I am so sick of the word 'FUD'. It's like the geek's version of the Paris Hilton

[phranctoast]

wow. jayselle has to be the biggest troll ever. Come here just to rile up people with BS... and then simply disapear.

your anti ps3 argument actually looks good for the ps3. Im not understanding your point. You just show how well Sony has future proofed their console. Geeze. next you'll be ripping on the HDD as being a "bad idea".

[dobyblue]

Anyone who states that the ability to not work with their universal remote is a "deal breaker" as opposed to HDMI compatibility, included cables, etc., is totally out to lunch.
Can you say grasping for straws?

[jayselle]

Originally Posted by dobyblue

Anyone who states that the ability to not work with their universal remote is a "deal breaker" as opposed to HDMI compatibility, included cables, etc., is totally out to lunch.
Can you say grasping for straws?

I don't need a remote for the 360. It's a gaming unit and I will not use it as a HD-DVD player.

I had entertained the idea of buying a PS3 for Blu-ray playback until I realized it will not work with a universal remote. I will instead stick with a stand alone player.

My point of the remote is that most home theater enthusiast won't buy the PS3 as a primary BD player for a number of reasons of which no infrared port is a part of.

[theknub]

Originally Posted by jayselle

I don't need a remote for the 360. It's a gaming unit and I will not use it as a HD-DVD player.

I had entertained the idea of buying a PS3 for Blu-ray playback until I realized it will not work with a universal remote. I will instead stick with a stand alone player.

My point of the remote is that most home theater enthusiast won't buy the PS3 as a primary BD player for a number of reasons of which no infrared port is a part of.

that is ignorant thinking. for a remote, A REMOTE!, to be the deciding factor in a format purchase is asinine. i'm sure there will be an IR receiver made available to connect through a usb port. voila, you can use a universal.

[jayselle]

Originally Posted by theknub

that is ignorant thinking. for a remote, A REMOTE!, to be the deciding factor in a format purchase is asinine. i'm sure there will be an IR receiver made available to connect through a usb port. voila, you can use a universal.

Ignorant? I beg your pardon. I understand fully how the PS3 remote works.

For those of us who have our equipment in cabinets and rely on a single remote to control everything this is not ignorant. If you have a wife and kids perhaps you don't want a dozen remotes lying around.

[theknub]

umm, did i say you didn't know how it worked? i don't think so.

what i said to make a decision based simply on the remote is a problem.

you don't like one extra remote, so be it. but to say that is going to be a deal breaker in the format is a ludicrous statement.

if you want a standalone, go for it. i mostly likely will be. but to make blanket statements about a console with this type of ability is wrong.

[jayselle]

Originally Posted by theknub

umm, did i say you didn't know how it worked? i don't think so.

what i said to make a decision based simply on the remote is a problem.

you don't like one extra remote, so be it. but to say that is going to be a deal breaker in the format is a ludicrous statement.

if you want a standalone, go for it. i mostly likely will be. but to make blanket statements about a console with this type of ability is wrong.

You said I was ignorant.

I said it was a deal breaker FOR ME. I didn't say for everyone. There are a lot of home theater enthusiast with setups like mine who I know it's a deal breaker for as well.

[jayselle]

Originally Posted by phranctoast

wow. jayselle has to be the biggest troll ever. Come here just to rile up people with BS... and then simply disapear.

your anti ps3 argument actually looks good for the ps3. Im not understanding your point. You just show how well Sony has future proofed their console. Geeze. next you'll be ripping on the HDD as being a "bad idea".

What BS? Anti-PS3? You are mistaken. I have said the PS3 is a superior machine to the 360. It has greater audio and video capability out of the box. For gaming it has more cpu power but less memory than the 360 of which equally are important.

I am simply questioning the "PS3 is the second coming" attitude and will destroy HD-DVD and the 360.

[theknub]

please tell us in this thread you started that we said it was the second coming? do we think it's going to boost blu-ray? hell yeah, why wouldn't it? even if 1/4 of initial users use blu-ray that is 100,000 units just in the ps3 form compared to what 60k units of hd-dvd? that is a big discrepancy considering that hd-dvd has been out for ~6 months longer.

[partridge]

No one here thinks the PS3 is the second coming, but do bear in mind the title of this website and forum!! You WILL see criticism when it's due, and many early BD movies received plently of that.

But when you compare, like for like, dollar for dollar what you get with the PS3 as an entertainment "hub" and the 360 in the same light, it's clear to most that the 360 is nowhere near the complete package that the PS3 is. Sony delayed a long time, but with good reason.

MS wanted to be first to market, claiming that gamers wanted HD gaming and that the 360 would take gaming to the next level; movies weren't important, 1080p wouldn't happen anytime soon, HDMI wasn't important, etc, etc.

But look at them now, desperately trying to match an unreleased console as best they can with add ons and patches. But still no HDMI.

[jayselle]

Originally Posted by partridge

No one here thinks the PS3 is the second coming, but do bear in mind the title of this website and forum!! You WILL see criticism when it's due, and many early BD movies received plently of that.

But when you compare, like for like, dollar for dollar what you get with the PS3 as an entertainment "hub" and the 360 in the same light, it's clear to most that the 360 is nowhere near the complete package that the PS3 is. Sony delayed a long time, but with good reason.

MS wanted to be first to market, claiming that gamers wanted HD gaming and that the 360 would take gaming to the next level; movies weren't important, 1080p wouldn't happen anytime soon, HDMI wasn't important, etc, etc.

But look at them now, desperately trying to match an unreleased console as best they can with add ons and patches. But still no HDMI.

You're right. The PS3 is more advanced than the 360. I don't think anyone disagrees.

HDMI is only an issue with high definition movies that require HDCP.

You just can't ignore the estimated 10 million 360's out by the end of 2006. Again, with a 10% attach rate of the add-on you are at 1 million HD-DVD drives being used solely for HD-DVD.

It is possible that there could be more HD-DVD add-ons than the total number of PS3's in 2006. The fact that HD-DVD is currently outselling 3 to 1 over BD. The fact there is more HD-DVD titles available. The fact HD-DVD stand alone players are less expensive. The fact a second generation HD-DVD stand alone player will be released before Sony's first.

Those are all facts. Not bandwagon fanboy FUD. I was browsing through the forum and say a lot of statements about how HD-DVD is going down and the 360 is a dying breed and thought to myself, "wow", maybe I should try help them out.

I realize this is BD forum, but I was just trying to bring a little sanity. Sorry.

[theknub]

Originally Posted by jayselle

You're right. The PS3 is more advanced than the 360. I don't think anyone disagrees.

HDMI is only an issue with high definition movies that require HDCP.

You just can't ignore the estimated 10 million 360's out by the end of 2006. Again, with a 10% attach rate of the add-on you are at 1 million HD-DVD drives being used solely for HD-DVD.

It is possible that there could be more HD-DVD add-ons than the total number of PS3's in 2006. The fact that HD-DVD is currently outselling 3 to 1 over BD. The fact there is more HD-DVD titles available. The fact HD-DVD stand alone players are less expensive. The fact a second generation HD-DVD stand alone player will be released before Sony's first.

Those are all facts. Not bandwagon fanboy FUD. I was browsing through the forum and say a lot of statements about how HD-DVD is going down and the 360 is a dying breed and thought to myself, "wow", maybe I should try help them out.

I realize this is BD forum, but I was just trying to bring a little sanity. Sorry.

given that there has been 6 million units sold to date worldwide, 10 million units won't happen by years end. assuming microsoft was able to manufacture 600,000 add-ons that would be a good attach rate. but, given that there have only been ~60k toshiba units sold, i think 600k add-ons is a large stretch. i won't pretend to know, microsoft prob has only manufactured 60k units total for the add-on

[jayselle]

Originally Posted by theknub

given that there has been 6 million units sold to date worldwide, 10 million units won't happen by years end. assuming microsoft was able to manufacture 600,000 add-ons that would be a good attach rate. but, given that there have only been ~60k toshiba units sold, i think 600k add-ons is a large stretch. i won't pretend to know, microsoft prob has only manufactured 60k units total for the add-on

Let's be generous and assume the PS3 will have 1 million PS3 out by years end. Let's also be really nice and assume 25% are used as BD players. That is 250,000 new BD players. That is very nice.

Two sides two every story.

Microsoft says 10 million by end of 2006; let's say 8 million and a 10% attach rate for the HD-DVD add-on. That's 800,000 new HD-DVD players.

This is a little fuzzy but nevertheless makes a point. The PS3 will continue to sell at a rapid rate in 2007 increasing the BD marketshare. The total amount of PS3's will far exceed the HD-DVD and BD stand alone players without a doubt, but what affect that has on BD as is unknown.

[dobyblue]

Where does this 10% attach rate figure come from?

Originally Posted by jayselle

I said it was a deal breaker FOR ME. I didn't say for everyone. There are a lot of home theater enthusiast with setups like mine who I know it's a deal breaker for as well.

Rubbish!