Im looking for the Cinematic Experience (inexpensive)

[theshadow1234]

Those JBLS 3678 are expensive but i bet they sound killer. . Close to $1500.00 a pop. That means i would have to get 2 of these for my fronts and total $3000.00!!! I wonder if i can get something close to that kind of sound but less expensive. Those Polk Lsi's maybe the way to go but to fancy and a little expensive. The speakers that im looking for will hide behind a stage so looks is not what i'm looking for. BTW, anyone heard of Tweak City Audio's Pro-10's? I heard these may get alot of attention soon. I agree with the 7.1 removal. I raelly dont need all those speakers back there so moving to 5.1 speaker setup would probably be the best way to go. Currently I have a polk RM202 center speaker (very Small for such a big stage) with Polk RM101 surrounds sats, a Velodyne VX-10 sub (Which rattles occasionally) and 2 Front Polk Monitor 50s. Are these good speakers and are the frequencies within theatre sound? I think all of these fall within 8ohms impedance. Will my onkyo 805 receiver be able to handle 4ohm speakers all around or would i need to upgrade my receiver?

I haven't really spent time using the Audeseyy setup but maybe i'll mess with it when i get home later today.

Thanks for the help!

[Zman2k2]

Honestly, I don't think you're going to get cinema sound unless you upgrade your speakers. Those Polks you're running for the front are too small for such a large room. You can consider Paradigm Cinema 110 L/R series speakers, if they must be hidden behind the curtains of your room.

Personally, I would go with a larger tower/center front stage, to give you better imaging and sound quality. To keep it under $1000 consider going with Elemental Designs A6-6T6 Towers and center. All black speakers would blend well, and they do sound great. Calling eD would probably get you a deal as well, instead of buying them off the web. They do offer package deals when buying multiple items.

[progers13]

Originally Posted by Zman2k2

Honestly, I don't think you're going to get cinema sound unless you upgrade your speakers. Those Polks you're running for the front are too small for such a large room. You can consider Paradigm Cinema 110 L/R series speakers, if they must be hidden behind the curtains of your room.

Personally, I would go with a larger tower/center front stage, to give you better imaging and sound quality. To keep it under $1000 consider going with Elemental Designs A6-6T6 Towers and center. All black speakers would blend well, and they do sound great. Calling eD would probably get you a deal as well, instead of buying them off the web. They do offer package deals when buying multiple items.

+1. If you go with an eD package, you can get the A6-6T6-MTM (center), A6-6T6-P (LR towers), and the popular A2-300 sub for $888 shipped! That of course includes the 15% discount eD offers for buying multiple items, as the regular price for that package is $1045. Awesome deal and well worth it.

A6-6T6-MTM
A6-6T6-P
A2-300 12" Sub

Just something to consider, but I think you'd be hard pressed to find a better value for less than your budget.

[Zman2k2]

I was actually thinking the big A6-6T6 center. For use in a cinema like the OP has, it would probably provide the best center channel experience. But your option would work nicely as well.

[progers13]

Originally Posted by Zman2k2

I was actually thinking the big A6-6T6 center. For use in a cinema like the OP has, it would probably provide the best center channel experience. But your option would work nicely as well.

The big center would work as well! I was just trying to keep him at or below his $1,000 budget.

[JBL4645]

Originally Posted by theshadow1234

Those JBLS 3678 are expensive but i bet they sound killer. . Close to $1500.00 a pop. That means i would have to get 2 of these for my fronts and total $3000.00!!! I wonder if i can get something close to that kind of sound but less expensive. Those Polk Lsi's maybe the way to go but to fancy and a little expensive. The speakers that im looking for will hide behind a stage so looks is not what i'm looking for. BTW, anyone heard of Tweak City Audio's Pro-10's? I heard these may get alot of attention soon. I agree with the 7.1 removal. I raelly dont need all those speakers back there so moving to 5.1 speaker setup would probably be the best way to go. Currently I have a polk RM202 center speaker (very Small for such a big stage) with Polk RM101 surrounds sats, a Velodyne VX-10 sub (Which rattles occasionally) and 2 Front Polk Monitor 50s. Are these good speakers and are the frequencies within theatre sound? I think all of these fall within 8ohms impedance. Will my onkyo 805 receiver be able to handle 4ohm speakers all around or would i need to upgrade my receiver?

I haven't really spent time using the Audeseyy setup but maybe i'll mess with it when i get home later today.

Thanks for the help!

You can try. Haven’t you tried sorting out the issue that you’re currently faced with? I mean maybe you overlooked something and it’s not the loudspeakers fault, but yours?

Also you don’t want “boom” boom is like coloured smeared sound that masks other low frequencies and you need to hear/feel them all, and only as good as the mix remember if there is no 20Hz content then that’s the way it was mixed.

Also any pictures of the front lift the screen up and lets see what the situation is behind the screen?

Also you need a few basic tools and SPL db meter will only show you sound pressure level nothing more and it’s not even close to accurate unless your aware of the systems frequency response you need an (RTA) Real Time Analyzer to see the state of the frequency response.

So I’d save a bit for simple Behringer DEQ2496 and ECM8000 microphone to see what is happening with the loudspeakers.

[dewd]

Originally Posted by JBL4645

So I’d save a bit for simple Behringer DEQ2496 and ECM8000 microphone to see what is happening with the loudspeakers.

Running Audyssey is a great first step. Done properly, it will give you excellent results (better than spending money on an external solution, IMO). Plus the learning curve is lower.

[JBL4645]

Originally Posted by dewd

Running Audyssey is a great first step. Done properly, it will give you excellent results (better than spending money on an external solution, IMO). Plus the learning curve is lower.

But I have read so many threads where people are grumbling about “it has reduced the bass” If I had such a device I will analyze and see what the situation is before applying it, and afterwards to see if, its done what its designed to do.

Does the Audyssey on all AVR support a video outlet for viewing the frequency response on a video monitor?

[callas01]

Shadow,

I would have to contend that the 2 best systems suggested would be either of these below.

http://www.edesignaudio.com/index.php?cPath=2_42
eD A6-6T6 Tower $500
eD A6-6T6 Center $400
eD A2-300 Sub $350

minus 15% total = $1063

OR
http://saturdayaudio.com/
PSB Image T55 $569
PSB Image C60 $279
eD A2-300 Sub $350

Total $1198

And Lastly I hasn't been mentioned but the Monitor Audio speakers are fantastic speaker that should be looked into also
http://saturdayaudio.com/
Monitor Audio Silver series
RS6 Towers $799
RS LCR $449

Total $1248

I haven't heard the eD speakers but the reviews have been good from end users.

The PSB are fantastic speakers. I heard these once and was really thrilled by the Neutral warmth, but explosive top end.

Monitor Audio speakers are very dynamic, and have great bass and detail throught the mid-range and upper highs. Quite honestly one the best speakers I have heard. For HT these would rock. I know you can't add a sub with this setup, but it is a very good system. Then just save up and add another sub.

[Elvis Is Alive]

Callas, he should get the 6T6 MTM for $195 not the $400 custom center for the eD package. With this he could add a pair of 5TC bookshelfs for $150 to complete a 5.1 system. This would bring total to $1015.75 with 15% package builder discount (free shipping incl.)

[callas01]

Originally Posted by Elvis Is Alive

Callas, he should get the 6T6 MTM for $195 not the $400 custom center for the eD package. With this he could add a pair of 5TC bookshelfs for $150 to complete a 5.1 system. This would bring total to $1015.75 with 15% package builder discount (free shipping incl.)

the larger center would be better for HT and be more immersive, IMO. It would drive more dialog and action to add to the impact of the more important front sound stage.

Once the wife hears the improvement of the front sound stage, I am sure that she will be more then willing to use some extra cash to add the surrounds.

[theshadow1234]

Originally Posted by callas01

Shadow,

I would have to contend that the 2 best systems suggested would be either of these below.

http://www.edesignaudio.com/index.php?cPath=2_42
eD A6-6T6 Tower $500
eD A6-6T6 Center $400
eD A2-300 Sub $350

minus 15% total = $1063

OR
http://saturdayaudio.com/
PSB Image T55 $569
PSB Image C60 $279
eD A2-300 Sub $350

Total $1198

And Lastly I hasn't been mentioned but the Monitor Audio speakers are fantastic speaker that should be looked into also
http://saturdayaudio.com/
Monitor Audio Silver series
RS6 Towers $799
RS LCR $449

Total $1248

I haven't heard the eD speakers but the reviews have been good from end users.

The PSB are fantastic speakers. I heard these once and was really thrilled by the Neutral warmth, but explosive top end.

Monitor Audio speakers are very dynamic, and have great bass and detail throught the mid-range and upper highs. Quite honestly one the best speakers I have heard. For HT these would rock. I know you can't add a sub with this setup, but it is a very good system. Then just save up and add another sub.

Thanks for the links. Im really looking at the first option and I know its hard to say but how close will it sound to the theatre sound in moderate sound proof 15x15 room? I want my wife to be blown away if i go with one of the above setups. A few weeks ago we went to see Avatar and she told me that's the way she wants my setup to sound or be close like it.

Thanks for the info.

[callas01]

Originally Posted by theshadow1234

Thanks for the links. Im really looking at the first option and I know its hard to say but how close will it sound to the theatre sound in moderate sound proof 15x15 room? I want my wife to be blown away if i go with one of the above setups. A few weeks ago we went to see Avatar and she told me that's the way she wants my setup to sound or be close like it.

Thanks for the info.

If she wants to be blown away, then the Monitor Audios would be both detailed and have the highs that can sound loud and theater like, and still have the deep bass front sound stage.

I am sure if you get that going and then tell her, hey, the sub needs to be replace too. Then look at the Hsu VTF-2 MK3 or eD A2-300, A3-300 or the SVS PB-12 and possible the Outlaw LFM1-plus.

[jdub]

Originally Posted by theshadow1234

Thanks for the links. Im really looking at the first option and I know its hard to say but how close will it sound to the theatre sound in moderate sound proof 15x15 room? I want my wife to be blown away if i go with one of the above setups. A few weeks ago we went to see Avatar and she told me that's the way she wants my setup to sound or be close like it.

Thanks for the info.

I would go with the psb setup. Everybody who owns them loves them. My super uptight audiophile friend loves them and was blown away they started as an internet based company because they are now carrying them in his store. I think you will be happy with whatever you get though. I just think the psb have a better look to them

[dewd]

Originally Posted by JBL4645

But I have read so many threads where people are grumbling about “it has reduced the bass” If I had such a device I will analyze and see what the situation is before applying it, and afterwards to see if, its done what its designed to do.

Does the Audyssey on all AVR support a video outlet for viewing the frequency response on a video monitor?

Lots of folks doing it wrong and/or so used to bloated, boomy bass that when they hear properly calibrated bass they think it is wrong.

Check this guide out for instructions: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post14456895

As for viewing the output, that is not really possible (with the limited resources the AVR has). This is not a 7 or 9 band PEQ. It literally sets hundreds of points.

[JBL4645]

Originally Posted by dewd

Lots of folks doing it wrong and/or so used to bloated, boomy bass that when they hear properly calibrated bass they think it is wrong.

Check this guide out for instructions: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post14456895
As for viewing the output, that is not really possible (with the limited resources the AVR has). This is not a 7 or 9 band PEQ. It literally sets hundreds of points.

Blimey it reads like telephone book!

How many bands per channel does the Audyssey have for LCRS/LFE.1?

Boomy is often commonly around the 30Hz to 40Hz from what I’ve noticed in my living room and that is just not good enough and needs to be attended too.

[dewd]

Originally Posted by JBL4645

Blimey it reads like telephone book!

How many bands per channel does the Audyssey have for LCRS/LFE.1?

Boomy is often commonly around the 30Hz to 40Hz from what I’ve noticed in my living room and that is just not good enough and needs to be attended too.

It doesn't work like that. There are no 'bands' and 'channels'. Have a look at the Audyssey website for even more 'phone book' material

BTW - On the subject of speakers... Everyone will recommend their favorites, but in the end you have to listen to what you like. Only way to know is go out and demo. Demo everything even if you can't afford it. This way you will know what you like. I'm also a big advocate of internet direct companies. You will almost always get more for your money from SVS, ED, Axiom, etc. The ID companies give you 30-45 days to demo the speakers in your home (the BEST way to demo).

[kingofgrills]

Originally Posted by theshadow1234

Those JBLS 3678 are expensive but i bet they sound killer. . Close to $1500.00 a pop. That means i would have to get 2 of these for my fronts and total $3000.00!!! I wonder if i can get something close to that kind of sound but less expensive. Those Polk Lsi's maybe the way to go but to fancy and a little expensive. The speakers that im looking for will hide behind a stage so looks is not what i'm looking for. BTW, anyone heard of Tweak City Audio's Pro-10's? I heard these may get alot of attention soon. I agree with the 7.1 removal. I raelly dont need all those speakers back there so moving to 5.1 speaker setup would probably be the best way to go. Currently I have a polk RM202 center speaker (very Small for such a big stage) with Polk RM101 surrounds sats, a Velodyne VX-10 sub (Which rattles occasionally) and 2 Front Polk Monitor 50s. Are these good speakers and are the frequencies within theatre sound? I think all of these fall within 8ohms impedance. Will my onkyo 805 receiver be able to handle 4ohm speakers all around or would i need to upgrade my receiver?

I haven't really spent time using the Audeseyy setup but maybe i'll mess with it when i get home later today.

Thanks for the help!

For the moment, spend some time calibrating your current system with Audyssey. You can't give it a fair evaluation until it is set up properly. Your next step should be to upgrade your front sound stage and subwoofer. Don't skimp on either, because you will regret it later.

If you really want to get a lot of bang for the buck, I would suggest auditioning Monitor Audio's Bronze Reference line. It has been highly rated for both sound and finish, and it ranges from towers to large standmounters and bookshelf speakers. They carry a lot of depth to them and bass definition. Plus, they look and sound better than many speakers that cost hundreds more. Specifically, I would recommend checking out the BR5 Towers or the BR2 Standmounters. Here is some info for you:

BR Lineup
http://www.monitoraudiousa.com/products/bronze-br

BR 5 Towers
http://www.monitoraudiousa.com/produ...br/br5/reviews

BR2 Standmounters
http://www.monitoraudiousa.com/produ...br/br2/reviews

Although I don't own Monitor Audios, I have installed them in a few systems for friends, and they have been thrilled with the results. For anyone constrained by a budget, but who appreciates great sound, I would recommend checking them out.