HD DVD owners will have to buy new players

[Blu-Light]

HD-DUD: Please buy our CHEAP, disposable players so we can sell you more garbage now that blu-ray is kicking our asses.

[marzetta7]

Originally Posted by Blu-Light

HD-DUD: Please buy our CHEAP, disposable players so we can sell you more garbage now that blu-ray is kicking our asses.

LOL...HD DVD and their incomplete specs

[supersix4]

hahahahahaha nobody can talk about price now lol

[Beta-guy]

I'm sure this has been said in this thread somewhere... but, looks like the HD-DVD standard isn't finalized :P this'll teach those HD-DVD'ers for criticizing our profiles...

[Cyorg]

Nice!!!

[tvine2000]

Originally Posted by marzetta7

LOL...HD DVD and their incomplete specs

now hold on i own a blu-ray player but even i now the spec on blu-ray are incomplete.
yes we have profile 1.1 but what ive read about it,if the software supporting profile 1.1 may not play on profile 1.0 players.
since profiles are a hardware issue were screwed because will have to get a new player.
lets get the facts right.
by the way as a blu-ray supporter i want to know what the other guys doing.
the fact is right now there testing the 51g disc.and they made it clear a firmware update would solve that issue.
the issue i have with blu-ray is profiles [again] is a hardware issue and thats means you would have to buy a profile 1.1 player to get all the features of that profile.i really dont care about special features,or bd live.
but what would piss me off is will a profile 1.1 disc play on my 1.0 player.
if not, im mad cause im not gonna buy another bd player everytime a new profile comes out!
look i love blu-ray but this format has its short comings
hd dvd has its short comings too.
i dont pretend blu-ray is the greatist thing since sliced bread,cause it isnt
it is as been said many times blu-ray is a work in progress.
i just hope they care of us guys and gals when it comes to this profile thing and do the right thing.

[Hayashi]

Originally Posted by tvine2000

now hold on i own a blu-ray player but even i now the spec on blu-ray are incomplete.
yes we have profile 1.1 but what ive read about it,if the software supporting profile 1.1 may not play on profile 1.0 players.
since profiles are a hardware issue were screwed because will have to get a new player.
lets get the facts right.
by the way as a blu-ray supporter i want to know what the other guys doing.
the fact is right now there testing the 51g disc.and they made it clear a firmware update would solve that issue.
the issue i have with blu-ray is profiles [again] is a hardware issue and thats means you would have to buy a profile 1.1 player to get all the features of that profile.i really dont care about special features,or bd live.
but what would piss me off is will a profile 1.1 disc play on my 1.0 player.
if not, im mad cause im not gonna buy another bd player everytime a new profile comes out!
look i love blu-ray but this format has its short comings
hd dvd has its short comings too.
i dont pretend blu-ray is the greatist thing since sliced bread,cause it isnt
it is as been said many times blu-ray is a work in progress.
i just hope they care of us guys and gals when it comes to this profile thing and do the right thing.

LoL did you actually read anything in this thread?

1) They never made it clear that a firmware upgrade would work its all speculation.
2) If you don't care about extras and if you actually read the thread you would know that the movie itself would still play on generation 1 BD players.

[Blu-Light]

Originally Posted by tvine2000

now hold on i own a blu-ray player but even i now the spec on blu-ray are incomplete.
yes we have profile 1.1 but what ive read about it,if the software supporting profile 1.1 may not play on profile 1.0 players.
since profiles are a hardware issue were screwed because will have to get a new player.
lets get the facts right.
by the way as a blu-ray supporter i want to know what the other guys doing.
the fact is right now there testing the 51g disc.and they made it clear a firmware update would solve that issue.
the issue i have with blu-ray is profiles [again] is a hardware issue and thats means you would have to buy a profile 1.1 player to get all the features of that profile.i really dont care about special features,or bd live.
but what would piss me off is will a profile 1.1 disc play on my 1.0 player.
if not, im mad cause im not gonna buy another bd player everytime a new profile comes out!
look i love blu-ray but this format has its short comings
hd dvd has its short comings too.
i dont pretend blu-ray is the greatist thing since sliced bread,cause it isnt
it is as been said many times blu-ray is a work in progress.
i just hope they care of us guys and gals when it comes to this profile thing and do the right thing.

Well, I guess you have not read a single response to your previous posts. I will try to spell it out a little better for you.

#1) Toshiba TL51 WILL NOT WORK with just a firmware update. You gotta trash the player and get a new one.

#2) ALL Profile 1.1/2.0 3.0 or whatever will play perfectly in your profile 1.0 player. This is FACT.

The only short coming of blu-ray at the moment is it has an inferior HD format disc weighing it down from complete market adoption namely HD-DUD. Bu-ray delivers in every department that is most important to a top quality home theater audio and video product. HD-DUD falls well short.

If you fail to understand this than I am beginning to think you are nothing more than another warp minded dud troll.

[Elessar]

Does no one care that Toshiba already announced that these discs WILL play on all the current players? DO you honestly think they would try to put something out that made the previous years efforts for nothin?

You people are idiots if you believe any of this garbage, it's spin and untruth at it's finest, something I have come to expect from these forums, but still sad to see it all the time. Are you so desperate for Blu to win that you'll straight out lie to get people to support it?

Pathetic, absolutely pathetic.

[Hayashi]

Originally Posted by Elessar

Does no one care that Toshiba already announced that these discs WILL play on all the current players? DO you honestly think they would try to put something out that made the previous years efforts for nothin?

You people are idiots if you believe any of this garbage, it's spin and untruth at it's finest, something I have come to expect from these forums, but still sad to see it all the time. Are you so desperate for Blu to win that you'll straight out lie to get people to support it?

Pathetic, absolutely pathetic.

Link to so called Toshiba official announcement that it does work...

pls?..haha

[Blu-Light]

Originally Posted by Hayashi

Link to so called Toshiba official announcement that it does work...

pls?..haha

Yeah, and Toshiba and the HD-DVD promotion group have a long standing history of telling the truth.

Hmm, didn't just a few days ago a member get slapped back into reality by the SS group?

[BluCrusader]

Originally Posted by Elessar

Does no one care that Toshiba already announced that these discs WILL play on all the current players? DO you honestly think they would try to put something out that made the previous years efforts for nothin?

You people are idiots if you believe any of this garbage, it's spin and untruth at it's finest, something I have come to expect from these forums, but still sad to see it all the time. Are you so desperate for Blu to win that you'll straight out lie to get people to support it?

Pathetic, absolutely pathetic.

omg you are sooo gonna get banned

[Banjo]

Originally Posted by Elessar

Does no one care that Toshiba already announced that these discs WILL play on all the current players? DO you honestly think they would try to put something out that made the previous years efforts for nothin?

You people are idiots if you believe any of this garbage, it's spin and untruth at it's finest, something I have come to expect from these forums, but still sad to see it all the time. Are you so desperate for Blu to win that you'll straight out lie to get people to support it?

Pathetic, absolutely pathetic.

Sure, sure... and the 1080p/24 firmware update is working just fine.

[BDAnr1]

HD DVD owners will have to buy new players

not really

We’re still looking at the backwards compatibility,” Knox said, adding a firmware update for existing HD DVD players might be needed, should studios eventually use the technology.

good to be a dualsupporter

[radagast]

Originally Posted by Elessar

Does no one care that Toshiba already announced that these discs WILL play on all the current players? DO you honestly think they would try to put something out that made the previous years efforts for nothin?

You people are idiots if you believe any of this garbage, it's spin and untruth at it's finest, something I have come to expect from these forums, but still sad to see it all the time. Are you so desperate for Blu to win that you'll straight out lie to get people to support it?

Pathetic, absolutely pathetic.

Do you care that Bill Hunt posted this yesterday:

"the HD-DVD Promotions Group quickly countered with a little damage control, making sure everyone knew that the DVD Forum was close to approving the spec for a triple-layer 51GB HD-DVD disc (click here). However, industry sources are telling us that NONE of the existing Toshiba HD-DVD players and drives are currently capable of reading them. Indeed, the Video Business story indicates that once the spec is finalized, "compatibility with current HD DVD player and recorders can be investigated." According to reports from Bits readers who were on at CEATAC this weekend, Toshiba reps told attendees that the triple-layer disc configuration would require a hardware change (the lens on existing drives reportedly isn't capable of moving to focus on the third layer), meaning that the existing drives are not firmware updatable. "

Who are you going to believe? You are the idiot if you take Toshiba's word. They are losing so badly they will do and say anything at this point.

Pathetic, absolutely pathetic.

[marzetta7]

Originally Posted by Elessar

Does no one care that Toshiba already announced that these discs WILL play on all the current players? DO you honestly think they would try to put something out that made the previous years efforts for nothin?

You people are idiots if you believe any of this garbage, it's spin and untruth at it's finest, something I have come to expect from these forums, but still sad to see it all the time. Are you so desperate for Blu to win that you'll straight out lie to get people to support it?

Pathetic, absolutely pathetic.

No, they--Toshiba--certainly did NOT announce these discs will play on the current players. I believe what they stated on the 10th of October was the it was "in the air" and have "just begun testing."

http://www.allthingshidef.com/ME2/di...5F8B8367819859

Can you provide a link to the contrary at the current moment? Methinks...not.

[flyingdutchman]

Watch my argument with the HD-DVD fanatic over at DVDTALK unfold.

http://forum.dvdtalk.com/showthread....31#post8204131

[marzetta7]

Originally Posted by tvine2000

now hold on i own a blu-ray player but even i now the spec on blu-ray are incomplete.
yes we have profile 1.1 but what ive read about it,if the software supporting profile 1.1 may not play on profile 1.0 players.
since profiles are a hardware issue were screwed because will have to get a new player.
lets get the facts right.
by the way as a blu-ray supporter i want to know what the other guys doing.
the fact is right now there testing the 51g disc.and they made it clear a firmware update would solve that issue.
the issue i have with blu-ray is profiles [again] is a hardware issue and thats means you would have to buy a profile 1.1 player to get all the features of that profile.i really dont care about special features,or bd live.
but what would piss me off is will a profile 1.1 disc play on my 1.0 player.
if not, im mad cause im not gonna buy another bd player everytime a new profile comes out!
look i love blu-ray but this format has its short comings
hd dvd has its short comings too.
i dont pretend blu-ray is the greatist thing since sliced bread,cause it isnt
it is as been said many times blu-ray is a work in progress.
i just hope they care of us guys and gals when it comes to this profile thing and do the right thing.

Now hold on, read what Hayashi and Blu-Light have stated, as they beat me to the punch. More precisely, they were spot on.

[Jim L]

The HD DUD fans have been beating the drum for months now about Blu-ray's "incomplete spec" and "obsolete players" while they boast about all this great interactive HDi crap.

Please. This is too funny! Most of us BD fans don't give a rat's a$$ about that stuff, or we're ok with it because we all know deep down inside that we'll either upgrade if we care, or just wait for a simple firmware update on the PS3 and we'll all instantly have Profile 1.1 (PIP) and Profile 2.0 (BD-Live).

All BD players now offer more space and bandwidth for superior hi-bit picture quality and lossless sound via PCM or Dolby TrueHD. We also have seamless branching and room for multiple lossless soundtracks and subtitles and extra features. And Blu-ray was designed from the ground up to be 1080p. Many BD players also do 1080p24 which is trouble for many of the Toshiba players.

They're sad because they know that their format doesn't have enough capacity even on dual-layer discs. Too bad!

[Dalese]

Originally Posted by Jim L

The HD DUD fans have been beating the drum for months now about Blu-ray's "incomplete spec" and "obsolete players" while they boast about all this great interactive HDi crap.

Please. This is too funny! Most of us BD fans don't give a rat's a$$ about that stuff, or we're ok with it because we all know deep down inside that we'll either upgrade if we care, or just wait for a simple firmware update on the PS3 and we'll all instantly have Profile 1.1 (PIP) and Profile 2.0 (BD-Live).

All BD players now offer more space and bandwidth for superior hi-bit picture quality and lossless sound via PCM or Dolby TrueHD. We also have seamless branching and room for multiple lossless soundtracks and subtitles and extra features. And Blu-ray was designed from the ground up to be 1080p. Many BD players also do 1080p24 which is trouble for many of the Toshiba players.

They're sad because they know that their format doesn't have enough capacity even on dual-layer discs. Too bad!

By improving their format, HD-DVD highlights their own limitations to the point of making an informed consumer less likely to buy in now.

At least current Blu-ray stand-alone uses can rest assured that their current player will play BD 1.1 and 2.0 movies. It may not allow them to have all the neat new extras, but it will play the movie. PS3's have less worries as there should be firmware updates.

Being an early adopter to an incomplete HD-DVD format must really hurt sometimes!


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