Posted by qb2333

I think losing Tim Burton had something to do with the loss of dark atmosphere and cheesy films that followed.

Very much as Joel Schulmacher (spelling?) took over and WB wanted something more light hearted for families, after McDonald's gave them trouble for releasing kids meals of a very grim and violent Batman Returns movie. What a turn of events there I remember after they dumped Tim Burton. Keaton went with him, not agreeing to the lighter tone of Batman Forever. I think he would've been good in it but oh well.

Keaton Batman in The Flash was a good farewell for his character I'll say.

[Mecha42]

Originally Posted by GarbageGoober

Some of these takes on Batman are *chef's kiss* especially coming from people who are obviously fans of Batman in cinema and not necessarily Batman in general.

This. Batman has been around for decades and has been all sorts of tones, styles, etc. You can have your own preferences but there's very little they could do that wouldn't "fit" the character. This is also why the "Batman doesn't kill" debate is so pointless.

[drb999]

Gunn’s Batman is one that goes up against guys like Clayface and Dr. Phosphorus. Reeves will go up against more grounded villains like Riddler and Panguin. That’s the main difference I see happening.

[moreorless]

Originally Posted by pjl69

Just the opposite for me. Batman & Robin was unintentionally funny, at least the first half of it, which is quite rare for big budget Hollywood productions and I enjoyed it. And it's always a treat to see Arnold making fool of himself. Then again intentional camp, like Toxic Avengers or Sharknados don't impress me much. Too much self-conscious calculation involved.

I would say intentional camp has become somewhat the domain of low budget/effort cinema though, you do get some of it thought into say the MCU but films like say Flash Gordon don't tend to get made much anymore.

The Reeves Batman personally I think got its tone/setting spot on for a "serious" version of the character. Its elevated just enough that you can accept a man dressing as a Bat as something which whilst viewed as out of the ordinary isnt just silly.

It does actually make Gothham itself a location which aids the tone of the story as well as the Burton films did whilst Nolan I think ended up with rather too simple realism.

[Zivouhr]

I like the batsuit in black with the yellow batsymbol too, and this The Batman suit too.

I wonder what it'll look like in this new film? They almost always switch it up each film to keep things interesting.

For Gunn's Batman if that happens, I really want to see the classic Blue, gray and yellow colors of the Batman suit. That would be really great for a change of pace. I can see Gunn's DC going that route.

[moreorless]

I would say that Gunn's style as well isnt THAT camp, he includes plenty of larger than life elements in his films but the central drama of them tends to be pretty serious and quite down to earth focusing on things like family issues.

Having two very different takes on Batman at once though, I don't see the problem in that at all provided their both good. In this day and age the general public can almost certainly tell them apart.

[BloodshotUSA]

In the press interviews for the Darren Aronofsky's Caught Stealing, Zoe Kravitz's rep asked interviewers not to ask her about The Batman 2 because she isn't in it.

Could be the rep lying though.

[50strat54]

Batman Forever and Batman and Robin were like the Batman TV show 1966

Gunn’s Batman will also take inspiration from 1966 as his Superman is like the mid 60s DC comic books. The minute he put Krypto the Dog in, was the same as Lucas putting in Jar Jar Binks in the SW Prequels.

Personally I think it’s stupid to have competing Batman films from the same company.

Matt Reeves succeeded far better with The Batman than Gunn has with Superman 2025.

The Batman far superior film than Superman 2025, in my opinion.

[Worship.my.wreck]

Originally Posted by 50strat54

Batman Forever and Batman and Robin were like the Batman TV show 1966

Gunn’s Batman will also take inspiration from 1966 as his Superman is like the mid 60s DC comic books. The minute he put Krypto the Dog in, was the same as Lucas putting in Jar Jar Binks in the SW Prequels.

Personally I think it’s stupid to have competing Batman films from the same company.

Matt Reeves succeeded far better with The Batman than Gunn has with Superman 2025.

The Batman far superior film than Superman 2025, in my opinion.

The thing is Reeve’s Batman doesn’t fit with the type of Universe James Gunn is trying to build. Reeve’s Batman is too grounded, so there needs to be a proper Batman that fits within this new universe along with its rogue gallery and other characters.

[Jay Mammoth]

Originally Posted by Worship.my.wreck

The thing is Reeve’s Batman doesn’t fit with the type of Universe James Gunn is trying to build. Reeve’s Batman is too grounded, so there needs to be a proper Batman that fits within this new universe along with its rogue gallery and other characters.

Yeah it’s too serious for what Gunn has created.!Superman is such a fun film, can’t wait to see what Batman is like in the Gunnverse.

[GarbageGoober]

Originally Posted by Worship.my.wreck

The thing is Reeve’s Batman doesn’t fit with the type of Universe James Gunn is trying to build. Reeve’s Batman is too grounded, so there needs to be a proper Batman that fits within this new universe along with its rogue gallery and other characters.

I don't know, Gunn himself said that their universe with cover all kinds of genres/tones, and it all comes down to the script. [This was in response to the Clayface film being deemed more horror than anything]. So Reeves' Batman very well could fit. Though I prefer that it stays separate

[Modren]

Originally Posted by GarbageGoober

I don't know, Gunn himself said that their universe with cover all kinds of genres/tones, and it all comes down to the script. [This was in response to the Clayface film being deemed more horror than anything]. So Reeves' Batman very well could fit. Though I prefer that it stays separate

It's not necessarily a tone problem, it's more that Reeves' movies are set in a more realistic setting where there isn't really room for superhuman characters. Like, Clayface will be a horror movie, but it'll be a horror movie about a guy turning into a goop monster; that wouldn't really fit with Reeves' world, but it does make sense in Gunn's world of flying dogs and aliens.

[Ben_C]

Originally Posted by Zivouhr

I always saw Batman Forever's Poison Ivy, the very over the top Riddler by Carrey, and Tom Jones as Two Face as very over the top and cartoony compared to the prior 2 Keaton films. Penguin DeVito was over the top too, but the atmosphere was more dark and gloomy.

Batman & Robin, very over the top live-action cartoonish movie, but if looked at in the style of Adam West's 60's era Batman, a fun movie in that way. I didn't go see it in theaters back then as it looked too cheesy for the Batman style I was hoping for.

[50strat54]

Originally Posted by Ben_C

Tom Jones what an entertainer!

Helluva singer! Man got SOUL! Can ya dig it?

[DR Herbert West]

Originally Posted by Ben_C

[Show spoiler]

It's not unusual...

[moreorless]

Originally Posted by Modren

It's not necessarily a tone problem, it's more that Reeves' movies are set in a more realistic setting where there isn't really room for superhuman characters. Like, Clayface will be a horror movie, but it'll be a horror movie about a guy turning into a goop monster; that wouldn't really fit with Reeves' world, but it does make sense in Gunn's world of flying dogs and aliens.

To be fair I could see a character like Clayface working in Reeves setting BUT as you say it would need to be a horror film. A character being overly supernatural/sci fi would obviously be apart from the setting as it is and treated as such in the film. You could also I spose have some kind of plot with such a character faking a supernatural nature to further their ends.

The latter might actually work quite well IMHO, Batman as a kind of Amazing Randi like debunker.