Pioneer Elite SC-25 vs. Marantz SR6004

[BluElite]

Originally Posted by callas01

Hey what speakers do you have? I as because sometimes some recievers sound better paired with different speakers.

Actually, Im in the process of shopping for some.... Atlantic Technology is a contender. So is Martin Logan & Sunfire.... any suggestions?

[JJ]

Originally Posted by BluElite

Actually, Im in the process of shopping for some.... Atlantic Technology is a contender. So is Martin Logan & Sunfire.... any suggestions?

Oof - with Martin Logan's and Sunfires, I'd have to recommend Marantz or separate components. Especially for MLs, those electrostats are power-hungry.

[BluElite]

Originally Posted by JJxiv1215

Oof - with Martin Logan's and Sunfires, I'd have to recommend Marantz or separate components. Especially for MLs, those electrostats are power-hungry.

Really? the Elite won't cut it huh....

[Steve]

Originally Posted by BluElite

Really? the Elite won't cut it huh....

I think the Elite receivers are just as good as any out there, but from what I know of Martin Logans I think I would have to recommend separates as well. They just seem to do better with A LOT of power. I don't think I would look at any stand alone receiver for speakers like these. If you go this route, you can get a less expensive receiver, but MAKE SURE IT HAS PRE-OUTS!!! In this case the Onkyo 607 everyone recommends won't work because it doesn't have pre-outs. Then you can add something like an Emotiva XPA-5 to give them plenty of nice, clean power.

[callas01]

Originally Posted by BluElite

Actually, Im in the process of shopping for some.... Atlantic Technology is a contender. So is Martin Logan & Sunfire.... any suggestions?

Are you building a HT setup or a 2-channel music setup? Are you looking at Electrostats or the Preface? I know that Sunfire makes really great subs, but I don't know much about their speakers. There are tons of great speakers. Dali Ikon 7, Dynaudio, Totem Forests, Monitor Audio Gold, PSB Syncrony, Focal/JL could go on forever...

I think personally if you are looking into ML and so forth they would enjoy a more musical receiver which would have to be the Marantz. Its musicality will also work well in HT. Now if you want the power of the SC-25 and the musicality of the Marantz you could look on the refurb market at this Marantz 8002.

http://www.accessories4less.com/make...urround/1.html

However as long as you aren't using 4 ohm speaker the Pioneer should work just fine.

But like it was said, I think with the speakers you are considering, I would look into seperates.

[blarneyrubble]

I bought the Marantz sr 6003 about 5 months ago. I was pretty disappointed with the performance. It may have been me but while watching TV and movies there was a lot of sibilance. It sounded amazing during stereo playback but I watch more movies than listen to music. I returned it and bought the Pioneer Elite SC-05. I love it!

I would vote for the Pioneer.

[JJ]

I should note that, personally, I went from a Marantz 7002 to an Elite 03 and did note a difference (for the better), but that was just because the 7002 had such a plethora of well-documented issues that I really couldn't bother with it anymore - but I do know the 003 and 004 versions are much, much better.

[callas01]

Here are some seperates that you could look into.

http://emotiva.com/umc1.shtm Audio/Video Processor $699
and
http://emotiva.com/upa5.shtm 5-channel Amp $549

or for a larger power amp
http://emotiva.com/xpa5.shtm 5-channel amp $799

Would be about the same price your looking at spending anyways, and would be better for the speakers you want to look into.

Otherwise you could go with the Yamaha 863 and one of the 5-channel amps
http://www.amazon.com/s?url=search-a...refix=yamaha+8

[BluElite]

Originally Posted by callas01

Here are some seperates that you could look into.

http://emotiva.com/umc1.shtm Audio/Video Processor $699
and
http://emotiva.com/upa5.shtm 5-channel Amp $549

or for a larger power amp
http://emotiva.com/xpa5.shtm 5-channel amp $799

Would be about the same price your looking at spending anyways, and would be better for the speakers you want to look into.

Otherwise you could go with the Yamaha 863 and one of the 5-channel amps
http://www.amazon.com/s?url=search-a...refix=yamaha+8

Thanks SO much for the info... I've never done separates before actually but have been reading up on them and its definitely something I will have to do with Martin Logan or equivalent caliber speakers. That Denon pair for $14k looks insane but that might be a stretch LOL.

[BluElite]

Originally Posted by callas01

Are you building a HT setup or a 2-channel music setup? Are you looking at Electrostats or the Preface? I know that Sunfire makes really great subs, but I don't know much about their speakers. There are tons of great speakers. Dali Ikon 7, Dynaudio, Totem Forests, Monitor Audio Gold, PSB Syncrony, Focal/JL could go on forever...

I think personally if you are looking into ML and so forth they would enjoy a more musical receiver which would have to be the Marantz. Its musicality will also work well in HT. Now if you want the power of the SC-25 and the musicality of the Marantz you could look on the refurb market at this Marantz 8002.

http://www.accessories4less.com/make...urround/1.html

However as long as you aren't using 4 ohm speaker the Pioneer should work just fine.

But like it was said, I think with the speakers you are considering, I would look into seperates.

Thank you. I am looking to build a home theater setup. I was looking at Sunfire for the subs. I've read some reviews of the speakers and apparently they are sub-par with flat sound. I was considering B&O speakers because they're so space-effective but I haven't decided. I am definitely going to take your advice on looking into separates. Is this brand "Emotiva" a very good one?

[callas01]

Originally Posted by BluElite

Thank you. I am looking to build a home theater setup. I was looking at Sunfire for the subs. I've read some reviews of the speakers and apparently they are sub-par with flat sound. I was considering B&O speakers because they're so space-effective but I haven't decided. I am definitely going to take your advice on looking into separates. Is this brand "Emotiva" a very good one?

Do you mean B&W?

Emotiva may not be as well known as say Rotel or McIntosh, but they seem to have a pretty good reputation, esp. around here. You can even look them up on AVSforum.com. You could look up Parasound, but I don't know if they have one that can process DD True HD or dts HD Master Audio. For the Price and Features Emotiva would be a good buy.


What is your speaker budget?

[BluElite]

Originally Posted by callas01

Do you mean B&W?

Emotiva may not be as well known as say Rotel or McIntosh, but they seem to have a pretty good reputation, esp. around here. You can even look them up on AVSforum.com. You could look up Parasound, but I don't know if they have one that can process DD True HD or dts HD Master Audio. For the Price and Features Emotiva would be a good buy.


What is your speaker budget?

I meant Bang & Olufsen but B&W I hear are real good too. Cool, good to know on Emotiva. What kind of speaker systems are best for 10k?

[JJ]

Originally Posted by BluElite

I meant Bang & Olufsen but B&W I hear are real good too. Cool, good to know on Emotiva. What kind of speaker systems are best for 10k?

Bang & Olufsen!

Don't waste your money there. That's all hype. You want space effectiveness? Try Definitive Technology's speakers. Or Paradigm has a line that's very space effective, as does Bowers & Wilkins.

But for $10,000 - you better do a lot of research so that money is well used! Check your local audio dealers and audition, audition, audition!

[callas01]

Originally Posted by BluElite

I meant Bang & Olufsen but B&W I hear are real good too. Cool, good to know on Emotiva. What kind of speaker systems are best for 10k?

Well for 10K you have a lot of options for speakers. Focal/JM Lab, Dynaudio, Totem, PSB, Monitor Audio, Dali, B&W, MartinLogan, KEF, plus so many others. I think for that budget you may want to really do some searching. And personally I would listen to just about everything possible.

I am sure there will be a few others on here that have higher end speaker suggestion they can give.

[BluElite]

Originally Posted by callas01

Well for 10K you have a lot of options for speakers. Focal/JM Lab, Dynaudio, Totem, PSB, Monitor Audio, Dali, B&W, MartinLogan, KEF, plus so many others. I think for that budget you may want to really do some searching. And personally I would listen to just about everything possible.

I am sure there will be a few others on here that have higher end speaker suggestion they can give.

Cool man, thanks so much. Do you have any suggestions for the best in the $3K range as well?

[GuitarGuyBMG]

Go with the SC-25. I've had mine for just over a week - you will not be disappointed!

[BluElite]

Ok, another question about the SC-25... I was looking at it on the Pioneer site, but I cannot decipher if it is able to accommodate TWO subs or just one. Anyone know??

[ZIPPO]

Originally Posted by BluElite

Ok, another question about the SC-25... I was looking at it on the Pioneer site, but I cannot decipher if it is able to accommodate TWO subs or just one. Anyone know??

All receivers can handle multiple subs when using Y splitters.

[JJ]

Originally Posted by BluElite

Ok, another question about the SC-25... I was looking at it on the Pioneer site, but I cannot decipher if it is able to accommodate TWO subs or just one. Anyone know??

One. But it's as easy as using a Y-splitter (as many of us do) to accomodate two.

[Steve]

Originally Posted by BluElite

Ok, another question about the SC-25... I was looking at it on the Pioneer site, but I cannot decipher if it is able to accommodate TWO subs or just one. Anyone know??

As others have stated you can always use a simple Y-splitter and they're about $3 at monoprice.com. In case you're not aware, receivers with 2 subwoofer pre-out connections send the exact same signal to each sub, so the end result is the same whether you use a splitter or if your receiver has 2 sub connections.