Say Goodnight To The Bad Guy: Worst Casting Choices For Villains - Blu-ray Forum

Offender_Mullet · 12-08-2009, 09:51 PM

Since the Spider-Man IV casting rumor was already in the official thread, I've deleted that part. Thanks Beta Man!

Here a few of my choices for worst casting blunders for villains. I'll update it as more come to mind:

Timothy Olyphant as Thomas Gabriel in Die Hard: Live Free Or Die Hard
He was about as menacing as a runway model on Xanax.

Willem Dafoe as Green Goblin in Spider-Man
Again, another actor who's too feminie for a bad guy role.

Billy Zane as Cal Hockley in Titanic
The hammiest villian in the the hammiest movie ever.

Kevin Spacey as Lex Luthor in Superman Returns
Just admit it people, you were watching Spacey instead of Luthor.

Arnold Schwarzenegger as Mr. Freeze in Batman & Robin
Granted Ahhhhnuld's character was a classic unintentionally funny role, but this was just awful. "Iiiiiiiiiiice!"

Vinnie Jones as Juggernaut in X-Men III: The Last Stand
I love Vinnie Jones, except in this. While his line of "I'm the Juggernaut b*tch" is timeless, he just looked so awkward in costume.

John Travolta as Howard Saint in The Punisher
Ok, while he DOES have THE BEST a**hole move ever (throwing his wife off a bridge then she gets run over by a train), Travolta has never been quality at playing the bad guy.

John Travolta as Ryder in The Taking Of Pehlam 1 2 3
While he had the look, he was trying waaaay too hard, making it a parody more than anything. The trailers made me believe he finally pulled it off, but sadly, this was not the case.

FromTheInside · 12-08-2009, 09:56 PM

wtf spiderman 4??

phoenixram1977 · 12-08-2009, 10:01 PM

Not sure I agree with the villian choice, how bout the lizard, or getting venom right somehow. I wish they would have named each movie differently instead of 1, 2, 3. It would have been great if they had something like the web of spiderman (part 1), the amazing spiderman (part 2) and so forth....

Offender_Mullet · 12-08-2009, 10:07 PM

True, something different as we already had the flying bad guy in SP1.

Edit: Oops forgot about the official SP4 thread. Already asked a mod to change my title.

dvd_mazter · 12-08-2009, 10:34 PM

John Malkovich is a fine actor but if they are going for Vulture as the villian, go Ben Kingsley !!

Personally, I would rather see The Lizard finally get his time in the spotlight as villian.

Oh, and as for Hathaway being in it, Black Cat or nothing.. seriously Vulturness or whatever..dumb idea

Jeremy1983 · 12-08-2009, 10:35 PM

John Travolta as Ryder in Taking of Pelham 123 of one of the worst movie villains ever. His performance was simply a pathetic caricature of just about every cheesy villain in cinema history.

Blu Titan · 12-08-2009, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeremy1983

John Travolta as Ryder in Taking of Pelham 123 of one of the worst movie villains ever. His performance was simply a pathetic caricature of just about every cheesy villain in cinema history.

I have to agree with you.

jadedeath · 12-08-2009, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Offender_Mullet

Willem Dafoe as Green Goblin in Spider-Man
Again, another actor who's too feminie for a bad guy role.

This entry makes the entire list a joke.

Dafoe was awesome for the part.

Logan

Offender_Mullet · 12-09-2009, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by jadedeath

This entry makes the entire list a joke. Dafoe was awesome for the part. Logan

Warning! *****Angry Fanboy Alert***** Warning! *****Angry Fanboy Alert*****

That my opinion, bud. At least I gave more than a 1-word reason though.

You are the most negative Canadian ever. Are you sure you're not from Detroit?

LynxFX · 12-09-2009, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Offender_Mullet

Billy Zane as Cal Hockley in Titanic
The hammiest villian in the the hammiest movie ever.

Awwww he was great in his hammie performance.

"How dare you PUT YOUR hands on MY fianCE!

A lot of Travolta mentions, but I think he was perfect in Swordfish.

Kristanna Loken in Terminator 3 was pretty bad.

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Originally Posted by jadedeath

This entry makes the entire list a joke.

Dafoe was awesome for the part.

Logan

Dafoe wasn't bad, it was the costume that was a joke.

Fighter · 12-09-2009, 12:42 AM

Timothy Olyphant for sure. All I can picture is his Hitman character in the new Die-Hard film...it was kind of weird.

I actually liked Billy Zane as a bad guy in Titantic

CZAR · 12-09-2009, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by LynxFX

Awwww he was great in his hammie performance.

"How dare you PUT YOUR hands on MY fianCE!

A lot of Travolta mentions, but I think he was perfect in Swordfish.

Kristanna Loken in Terminator 3 was pretty bad.

Dafoe wasn't bad, it was the costume that was a joke.

Thats exactly it! Got Em!!

JonD7 · 12-09-2009, 01:32 AM

Dafoe, in my opinion... was the best villain in any of the Spider-Man films.

hardcorefrokid · 12-09-2009, 01:44 AM

William Dafoe was awesome as Gobby!

iam1bearcat · 12-09-2009, 01:49 AM

It's sad how far Travolta has fallen (villain-wise), especially since his role in "Face Off" was exceptional (imo).

Brandon · 12-09-2009, 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by JonD7

Dafoe, in my opinion... was the best villain in any of the Spider-Man films.

I agree, I think Dafoe was the best part of Spiderman 1.

J. J. Hunsecker · 12-09-2009, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Offender_Mullet

Willem Dafoe as Green Goblin in Spider-Man
Again, another actor who's too feminie for a bad guy role.

Add me to the list of those who disagree with your opinion of Dafoe in Spiderman. I thought he was great; just the right amount of melodramatic acting, with a bit of tongue-in-cheek camp thrown in for good measure. He wasn't playing a bad-ass, but more of a lunatic. He also has many shades, sort of a Jeckel and Hyde persona -- confused, weak and sympathetic one minute, raving, angry, conniving, cold-hearted and completely out of his head the next. Dafoe also gets across that his character is a man barely able to keep his emotions in check; he always seems on the verge of erupting. Plus he is able to make those great comic book villain faces -- you know, eyebrows pushed down in an angry expression, but laughing at the same time. That expression, while a comic book cliche, doesn't really happen in real life. Yet Dafoe was able to express it. I guess his somewhat odd features help.

If you want to see how good Dafoe is at playing a villain, watch David Lynch's Wild at Heart. The movie isn't all that good, but Dafoe is creepy and menacing in it.

Adhamhnon · 12-09-2009, 06:23 AM

The "evil" King in Dragonheart... he was such a little wuss... I have a hard time buying into a villain I think my little sister could beat the living crap out of.

unclewiggum · 12-09-2009, 07:38 AM

Sir Ian McKellen as Magneto.

i could not believe he was cast as Magneto and did not buy into him as a villain.

KubrickFan · 12-09-2009, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by unclewiggum

Sir Ian McKellen as Magneto.

i could not believe he was cast as Magneto and did not buy into him as a villain.

What, really? I thought he was one of the best things about the X-Men movies.

Also slightly more controversial, but I thought Kevin Spacey finally managed to make Lex Luthor a terrifying villain, something that Gene Hackman (although he's a fine actor) never did in his three performances as Luthor.

12-08-2009, 09:51 PM	#1
Offender_Mullet Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Nov 2008 Location:Illinois Blu-ray collection:6 Blu-ray reviews:4 Trading Score:10	Say Goodnight To The Bad Guy: Worst Casting Choices For Villains Since the Spider-Man IV casting rumor was already in the official thread, I've deleted that part. Thanks Beta Man! Here a few of my choices for worst casting blunders for villains. I'll update it as more come to mind: Timothy Olyphant as Thomas Gabriel in Die Hard: Live Free Or Die Hard He was about as menacing as a runway model on Xanax. Willem Dafoe as Green Goblin in Spider-Man Again, another actor who's too feminie for a bad guy role. Billy Zane as Cal Hockley in Titanic The hammiest villian in the the hammiest movie ever. Kevin Spacey as Lex Luthor in Superman Returns Just admit it people, you were watching Spacey instead of Luthor. Arnold Schwarzenegger as Mr. Freeze in Batman & Robin Granted Ahhhhnuld's character was a classic unintentionally funny role, but this was just awful. "Iiiiiiiiiiice!" Vinnie Jones as Juggernaut in X-Men III: The Last Stand I love Vinnie Jones, except in this. While his line of "I'm the Juggernaut btch" is timeless, he just looked so awkward in costume. John Travolta as Howard Saint in The Punisher* Ok, while he DOES have THE BEST a*hole move ever (throwing his wife off a bridge then she gets run over by a train), Travolta has never been quality at playing the bad guy. John Travolta as Ryder in The Taking Of Pehlam 1 2 3* While he had the look, he was trying waaaay too hard, making it a parody more than anything. The trailers made me believe he finally pulled it off, but sadly, this was not the case. Last edited by Offender_Mullet; 12-09-2009 at 12:27 AM.

12-08-2009, 10:07 PM	#4
Offender_Mullet Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Nov 2008 Location:Illinois Blu-ray collection:6 Blu-ray reviews:4 Trading Score:10	True, something different as we already had the flying bad guy in SP1. Edit: Oops forgot about the official SP4 thread. Already asked a mod to change my title. Last edited by Offender_Mullet; 12-08-2009 at 10:25 PM.

12-09-2009, 01:49 AM	#15
iam1bearcat Blu-ray Knight Member since:Nov 2009 Location:Club Loop Home Theater Gallery:7 Blu-ray collection:54 DVD collection:28 Trading Score:29	It's sad how far Travolta has fallen (villain-wise), especially since his role in "Face Off" was exceptional (imo). Last edited by iam1bearcat; 12-09-2009 at 02:22 AM.

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phoenixram1977 Active Member Member since:Sep 2009 Location:San Antonio, Tx Blu-ray collection:956 DVD collection:13 Trading Score:77	Not sure I agree with the villian choice, how bout the lizard, or getting venom right somehow. I wish they would have named each movie differently instead of 1, 2, 3. It would have been great if they had something like the web of spiderman (part 1), the amazing spiderman (part 2) and so forth....

12-08-2009, 10:34 PM	#5
dvd_mazter Power Member Member since:Mar 2008 Location:Winnipeg, Manitoba Home Theater Gallery:9 4K collection:10 Blu-ray collection:740 Blu-ray reviews: 146	John Malkovich is a fine actor but if they are going for Vulture as the villian, go Ben Kingsley !! Personally, I would rather see The Lizard finally get his time in the spotlight as villian. Oh, and as for Hathaway being in it, Black Cat or nothing.. seriously Vulturness or whatever..dumb idea

12-08-2009, 10:35 PM	#6
Jeremy1983 Senior Member Member since:Aug 2008 Location:Laguna Beach, CA Blu-ray collection:140 Trading Score:4	John Travolta as Ryder in Taking of Pelham 123 of one of the worst movie villains ever. His performance was simply a pathetic caricature of just about every cheesy villain in cinema history.

12-09-2009, 12:42 AM	#11
Fighter Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Oct 2009 Location:☣☣☣☣☣ Blu-ray collection:14	Timothy Olyphant for sure. All I can picture is his Hitman character in the new Die-Hard film...it was kind of weird. I actually liked Billy Zane as a bad guy in Titantic

12-09-2009, 01:32 AM	#13
JonD7 Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jun 2007 Location:Cali 4K collection:86 Blu-ray collection:251	Dafoe, in my opinion... was the best villain in any of the Spider-Man films.

12-09-2009, 01:44 AM	#14
hardcorefrokid Power Member Member since:Sep 2008 Location:Southern California Blu-ray collection:97 Blu-ray reviews: 16	William Dafoe was awesome as Gobby!

12-09-2009, 06:23 AM	#18
Adhamhnon Active Member Member since:Aug 2008 Location:Niagara,Ontario, Canada Blu-ray collection:138 Trading Score:3	The "evil" King in Dragonheart... he was such a little wuss... I have a hard time buying into a villain I think my little sister could beat the living crap out of.

12-09-2009, 07:38 AM	#19
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