If WB had not given HD-DVD those exclusive titles - Blu-ray Forum

SS316SRV · 10-24-2007, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Bullseye

Would HD-DVD be still in the race? It seems to me quoting a fellow member, "they gave HD-DVD a legs up" when this war could have been won early on by Blu Ray.

FUD.
Warner has been a shinning light for HDM consumers. They have not done anything to assist in the format war, but they have made some good decisions that have benefited owners of both HD formats. Let us applaud Warner, not question them.

whippersnapper · 10-24-2007, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SS316SRV

FUD.
Warner has been a shinning light for HDM consumers. They have not done anything to assist in the format war, but they have made some good decisions that have benefited owners of both HD formats. Let us applaud Warner, not question them.

I'll applaud then when the go Blu-ray exclusive, give top notch encodings to the Blu-ray discs and thus largely end all the uncertainty that is holding up the migration to hi-def. It would be a real "ballsy" move by Warners if they announced that toward the end of this year.

Xerious · 10-24-2007, 07:27 PM

all this warner FUD needs stop. people starting these things are beyond rediculous. be happy for what you got not what you could be getting if this or that... not even funny anymore.

Luis_A51 · 10-24-2007, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SS316SRV

FUD.
Warner has been a shinning light for HDM consumers. They have not done anything to assist in the format war, but they have made some good decisions that have benefited owners of both HD formats. Let us applaud Warner, not question them.

There you go on that high-horse again.

Point is HDDVD has Matrix and Batman begins and we dont. Would they have won the war for us way back then? I dont think so, but it sure added to their software and player sales, and had they been dual-format, we'd probably see a wider gap by now.

Also as much as I love warner movies, they havent exactly been fabulous in terms of PQ/SQ. I dont want to be negative, but I dont want to worship them either

SS316SRV · 10-24-2007, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Luis_A51

There you go on that high-horse again.

Point is HDDVD has Matrix and Batman begins and we dont. Would they have won the war for us way back then? I dont think so, but it sure added to their software and player sales, and had they been dual-format, we'd probably see a wider gap by now.

Also as much as I love warner movies, they havent exactly been fabulous in terms of PQ/SQ. I dont want to be negative, but I dont want to worship them either

I agree with your second and third points. Once again, a lot of Warner movies is better than no Warner movies. I am happy with the ones that I have.

The high horse comment must come from me stating my opinion...because it couldn't pertain to the FUD claim, because I was not the only person who thought so.

marzetta7 · 10-24-2007, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by SS316SRV

FUD.
Warner has been a shinning light for HDM consumers. They have not done anything to assist in the format war, but they have made some good decisions that have benefited owners of both HD formats. Let us applaud Warner, not question them.

Ahhh, not so much. Yes, they have been for the most part neutral, but the HD DVD bias they show is fairly glaring. I'll take my previous statement back when we see The Matrix, Batman Begins, and V for Vendetta all on Blu-ray with top notch encodes, not regurgitated HD DVD encodes. Until then though, I for one think the criticism of Warner is justified from a Blu-ray standpoint.

Bullseye · 10-24-2007, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by marzetta7

Ahhh, not so much. Yes, they have been for the most part neutral, but the HD DVD bias they show is fairly glaring. I'll take my previous statement back when we see The Matrix, Batman Begins, and V for Vendetta all on Blu-ray with top notch encodes, not regurgitated HD DVD encodes. Until then though, I for one think the criticism of Warner is justified from a Blu-ray standpoint.

I agree. I am all for supporting WB (I've bought 10 of there titles last month) and plan on picking up another 5 titles this week. I would still prefer if they gave us BD standard PCM.

Bullseye · 10-24-2007, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SS316SRV

FUD.
Warner has been a shinning light for HDM consumers. They have not done anything to assist in the format war, but they have made some good decisions that have benefited owners of both HD formats. Let us applaud Warner, not question them.

Whats wrong with questioning them? Why no PCM on BD releases for starters.

dakota81 · 10-24-2007, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Bullseye

Whats wrong with questioning them? Why no PCM on BD releases for starters.

I just picked up two Warner releases yesterday and they both have PCM.

Luis_A51 · 10-24-2007, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by dakota81

I just picked up two Warner releases yesterday and they both have PCM.

Bullseyes point still stands. The vast majority of Warner releases have lower quality audio. And the PQ is good, but not great. Ill continue buying them because quite frankly they made some of my favorite movies. But im not overly impressed with their specs.

Bullseye · 10-24-2007, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by dakota81

I just picked up two Warner releases yesterday and they both have PCM.

I'm glad to hear it. Which titles? I applaude WB if they start utilizing the ability of BD over HD-DVD in the audio aspect. For the record i am not anti-WB but i do question their "Neutrality" with so many exclusive titles to HD-DVD. The sooner the better they release those titles onto BD the better.

radagast · 10-24-2007, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by SS316SRV

FUD.
Warner has been a shinning light for HDM consumers. They have not done anything to assist in the format war, but they have made some good decisions that have benefited owners of both HD formats. Let us applaud Warner, not question them.

Talk about FUD. If they were a shining light, they would not have titles that are only on dud, especially now. Until they release everything on Blu that is also on dud, they are assisting one side in the war. Good decisions, my colon.

Also, if they are such a shining light, their Blu releases would not simply be VC-1 transfers from dud and they would have given them a better video codec.

That being said, I do have some WB Blu discs.

tron3 · 10-24-2007, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SS316SRV

FUD.
Warner has been a shinning light for HDM consumers. They have not done anything to assist in the format war, but they have made some good decisions that have benefited owners of both HD formats. Let us applaud Warner, not question them.

So when they made "300" for HD DVD and simply converted the sector size to put that same 30gb movie on a BD I should applaud them for cheating me out 20 GB of additional impact of blu-ray? Or as some of us like to call it, "The Warner Effect". God as my witness, even before I knew this information, I watched the movie and thought it looked great, but was still missing something. Probably the bit rate.

Looks like they did the same with The Polar Express. So I am passing on it for now. Titles like that are going on my "dvd gift list". Not paying MY money for that short changed crap.

If Paramount follows suit at the end of 2008, then we can all look forward to TransFUDers on blu-ray. Won't that be grand - NOT.

"Sorry, my bad." -Optimus Prime / Transformers

dobyblue · 10-24-2007, 08:56 PM

HD DVD was dead writhing on the ground from a killer Q1 from Blu-ray, then Warner announced The Matrix and Fox pulled out of the game.

That was a nasty turning point this year.

HD DVD was friggin' writhing man I'm telling you. It was a sorry state of affairs in March on all the boards for HD DVD supporters.

Probably will be more of the same this coming March too, except this time, Blu-ray will not take its foot off HD DVD's throat like it did this year.

SS316SRV · 10-24-2007, 09:03 PM

I do agree that Warner has dropped the ball with some of their transfers, using HD DVD specs. I enjoyed 300, I enjoyed Planet Earth, the Kuprick movies, ect. I also own The Fugitive, which is a terrible transfer, but a good movie. Yes they have prolonged this and kept one format from dominating. Yes Batman Begins and Matrix and V would be great, but I am happy that Warner is still trying to give release on both formats to let their fans enjoy their movies. Some Warner movies are better than no Warner movies.

Teazle · 10-24-2007, 09:08 PM

The last Warner discs I watched were The Wild Bunch and The Getaway. In each case the very last thing on my mind was e.g. "Why no AVC, where's my PCM audio," etc etc. Instead I was thinking: looking good for such an old film and what a great title to have in my collection. Purism about PQ and AQ, carried to an extreme, would ruin a person's enjoyment of these decent presentations of cinematic culture.

GasCat · 10-24-2007, 10:08 PM

I purchased a ton of WB movies at a fantastic price and am very happy with their quality. I agree with Teazle, if you look at the film in HD and compare it to the included original trailer in SD the difference in quality is remarkable.

Compare this company to Universal/Paramount. Don't think for one second that WB was not offered money to go HD-DVD only. The difference is they said NO. WB rocks! If you want to help Blu there are many other companies you can attack. This isn't one to go after.

kamiller42 · 10-24-2007, 10:18 PM

I would question the BDA's moves or lack of moves before questioning the WB. Why is profile 1.1 product not in place for Christmas 07? Where's the PS3 profile 1.1 official announcement? Why are some BDA members supporting HD DVD with hardware product? What does that say?

Then again, setting up and executing the BOGO sale was pretty slick. But we need more than sales to end the war.

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10-24-2007, 07:27 PM	#3
Xerious Special Member Member since:Mar 2007 Location:Washington, DC Blu-ray collection:238 Blu-ray reviews:4	all this warner FUD needs stop. people starting these things are beyond rediculous. be happy for what you got not what you could be getting if this or that... not even funny anymore.

10-24-2007, 08:56 PM	#14
dobyblue Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Jul 2006 Location:Ontario, Canada Home Theater Gallery:71 4K collection:55 Blu-ray collection:655 Blu-ray reviews: 15	HD DVD was dead writhing on the ground from a killer Q1 from Blu-ray, then Warner announced The Matrix and Fox pulled out of the game. That was a nasty turning point this year. HD DVD was friggin' writhing man I'm telling you. It was a sorry state of affairs in March on all the boards for HD DVD supporters. Probably will be more of the same this coming March too, except this time, Blu-ray will not take its foot off HD DVD's throat like it did this year.

10-24-2007, 09:03 PM	#15
SS316SRV Blu-ray Guru Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Appleton, WI Blu-ray collection:74	I do agree that Warner has dropped the ball with some of their transfers, using HD DVD specs. I enjoyed 300, I enjoyed Planet Earth, the Kuprick movies, ect. I also own The Fugitive, which is a terrible transfer, but a good movie. Yes they have prolonged this and kept one format from dominating. Yes Batman Begins and Matrix and V would be great, but I am happy that Warner is still trying to give release on both formats to let their fans enjoy their movies. Some Warner movies are better than no Warner movies.

10-24-2007, 09:08 PM	#16
Teazle Power Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Canada Blu-ray reviews:1	The last Warner discs I watched were The Wild Bunch and The Getaway. In each case the very last thing on my mind was e.g. "Why no AVC, where's my PCM audio," etc etc. Instead I was thinking: looking good for such an old film and what a great title to have in my collection. Purism about PQ and AQ, carried to an extreme, would ruin a person's enjoyment of these decent presentations of cinematic culture.

10-24-2007, 10:08 PM	#17
GasCat Special Member Member since:Jan 2007 Blu-ray reviews:1	I purchased a ton of WB movies at a fantastic price and am very happy with their quality. I agree with Teazle, if you look at the film in HD and compare it to the included original trailer in SD the difference in quality is remarkable. Compare this company to Universal/Paramount. Don't think for one second that WB was not offered money to go HD-DVD only. The difference is they said NO. WB rocks! If you want to help Blu there are many other companies you can attack. This isn't one to go after.

10-24-2007, 10:18 PM	#18
kamiller42 Active Member Member since:Sep 2007 Blu-ray collection:1 Blu-ray reviews:1	I would question the BDA's moves or lack of moves before questioning the WB. Why is profile 1.1 product not in place for Christmas 07? Where's the PS3 profile 1.1 official announcement? Why are some BDA members supporting HD DVD with hardware product? What does that say? Then again, setting up and executing the BOGO sale was pretty slick. But we need more than sales to end the war.

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