I am so sick of the word 'FUD'. It's like the geek's version of the Paris Hilton

[kikkomaniac]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

Mmm. i'm no gamer so i'm out of the loop, but hasn't the xBox sold like half a million units monthly on average since launch, and with no competition, and you expect it to suddenly sell TWO million monthly with the PS3 selling next to it?

With that average, the number of 5% add-ons totals falls to less than the initial PS3 shipment..

but I'm no gamer so i'm probably doing mathemathical fud

Actually the xbox360 is selling less than the original xbox at the same time in its life cycle.

The numbers for US:
JUNE: 277,000
JULY: 206,000
AUGUST: 204,000
SEPTEMBER: 259,458

In europe the number is even lower

In japan xbox360 sales are doing horrible selling at about 10.000 units pr. month

These poor sales and xbox360 have been ALONE in the market for a whole year. in less than 2 weeks there will be 2 direct competitors

another nail in the coffin for xbox360

[WriteSimply]

Originally Posted by jayselle

The demographic of the PS3 does not match the demographic of home theater enthusiast or of those with HDTV's. BD is more expensive than DVD. The PS3 only comes with composite cables. So now John Q Kid has to buy a HDMI or component cables that run $70-$100 at your nearest Best Buy assuming Kid has a HDTV.

Ever since the gaming sites and the 360 fanboy blogs reported the purported cost of the HDMI cables, this issue has been blown up. But those in the know and supporters of both BD and PS3 were quick to send notes on these sites that the cables can be had for 10% of US$70. So I don't think it's going to be an issue.

The PS3's lack of an infrared port will also detract a lot of home theater enthusiast looking for a cheaper solution.

The infra red is a small thing. Once the remote is released, there is no stumbling block. Those with universal remotes can whine but in reality, there's only ONE other remote they have to live with.

I would say you are correct that most gamers getting a PS3 are aware of HDTV. Most would probably like to have a 70" 1080p HDTV. Most do not have the means.

Most gamers do not have the means to get a 70". But you don't need 70". Even with a 32" you can notice the video quality difference. You can get a cheap 42" for under US$1000.

Most children (18 and under) receiving this most likely will not have a HDTV. The remaining demographic (18-25) stereotypically does not have the luxury of HDTV and home theater.

If they are children (I classify children as below 14) and getting a PS3, I would bet that their parents are rich enough to get a launch-date PS3. The same parents would already have a HDTV. And if the parents are smart enough, they would probably know what to do with the enclosed Talladega Nights BD provided free with the launch-date PS3.

Not all gamers are alike. And not all gamers have the same or right priorities. It used to be that being a hardcore gamer is frowned upon but now you can make a career as a gamer or a bester tester gamer.

There's no doubt the PS3 has the upper hand with HDMI and better audio support. But keep in mind, it's a gaming console first. To take full advantage of this you will need an expensive receiver as well (for TrueHD). The 360 support TrueHD but it's down mixed to Dolby 5.1.

The starting price for a HDMI receiver with 7.1 is US$300. That's not expensive. And since the PS3 already decodes TrueHD out of the box, that is no problem.

The 10 million may be hopeful, but not impossible. The PS3 will stir up quite a rage like the 360 did last year. Most folks won't be able to get their hands on the PS3; what's the alternative. The PS3 shortage will help the 360.

If you're a parent and you can't give your kids the PS3 they want for Christmas, do you blow US$400++ for a 360 that they don't want or do you present them with an IOU and tell them as soon as it is available, you'll get them one. If you're a teenager or a kid who wants a PS3 as a present and none is available, do you hold out for the IOU or do you take a 360 as a consolation?

If you're a young/adult gamer, and you've kept abreast of the PS3 but can't score one, do you blow US$400 for a console you don't even want?

The idea that a shortage will lure people to the 360 has some logic but I would not bet that 50% of those people will get a 360. I wouldn't even bet that 50% of them would get a Wii.


fuad

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by jayselle

The 10 million may be hopeful, but not impossible. The PS3 will stir up quite a rage like the 360 did last year. Most folks won't be able to get their hands on the PS3; what's the alternative. The PS3 shortage will help the 360.
The 360 has also had the highest accessory attach rate for any console gaming system before. I imagine 10-15% is far more likely for HD-DVD add-ons to be purchased.

The PS3 shortage will help the Wii, not the 360.

Originally Posted by WriteSimply

Ever since the gaming sites and the 360 fanboy blogs reported the purported cost of the HDMI cables, this issue has been blown up. But those in the know and supporters of both BD and PS3 were quick to send notes on these sites that the cables can be had for 10% of US$70. So I don't think it's going to be an issue.

We need to send out a few more notes.

[JTK]

Originally Posted by jayselle

Are you serious? Speaking of standing in a line. What about the PS3 unicorn of 2006?

I would say HD-DVD's weapon has been lower prices, more titles, and outstanding picture and sound.

Unrelated to your post but to the thread starter; Fox was a DIVX hold out so there track record of being the ace card is not what it seems.

You sure you're on the right forum?

[theknub]

i don't mind the response and opinion. stating fud and opinion as fact is one thing while using real facts is another.

feel free to argue, just do it logically and with correct information.

[Zvi]

Originally Posted by jayselle

So now John Q Kid has to buy a HDMI or component cables that run $70-$100 at your nearest Best Buy assuming Kid has a HDTV.

Duuude. Average gamer these days is John Q, not his kid. Especially for $$$ consoles.

[jayselle]

Originally Posted by WriteSimply

Ever since the gaming sites and the 360 fanboy blogs reported the purported cost of the HDMI cables, this issue has been blown up. But those in the know and supporters of both BD and PS3 were quick to send notes on these sites that the cables can be had for 10% of US$70. So I don't think it's going to be an issue.

Yes, HDMI cables can be had for $5 online. But your B&M stores like Best Buy and Circuit City are $70-$100. Those stores aren't in business because people don't buy stuff from there.

The infra red is a small thing. Once the remote is released, there is no stumbling block. Those with universal remotes can whine but in reality, there's only ONE other remote they have to live with.

Small thing for gamers and maybe bigger for others. For me it's a deal breaker for using the PS3 as a blu-ray player.

Most gamers do not have the means to get a 70". But you don't need 70". Even with a 32" you can notice the video quality difference. You can get a cheap 42" for under US$1000.

So you assume people will be buying $1000 HDTV's with their $500 PS3? I doubt you would notice any difference on a 32" especially with anamorphic titles.

If they are children (I classify children as below 14) and getting a PS3, I would bet that their parents are rich enough to get a launch-date PS3. The same parents would already have a HDTV. And if the parents are smart enough, they would probably know what to do with the enclosed Talladega Nights BD provided free with the launch-date PS3.

Look at what market Talladega Nights caters to. You're making quite a few assumptions. My children wouldn't be allowed to hook any of their gaming systems up to my fancy HDTV. They have TV's in their rooms for that, albeit, not HDTV.

Not all gamers are alike. And not all gamers have the same or right priorities. It used to be that being a hardcore gamer is frowned upon but now you can make a career as a gamer or a bester tester gamer.

The starting price for a HDMI receiver with 7.1 is US$300. That's not expensive. And since the PS3 already decodes TrueHD out of the box, that is no problem.

At Best Buy or Circuit City? Not talking ebay here. You also assume they have 7.1 audio setup as well.

If you're a parent and you can't give your kids the PS3 they want for Christmas, do you blow US$400++ for a 360 that they don't want or do you present them with an IOU and tell them as soon as it is available, you'll get them one. If you're a teenager or a kid who wants a PS3 as a present and none is available, do you hold out for the IOU or do you take a 360 as a consolation?

Most kids would be happy with the 360 if they don't already have it. The rain check for the PS3 could last until summer of 2007 if not longer. I can see a lot of conversations playing out like "Little Jonnie, we can't get a PS3, will a 360 work?".

If you're a young/adult gamer, and you've kept abreast of the PS3 but can't score one, do you blow US$400 for a console you don't even want?

Again, most console purchases are game driven. Both consoles have exclusive titles. I don't think one would buy a 360 if they want a certain game only for the PS3. But if one wants a new gaming system to replace their current xbox or PS2 the 360 will be available.

The idea that a shortage will lure people to the 360 has some logic but I would not bet that 50% of those people will get a 360. I wouldn't even bet that 50% of them would get a Wii.
fuad

I agree. There will only be some fall out from the PS3 shortage jumping to the 360. I would be one. I bought my 360 last year and had to search high and low; had the PS3 been available I would of just bought that. I am not much a gamer though. I might play once every month or two. I just attracted by the marketing of "high def" gaming.

[theknub]

Originally Posted by Chris Beveridge

Didn't read it as one, no worries.

Several reasons:

1) Reduces rack space. Right now I have the Toshiba and the Panasonic on top of each other. For the first couple of weeks later this month, the PS3 will be on top of that. It ruins the aesthetic of my component section.

2) I do rent. I've got the latest Fast and the Furious sitting on my desk to be watched for the last couple of weeks. I'll get to it. And I'm sure Universal will put out a few more new flicks that I want to see that are currently HD DVD only.

3) Costs will be negated or I'll come out ahead. I can sell King Kong for $10 easily, and odds are I can sell the HD-A1 for $200.

Should HD DVD prevail in the long run, I've got a player to watch movies in the interim and by then I'll be able to pick up a 4th or 5th gen player for under what I pay for the 360 strap-on.

chris, makes sense. since i don't rent, that never really enters my mind

[partridge]

Jayselle, you're perfectly entitled to opinions, and of course this is a forum to discuss opinions. Personally I believe the PS3 will do a lot for blu-ray, more than the 360 add on will for HD-DVD, but we'll see in time.

I think you're off the mark saying that most PS3's will be bought by parents for their kids, I would say that the early adopter is buying for themselves. I certainly am! But my kids might get a look in...

Videogaming is a very mature market now and those that grew up playing in the 80's are still into them, and now we have the cash to buy these consoles and do them justice with all the required kit.

For me, and this is only my opinion, the 360 is an HD halfway house, rush released; which shows all the more as the fully HD enabled PS3 finally arrives.

MS can patch it all they want, but their "release early and patch it later" approach does not appeal to me. There were 85 changes with the latest firmware release, 85! They might be good changes for the most part, but good grief, this console is barely a year old and it needs that much doing to it?!!

[jayselle]

Did I miss something here or did 25 posts just disappear?

Apparently this forum isn't for me. It's either you scream "BLU-RAY IS THE BEST AND OWNZ YOU" or you get posts deleted.

[theknub]

that isn't like this forum to be honest.

[Kenshiro]

Originally Posted by kikkomaniac

Actually the xbox360 is selling less than the original xbox at the same time in its life cycle.

The numbers for US:
JUNE: 277,000
JULY: 206,000
AUGUST: 204,000
SEPTEMBER: 259,458

In europe the number is even lower

In japan xbox360 sales are doing horrible selling at about 10.000 units pr. month

These poor sales and xbox360 have been ALONE in the market for a whole year. in less than 2 weeks there will be 2 direct competitors

another nail in the coffin for xbox360

You hit the nail right on the head. The 360 has been a lukewarm seller for a year with no direct competition. I blame it on no killer apps and massive hardware failures. Micorsoft just announced that they missed sales marks by 25%. They abandoned their old console like a flaming wreck heading for a brick wall.... meanwhile the PS2 is going out in style delivering killer titles for the fans who can not yet afford the next gen systems. And consumers know and trust Sony's track record with video games sytems, the top two selling video games systems of all time are the PS1 and PS2 because they deliver what gamers want.

Microsoft meanwhile is following in the footsteps of SEGA with the HD DVD add-on. Time has proven that all add-ons will fail, FUD is not going to give add-ons a chance. A non integrated device is like saying.... whoops, we screwed up the first time. And then think about how useless it will be when HD DVD loses support because it does not even play games. Microsoft has even said that they would add-on a blu ray drive if the market goes that way... how's that for HD DVD confidence from a major player in the game?

At least by this time next year all the FUD should be dead.

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by jayselle

Apparently this forum isn't for me.

Well duh! You're a Microsoft and HD-DVD fanboy and have no perception of reality. You claim to hate FUD yet spread it around like marmite.

You're in the wrong place bud, plain and simple. You did read the web address of this site right?

[56@Yamamoto]

monthly sales of North America

2005   PS2    GBA    PSP    XBX    NDS    GCN   X360 
Nov   535k   820k   353k   197k   369k   272k   326k 
Dec  1500k  1213k  1120k   415k  1070k   606k   281k 

2006   PS2    GBA    PSP    XBX    NDS    GCN   X360 
Jan   272k   172k   179k    89k   158k    66k   249k   
Feb   299k   190k   170k    88k   150k    67k   161k  
Mar   273k   201k   186k    83k   184k    63k   192k  
Apr   207k   169k   162k    39k   138k    38k   295k 
May   232k   152k   160k    26k   146k    33k   220k  
Jun   312k   189k   221k    24k   593k    51k   277k  
Jul   241k   163k   161k    12k   377k    44k   206k  
Aug   262k   156k   146k     9k   278k    41k   204k  
Sep   307k   177k   153k     6k   403k    42k   259k

And, sales of Xbox360 except North America are monthly around 100,000s from the middle stage for 2007 years. Presence of X360 in Europe have been considerably weakened after spring.
X360's total sales number form launch to Otc. 2007 seems to be about 4.5million worldwide at most. In Japan, total sales number from launch is under 150 thousands... The reasons is thought about in various ways, but I want to talk next.

[hyperdine]

When the PS2 (almost a 10-year old system) has outsold the XBox 360 for 8 of the last 9 months, I think that speaks volumes about brand positioning and marketplace dominance.

[jayselle]

Is this a cult?

[theknub]

don't get too carried away. more like six or seven years but certainly not 10.

[Chris Beveridge]

Originally Posted by jayselle

Is this a cult?

Not in the slightest. But you ARE visiting a site that is dedicated to talking about a particular format. It's like someone going to a site about romance movies and asking why everyone is talking about romance movies since they suck.

[theknub]

yes, we all drink blu kool aid, where blu shirts, listen to the blu man group, and bust through walls yelling "oh yeah!"

yes, i know blu is really spelled blue, just going with the blu-ray theme

[JTK]

Originally Posted by jayselle

Did I miss something here or did 25 posts just disappear?

Apparently this forum isn't for me. It's either you scream "BLU-RAY IS THE BEST AND OWNZ YOU" or you get posts deleted.

Like I said to you in another thread: Are you sure you're on the right forum?

Doesn't look like it.