ABC's "Lost" Discussion (2004-2010)

[SolStryke]

ok now that everyone has seen the episode here is what I posted a couple days back based off of the hawaii cam (I added a bit with the new info from ast nights ep)..

[Show spoiler]
I need to go back and watch the pilot episode to see the differences between the original flight, and this new alt-flight. Are there any differences that stand out in your minds? What was the deal with the blood spot on Jacks neck in the airplane bathroom? Was that something he carried over into the alt-flight?

Of course Desmond was the HUGE one. Jack noticed something when he was talking with desmond I think. Is that the true variable that Desmond represents, that he can go between the realities? We know he is outside the normal rules of time.

I also could have sworn Lock was going to say something to Jack when they were getting off the plane together to kind of connect the two timelines. It looks like Juliet kind of did with her final words "it worked"

One last thing, maybe the reason Sayid didnt die and juliet did is because Sayid was on Jacobs list.

[Marine Mike]

Originally Posted by metsfan1545d

wait until the episode airs then come back

obviously people who saw the episodes will be talking about them in here

+4.25

/discussion

[tilapiah6]

I think that when Fake Locke said

[Show spoiler]"I'm very disappointed in all of you"

he was referring to human beings.

What else could it possibly mean, speaking to such a diverse group?

[HockeySlasher]

Okay, so maybe I missed something but,

[Show spoiler]why did it seem as if only Jack had any knowledge about what had transpired? I mean, he looked at Desmond and Locke as if they had obviously met before, but no one else seems to remember anything?

Maybe I'm just over analyzing everything, but I thought when Jack and Locke had the conversation about the airport Jack finally realized that Locke was paralyzed, which is why he asked what happened to him.

[Ator the Invincible]

Originally Posted by SolStryke

ok now that everyone has seen the episode here is what I posted a couple days back based off of the hawaii cam (I added a bit with the new info from ast nights ep)..

[Show spoiler]
I need to go back and watch the pilot episode to see the differences between the original flight, and this new alt-flight. Are there any differences that stand out in your minds? What was the deal with the blood spot on Jacks neck in the airplane bathroom? Was that something he carried over into the alt-flight?

Of course Desmond was the HUGE one. Jack noticed something when he was talking with desmond I think. Is that the true variable that Desmond represents, that he can go between the realities? We know he is outside the normal rules of time.

I also could have sworn Lock was going to say something to Jack when they were getting off the plane together to kind of connect the two timelines. It looks like Juliet kind of did with her final words "it worked"

One last thing, maybe the reason Sayid didnt die and juliet did is because Sayid was on Jacobs list.

When can we drop the spoiler tags on last night's episode? There's even a warning in the thread title now. Anyway, just to be safe...

[Show spoiler]There were actually quite a few differences between this flight and the original. I think it's the butterfly effect of detonating the bomb on (and sinking?) the island 30 years ago. Desmond's able to be there because there was never a hatch for him to be in. It's very possible that Charles Widmore and Eloise Hawking (and the unborn Daniel Faraday) all perished when the island sank. That would have drastically altered Desmond's life. But none of that explains WHY he's on the plane. That could be important.

Another odd change was that Shannon did not accompany Boone back from Australia. Seems like a rather odd change. What about this new timeline caused her to not be on that plane? What dominoes fell differently in her life?

And, perhaps most importantly, Sawyer had longer hair on the plane this time. Apparently detonating the bomb back in 1977 caused a series of events to unfold that prevented him from getting a haircut that week.

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by sfmarine

Wow..that is sad..you're calling me out saying I'm selfish and don't use spoiler tags....I've been using spoiler tags all night to not ruin it for people like you but I think I'll discontinue doing it now.

Yeah, Petra, you have no one to blame but yourself. Why go into the Lost thread knowing full well that people are watching/have watched the premiere and open yourself up to spoilers?

Not only that, once you saw a spoiler, YOU ACTUALLY STAYED HERE.

If that wasn't enough, you began calling people names and in general throwing a temper tantrum.

Here's a suggestion for next Tuesday: Don't come into the thread until after you see the episode.

[Chordata]

This isn't a spoiler, so I'm not putting it in tags (and for crying out loud this thing aired 12 hours ago in the U.S., no tags should be needed.

But was the statue that Jacob was in (the one on the beach, when Richard led Fake Locke and Ben there) the SAME statue as the one Sayid and Sun saw earlier in the series?

I can't recall if it was fully intact when Richard, Ben, etc., came there at the end of season 5. Someone please remind me.

Other than that, great episode! So many things to think about. So many new questions and problems.

By the way, Cuse and Lindelof said

[Show spoiler]it's not an "alternate realty" as I expected; it's actually a "flash-sideways." Additionally, regarding the sunken island, notice that "new Dharmaville" had been built, and the statue was only the foot. This leads to the conclusion that it sank long after 1977... Per Cuse and Lindelof anyway.

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by adrock41

[Show spoiler] Jacob had no choice but to tell Hurly to take Sayid to the temple, knowing he would die. He needed a body to come back in, so he could fight 'Locke'. Sayid is his vessel. Oh most definitely.

Never even thought about that til now!

Duh, it makes perfect sense! Nice catch.

That fits perfectly with the creators' years old statement that

[Show spoiler]"If you see someone die on LOST, they're dead. Also fits in perfectly with Sayid's first words: "What happened?" Jacob wants to know what happened.

[HockeySlasher]

Originally Posted by O_V_N

Never even thought about that til now!

Duh, it makes perfect sense! Nice catch.

That fits perfectly with the creators' years old statement that

[Show spoiler]"If you see someone die on LOST, they're dead. Also fits in perfectly with Sayid's first words: "What happened?" Jacob wants to know what happened.

[Show spoiler]Okay, I almost don't want to bring this up because it may be WAY off base, and because I haven't had time to watch the show again, but I honestly think that Syaid's voice at the end sounded different then his "normal" voice.

I'll have to watch it again.

[Ator the Invincible]

Originally Posted by O_V_N

But was the statue that Jacob was in (the one on the beach, when Richard led Fake Locke and Ben there) the SAME statue as the one Sayid and Sun saw earlier in the series?

I can't recall if it was fully intact when Richard, Ben, etc., came there at the end of season 5. Someone please remind me.[/spoiler]

Yes, it's the same one. Sayid saw a giant foot in season 2. We never saw that foot again until season 5 showed us that, long ago, it was part of a much larger statue. When everyone arrived there to find Jacob in last year's finale, it was only the foot. Sun asked Ben what happened to the rest of the statue and he stated, actually telling the truth for a change, that it had fallen long before he came to the island. She didn't believe him.

[zicmubleu]

It is hard to see how all of this mystery will wrap up cleanly in just 15 more episodes.

[Show spoiler] Didn't Jack meet Desmond at a ballpark running the bleachers years before? He remembered him when he met him in the hatch if I remember that show correctly. Desmond was not on the original flight 815 since he was already on the island and failed to push the button that created the crash incident the show started with. Obviously Desmond is crossing through these alternate realities and hopefully that means we get to see a lot more of his character, he is one of my favorites when Penny is not involved.

I think I am in Ator's camp about what is happening overall.

[Show spoiler] Juliette's words "It worked" are key I think but it is not very clear what or why she said that. She wasn't at the blown up hatch in the original explosion so maybe she realized that they had changed the future/present/past since she ended up there now.

[gtmorgan23]

great episode....

[Marine Mike]

Originally Posted by Ator the Invincible

When can we drop spoilers on last night's episode? There's even a warning in the thread title now. Anyway, just to be safe...

[Show spoiler]There were actually quite a few differences between this flight and the original. I think it's the butterfly effect of detonating the bomb on (and sinking?) the island 30 years ago. Desmond's able to be there because there was never a hatch for him to be in. It's very possible that Charles Widmore and Eloise Hawking (and the unborn Daniel Faraday) all perished when the island sank. That would have drastically altered Desmond's life. But none of that explains WHY he's on the plane. That could be important.

Another odd change was that Shannon did not accompany Boone back from Australia. Seems like a rather odd change. What about this new timeline caused her to not be on that plane? What dominoes fell differently in her life?

And, perhaps most importantly, Sawyer had longer hair on the plane this time. Apparently detonating the bomb back in 1977 caused a series of events to unfold that prevented him from getting a haircut that week.

The thread title states not to view this thread if you do not want to see spoilers, not [User spoiler tags]. Also, talking about an already aired episode isn't considered a spoiler imo.


I really enjoyed the season opener. I'm not sure what to think with Sayid. Jack did pronounce him dead and as they've stated numerous times, you cannot bring anyone back from the dead, 'Dead is Dead' when it comes to the island. So I am leaning towards Jacob being in his body.

I thought that the opening scene with the island being underwater was really significant. Notice how its not as if an atomic bomb went off as it was underwater? If it was blown up, then everything on the island wouldn't be there and it'd be close to a craeter or something to that nature, not 10,000 leagues under the sea.

I was also puzzled about Shannon's disappearance from the plane how Boone was unable to convince her from leaving Australia. Though its not because her body isn't still on the island somewhere as Sayid burried her just like Boone. Not to mention how Hurley's money is now GOOD luck.

Also, why isn't Christian's body on the plane? Jack (now) states that he checked in the casket, so therefore, more than likely, it disappearred after they were teleported back to the event. Do you think that the island took his body as a price to send him back and of course because they were sent back their memories are erased as well.

I really do think that their memories are erased and Jack is just remembering Desmond from the sports stadium and not the island. Of course Jack stared at Kate for a long time as clearly he is attracted to her.

I don't know, thats just my two cents for now.

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by Ator the Invincible

Yes, it's the same one. Sayid saw a giant foot in season 2. We never saw that foot again until season 5 showed us that, long ago, it was part of a much larger statue. When everyone arrived there to find Jacob in last year's finale, it was only the foot. Sun asked Ben what happened to the rest of the statue and he stated, actually telling the truth for a change, that it had fallen long before he came to the island. She didn't believe him.

Ahh, ok thanks. I was beating myself up over that answer. Now I recall that Sun exchange.

I'm interested to find out the relationship between

[Show spoiler]the two "main guys" in the temple, who must be others, and people like Ben and Richard. Why the heck did we never see them before? Why are they hanging out in the same ruins as the Smoke Monster if they're so deathly afraid of him?

Loved, loved, loved the episode.

[Mouse]

So many questions left to be answered but everyone's lives do appear to have been better from the plane crashing. Atleast the survivors.

Oh, and if

[Show spoiler] Locke was wasn't telling the truth about his walkabout then why can't Hurley lie about having good luck?

[Chordata]

Originally Posted by Marine Mike

I really do think that their memories are erased and Jack is just remembering Desmond from the sports stadium and not the island. Of course Jack stared at Kate for a long time as clearly he is attracted to her.

I disagree. I think somehow Jack "remembered" what happened, or he thinks it was a dream, or something. At the beginning of the episode, after the explosion, he sort of startles and looks around confusingly.

He then looked at Cindy, Rose, Bernard, and Desmond confusingly (but not Sayid or Charlie).

Maybe it's just a diversion...

[Ator the Invincible]

Originally Posted by zicmubleu

It is hard to see how all of this mystery will wrap up cleanly in just 15 more episodes.

[Show spoiler] Didn't Jack meet Desmond at a ballpark running the bleachers years before? He remembered him when he met him in the hatch if I remember that show correctly. Desmond was not on the original flight 815 since he was already on the island and failed to push the button that created the crash incident the show started with. Obviously Desmond is crossing through these alternate realities and hopefully that means we get to see a lot more of his character, he is one of my favorites when Penny is not involved.

I think I am in Ator's camp about what is happening overall.

[Show spoiler] Juliette's words "It worked" are key I think but it is not very clear what or why she said that. She wasn't at the blown up hatch in the original explosion so maybe she realized that they had changed the future/present/past since she ended up there now.

Yes, Jack met Desmond before Desmond set off on the boat trip that landed him on the island. But

[Show spoiler]the island is under the ocean now (or rather, in this alternate version of history). Perhaps Charles Widmore perished on the island this time, thus fundamentally changing Desmond's history. He may have never even taken the boat trip this time. Which would mean he never met Jack while training. Remember, Jack recognized Desmond from their first encounter back in season 2. But on the plane last night, he did not. He just thought he seemed familiar. Something changed.

[Marine Mike]

According to the producers in a recent interview regarding the flashbacks:

MAJOR SPOILER!!!!!!!!

[Show spoiler]EW: The whole idea of flash-sideways and the plan to use season 6 to show us a world where Oceanic 815 never crashed — how long has that been in the works? Why did you want to do it?

DAMON LINDELOF: It’s been in play for at least a couple of years. We knew that the ending of the time travel season was going to be an attempt to reboot. And as a result, we [knew] the audience was going to come out of the “do-over moment” thinking we were either going start over or just say it didn’t work and continue on. [We thought] wouldn’t it be great if we did both? That was the origin of the story.

CARLTON CUSE: We thought just doing one [of those options] would inherently not be satisfying. Since the very beginning of the show, characters started crossing through each other’s stories. Part of our desire [in season 6] is to show that there’s still this kind of weave, that these characters still would have impacted each other’s lives even without the event of crashing on the Island. Obviously, the big question of the season is going to be: How do these [two timelines] reconcile? However, for the fans who have not watched the show closely, that’s an intact narrative. You can just watch the flash sideways — they stand alone all by themselves. For the fans who are more deeply embedded in the show, you can watch those flash sideways, compare them to what transpired in the flashbacks and go, “Oh, that’s an interesting difference.”

[zicmubleu]

Originally Posted by Ator the Invincible

Yes, it's the same one. Sayid saw a giant foot in season 2. We never saw that foot again until season 5 showed us that, long ago, it was part of a much larger statue. When everyone arrived there to find Jacob in last year's finale, it was only the foot. Sun asked Ben what happened to the rest of the statue and he stated, actually telling the truth for a change, that it had fallen long before he came to the island. She didn't believe him.

The latest timeframe we saw the whole statue was when the apparent Blackrock was spotted by Jacob and MIB on the beach, the recap episode put it at the mid 1800s I think. The statue was built who knows how far back. What struck me as odd was in the recap episode Ben's narration referred to the Others as the island's original inhabitants but the people inside the temple appear to be another group and probably precede the Others by a long time. Even they may not trace back to the temple and statue builders. Was it just a narration flub, or a misdirect, or something else?

[Ator the Invincible]

Originally Posted by Marine Mike

Also, why isn't Christian's body on the plane? Jack (now) states that he checked in the casket, so therefore, more than likely, it disappearred after they were teleported back to the event. Do you think that the island took his body as a price to send him back and of course because they were sent back their memories are erased as well.

Oh, I forgot about that! The casket DID make it onto the plane the first time through. They found it on the island after the crash (albeit with the body missing). So the missing casket is another variation in the "reboot". Interesting.

And something else that hasn't been brought up yet. What do you think the Others wanted to talk to Jack about at the end of the episode, right before Sayid "woke up"? Could it relate to Christian's presence on the island? Or Claire? Maybe both?