Mobile/Cell phone chit chat!

[ezcobar411]

Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

xtop, just in Feb 10th for X10 in EU. US date will be a week or two later.

Nice!

Please be after Valentine's day. I can't afford to buy this phone in lieu of a nice gift. I'd never hear the end of it.

[xtop]

Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

xtop, just in Feb 10th for X10 in EU. US date will be a week or two later.

Nice!

i was worried about the US date, glad to see its not long after

[Maximus]

Not only that, there is a new video out of a later software build, it runs faster and smoother. My mate says it will eventually be updated to Android 2.0 and multi-touch (at the same time I suppose), and SE confirmed that the device is already MT capable, just locked out in software.

He says the latest build is stable enough that he is going to replace his N97 with this as his main phone from now on, also the camera is full of win.

[xtop]

Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

Not only that, there is a new video out of a later software build, it runs faster and smoother. My mate says it will eventually be updated to Android 2.0 and multi-touch (at the same time I suppose), and SE confirmed that the device is already MT capable, just locked out in software.

He says the latest build is stable enough that he is going to replace his N97 with this as his main phone from now on, also the camera is full of win.

i saw that video. looks wayyyy better, always room to grow though i'd like to see the difference in the screen from 65k colors to 16 million too but that also doesn't come until 2.0. must be pretty awesome tho to give up the n97 for this already. makes me even more excited to hear about the camera actually being good too.

any clue if there's some hidden potential in there for some hd video down the road?

i'm curious tho. why are they even releasing the damn thing without 2.0?

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by xtop

i saw that video. looks wayyyy better, always room to grow though i'd like to see the difference in the screen from 65k colors to 16 million too but that also doesn't come until 2.0. must be pretty awesome tho to give up the n97 for this already. makes me even more excited to hear about the camera actually being good too.

any clue if there's some hidden potential in there for some hd video down the road?

i'm curious tho. why are they even releasing the damn thing without 2.0?

Yeah it does! The difference isn't all you would think, I have seen this and compared it to the 16m having N97 and this has a better screen. It's all about how you use what's available and this is extremely vibrant while the N97 looks dull.

It has the hardware for 720p video recording, I expect it has something to do with software optimisation than with the hardware if it is unavailable at launch.

The reason I was told is that SE have been optimising their UX platform for Android 1.6 and single touch and to launch with 2.0/MT would mean delaying until around April/June which was seen as an unacceptable compromise given the state of things at SE.

Finally they have learned to get the hardware out as quick as possible rather than sit on it and wait like they did for Satio (which has been damn near usable for 3-4 months).

I have been enquiring about the future of this phone (i.e. what the update model will be) and it looks like they will have a refresh every 6-12 months adding hardware features and updating the software as well, so this initial product may not be the one to get for patient people. If in November SE come out with X10.1 with 16m screen (if they can work these wonders with 65k I can't imagine what 16m will look like!), 720p video recording, LTE etc... then I will probably wait for that. Then again I get a phone once every 3-4 years and I buy the best available so I'm still using my venerable N95 (not the 8GB or anything new, the old silver N95!).

[xtop]

Originally Posted by Maxpower1987

Yeah it does! The difference isn't all you would think, I have seen this and compared it to the 16m having N97 and this has a better screen. It's all about how you use what's available and this is extremely vibrant while the N97 looks dull.

It has the hardware for 720p video recording, I expect it has something to do with software optimisation than with the hardware if it is unavailable at launch.

The reason I was told is that SE have been optimising their UX platform for Android 1.6 and single touch and to launch with 2.0/MT would mean delaying until around April/June which was seen as an unacceptable compromise given the state of things at SE.

Finally they have learned to get the hardware out as quick as possible rather than sit on it and wait like they did for Satio (which has been damn near usable for 3-4 months).

I have been enquiring about the future of this phone (i.e. what the update model will be) and it looks like they will have a refresh every 6-12 months adding hardware features and updating the software as well, so this initial product may not be the one to get for patient people. If in November SE come out with X10.1 with 16m screen (if they can work these wonders with 65k I can't imagine what 16m will look like!), 720p video recording, LTE etc... then I will probably wait for that. Then again I get a phone once every 3-4 years and I buy the best available so I'm still using my venerable N95 (not the 8GB or anything new, the old silver N95!).

well it sounds like even if the community (xda and the like) can't update the phone, that SE has some improvements they can make. so thats nice to hear. and if 2.0 was going to mean april or later, i'm glad they decided on 1.6. feb is late enough as it is.

but they want to refresh as often as the iphone eh? i kinda like the sounds of that. snapdragon 2 within a year?

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by xtop

well it sounds like even if the community (xda and the like) can't update the phone, that SE has some improvements they can make. so thats nice to hear. and if 2.0 was going to mean april or later, i'm glad they decided on 1.6. feb is late enough as it is.

but they want to refresh as often as the iphone eh? i kinda like the sounds of that. snapdragon 2 within a year?

Yeah, there is a lot of hardware in the tank with X10, so expect there to be massive software packages and updates from SE in the first few months, maybe when they roll out 2.0 and MT they will give us 720p video and OpenGL ES 2.0 for developers.

I would also love quick refreshes, i.e. the opposite of current SE (release announce something awesome for release in 6-9 months, delay it for 3 months, and leave it to rot for the rest of its days) as it would keep this phone up with the rest of the competition like iPhone, HTC and Moto Droid.

[Uxi]

Wish they put a xenon flash and a lens cover on the X10. Without a QWERTY, I could never replace my N97 with it, though. Hopefully another SKU is imminent. Always loved my SE phones... Android 2.0 should be a good fit.

I'd put just N97 or N900 screen against the X10's any day of the week, though, and twice on Sunday. Really shines when you put a movie on it, especially with the stereo speakers right underneath. Multimedia is where Nseries have always shined.

[xtop]

bad news for SE employees

http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/18/s...-000-employee/

[supersix4]

Anyone see the new verizon attack add on at&t where they have the island of misfit toys and the iphones there and they ask you can do all this stuff why are you here, and that coverage map verizon's been showing pops up and all the toys go OH

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O30bXECD36I

Might not be true, but hella funny!

[xtop]

those ad's are quite funny. i'm just glad i live in att's no dropped calls zone

[supersix4]

Originally Posted by xtop

those ad's are quite funny. i'm just glad i live in att's no dropped calls zone

lol well I was sitting here watching espn and it came on and I just couldn't stop laughing... "oh" lol

[ManUtd]

Originally Posted by xtop

those ad's are quite funny. i'm just glad i live in att's no dropped calls zone

+1 At home, at work and pretty much anywhere I frequent here in the Bay Area has been okay signal-wise.

[xtop]

Please tell me the report is wrong max. Cnn? I think..said the x10 will cost close to $900!!!!

I hope there are factors they're missing

[supersix4]

Originally Posted by xtop

Please tell me the report is wrong max. Cnn? I think..said the x10 will cost close to $900!!!!

I hope there are factors they're missing

lol I think I'd pass on that I think my max for a cell now would be 600-800

[toef]

Originally Posted by xtop

Please tell me the report is wrong max. Cnn? I think..said the x10 will cost close to $900!!!!

I hope there are factors they're missing

That would be crazy for something with such a limited lifespan.

[Uxi]

Originally Posted by xtop

Please tell me the report is wrong max. Cnn? I think..said the x10 will cost close to $900!!!!

I hope there are factors they're missing

Just make sure they're not doing a direct money conversion.

N97, for example was released at 599 Euros: converted that's almost $900 USD (895.924 USD) but it was released here at $699 unlocked. Now it's about $450 if you shop and get your coupons in order, etc but MSRP is still 599 Euros for the european version. Even the week of the launch, Amazon US had it for something like $620. I was able to get mine for $450 on the preorder "glitch" (Nokia USA's system accepted coupons for pre-orders when it wasn't supposed to, but they honored it), but that's neither here nor there.

[xtop]

Well I realize the prices usually don't translate correctly. But even if its 700 plus the 2 year sub..we're still looking at what 400..500? That's still way too high

Ill consider at 400..but 300 needs to be the spot

[Uxi]

All the prices I mentioned were unsubsidized, unlocked. iPhone 3GS go for 500-699 unsubsidized IIRC.

N97's in the UK were usually available free with the contract, but that's also a slightly apples/oranges deal (Euro prices tend to be much higher than conversion but the things like contracts and even monthly rates tend to be lower IIRC). That's from the big carriers, though... there are shops out here in LA that subsidize individually so you can get your import/unlocked phone on a contract with that individual shop in exchange for their 2 or 3-year deal. I got my P900 way back in the day on such a deal (Paid a couple hundred down and then did 2-year agreement).

I'd be real surprised if a US carrier makes a deal with the X10, though, so outside of an individual shop or special deal like that, I think you're going to be in the $400-600 USD range. SE phones tend to be pretty pricey, though. Xperia X1 stayed expensive for a long time after it lost it's halo.

[xtop]

the 3gs goes for that much off contract? i didn't think it was that high. must have been thinking of the 3g then. in which case..its not all that surprising

i thought the 3gs was cheaper