Where did all the great Disney animated films go? - Blu-ray Forum

thorthefifth · 01-29-2010, 12:18 PM

In a past life before beginning a degree in Computer Engineering, I wanted to be a hand animator. I loved the tactile feeling that drawing gave to animation and the beautiful lines that come from pencil or ink. I had a dream to be an animator from age 2 until just a couple years ago when I got into computers. I felt a little bit of myself die inside when there were no more hand drawn animated movies being produced. It's why I switched to a focus on 3d animation and found it cold and impersonal and eventually moved to an education in software/hardware engineering.
I miss the good ole days when the next awesome Disney movie was coming to theaters. Now, other than Pixar's beautiful storytelling, I can't go see a computer animated movie in theaters. I have not been to see a Disney animated movie in theaters(other than pixar) in six or seven years.
I was excited when Disney started bringing the classics out of the vault for Blu-ray and then seeing a new hand-animated movie coming really got me excited and I hope for the sake of newer generations that traditional animation comes back with great stories and fine line work.
(Sorry, I have such a grudge with Disney about this that I have been holding that rant in for years)

Joe Cain · 01-29-2010, 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thorthefifth

(Sorry, I have such a grudge with Disney about this that I have been holding that rant in for years)

Don't apologize. It was a bad decision.

Batman1980 · 01-30-2010, 08:47 PM

Disney was built on hand-drawn animation, not on direct to video or TV movies. I do wonder if the closing of Miramax will have any effect on Disney's animated features but I doubt it.

P@t_Mtl · 01-30-2010, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolverine1980

Disney was built on hand-drawn animation, not on direct to video or TV movies. I do wonder if the closing of Miramax will have any effect on Disney's animated features but I doubt it.

Their direct to video sequels were all terrible. It's a cash cow, easy money. Do little stories about characters and stories that you already have, make them 80 minutes or so long, don't spend to much or art or anything and sell them at full price. People will buy cause it's Disney and it must be good.

BD4ME · 01-30-2010, 11:38 PM

Quality is subjective, meaning that this thread is invalid. But whatever...

I'll add my opinion anyway, I don't think the quality in the official Walt Disney Feature Films (I'll leave DTV's out) has decreased at all. I think they merely took another direction in films, they started making action-esque films in begin 2000's, resulting in failure at the box office; were they bad, no (original story, solid animation, original score). Then 'comedy'-films started popping up afterwards: The Emperor's New Groove, Brother Bear (half comedy/drama) Home on the Range, Chicken Little; were they bad - no; did they fail at the box-office, again the answer would be 'no' - but it wasn't the succes Disney wanted. As a matter of fact the animation in all of the above mentioned films is known for a fact to be better than The Little Mermaid, Aladdin and Beauty and the Beast. In Lilo & Stitch I've only seen one Lilo in the entire film, though I've seen at least 5 Ariel's in The Little Mermaid.

Whether you like it or not these movies are not the definition of bad films - nobody can give a solid reason to why these would be bad, nor can be said that these are worse than everything that pre-dates them. It's always 1) the generally hated upon 2000 films; 2) post-renaissance; 3) different formula/genre; 4) different kind of storytelling; 5) the so-called added 'toilet'-humor. And the list goes on and on, sometimes it seems like people hate these films by default, which isn't really fair.

The Lion King also has some 'toilet'-humor - do people hate it because of that, the answer is 'no'. Beauty and the Beast has sub-par animation - do people hate it because of that, again the answer would be 'no'. Just because something isn't full of diabetes-inducing squeeky talking animals/objects doesn't mean it's not worth watching.

Again the statement ''where have all the 'good' films gone'' is wrong on many levels. You can't say these movies are bad because YOU think they are, or even if 90% of the whole population agrees with you.

I have a few good questions though: what IS the definition of a so-called 'good' film? Does it only involve happily ever afters and princesses? Must it be made in CGI, hand-drawn or stop-motion?

Don't bother answering 'cause there is NO answer.

/Rant over/

P.S. I love Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, The Little Mermaid, Lilo & Stitch, Brother Bear, etc., they were just examples to make a point.

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01-29-2010, 12:18 PM	#1
thorthefifth Senior Member Member since:May 2008 Location:Memphis, TN 4K collection:21 Blu-ray collection:21 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:154	In a past life before beginning a degree in Computer Engineering, I wanted to be a hand animator. I loved the tactile feeling that drawing gave to animation and the beautiful lines that come from pencil or ink. I had a dream to be an animator from age 2 until just a couple years ago when I got into computers. I felt a little bit of myself die inside when there were no more hand drawn animated movies being produced. It's why I switched to a focus on 3d animation and found it cold and impersonal and eventually moved to an education in software/hardware engineering. I miss the good ole days when the next awesome Disney movie was coming to theaters. Now, other than Pixar's beautiful storytelling, I can't go see a computer animated movie in theaters. I have not been to see a Disney animated movie in theaters(other than pixar) in six or seven years. I was excited when Disney started bringing the classics out of the vault for Blu-ray and then seeing a new hand-animated movie coming really got me excited and I hope for the sake of newer generations that traditional animation comes back with great stories and fine line work. (Sorry, I have such a grudge with Disney about this that I have been holding that rant in for years)

01-30-2010, 08:47 PM	#3
Batman1980 Blu-ray Jedi Member since:Feb 2009 Location:District 13 Home Theater Gallery:8 4K collection:146 Blu-ray collection:394 DVD collection:57 Blu-ray reviews:22 Trading Score:48	Disney was built on hand-drawn animation, not on direct to video or TV movies. I do wonder if the closing of Miramax will have any effect on Disney's animated features but I doubt it.

01-30-2010, 11:38 PM	#5
BD4ME Active Member Member since:Nov 2009 Location:The Netherlands Blu-ray collection:79	Quality is subjective, meaning that this thread is invalid. But whatever... I'll add my opinion anyway, I don't think the quality in the official Walt Disney Feature Films (I'll leave DTV's out) has decreased at all. I think they merely took another direction in films, they started making action-esque films in begin 2000's, resulting in failure at the box office; were they bad, no (original story, solid animation, original score). Then 'comedy'-films started popping up afterwards: The Emperor's New Groove, Brother Bear (half comedy/drama) Home on the Range, Chicken Little; were they bad - no; did they fail at the box-office, again the answer would be 'no' - but it wasn't the succes Disney wanted. As a matter of fact the animation in all of the above mentioned films is known for a fact to be better than The Little Mermaid, Aladdin and Beauty and the Beast. In Lilo & Stitch I've only seen one Lilo in the entire film, though I've seen at least 5 Ariel's in The Little Mermaid. Whether you like it or not these movies are not the definition of bad films - nobody can give a solid reason to why these would be bad, nor can be said that these are worse than everything that pre-dates them. It's always 1) the generally hated upon 2000 films; 2) post-renaissance; 3) different formula/genre; 4) different kind of storytelling; 5) the so-called added 'toilet'-humor. And the list goes on and on, sometimes it seems like people hate these films by default, which isn't really fair. The Lion King also has some 'toilet'-humor - do people hate it because of that, the answer is 'no'. Beauty and the Beast has sub-par animation - do people hate it because of that, again the answer would be 'no'. Just because something isn't full of diabetes-inducing squeeky talking animals/objects doesn't mean it's not worth watching. Again the statement ''where have all the 'good' films gone'' is wrong on many levels. You can't say these movies are bad because YOU think they are, or even if 90% of the whole population agrees with you. I have a few good questions though: what IS the definition of a so-called 'good' film? Does it only involve happily ever afters and princesses? Must it be made in CGI, hand-drawn or stop-motion? Don't bother answering 'cause there is NO answer. /Rant over/ P.S. I love Beauty and the Beast, Aladdin, The Little Mermaid, Lilo & Stitch, Brother Bear, etc., they were just examples to make a point.

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