Up-conveting HD to Super HD???

[BlueThunder]

Hi all,

Recently joined the Blu community when I purchased a 60GB Playstation 3, reduced to 529euro with 1 movie, 1 extra controller, remote and 1 game. Not a bad deal for us here in the EU and wanted to get this before the 40GB took over (Lack of USB, BC, and memory card).

I must admit that the first movies that I have got are some of the Paramount titles brefore they are sold out (MI, payback and Italian job).

At the moment I only have a 27in Samsung TV and while the BD movies are crystal clear there is not a hugh difference from upconverted DVD. Does anyone have experience between a 27in HD ready and say a 40in Full HD TV. Is there a noticable difference to be seen?

Now to the title of the tread. Since we are able to upconvert 480 to 720 or 1080 with quite good results that is a definite improvment over 480, is it not possible (if the TV's are available) to upconvert blu-ray from 1080p to say 2160p resolution. any opions welcome.

[SS316SRV]

What if we upconverted Super HD to "Magic HD". The problem is with a resolution that big, you would need to sit pretty close to a HUGE screen to even see a difference.

Yes there would be a big difference between your 27" screen and a 40" screen (in my opinion). You would notice more of a difference between blu-ray and an upconvert.

Oh and welcome to the forum.

[tron3]

Originally Posted by BlueThunder

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At the moment I only have a 27in Samsung TV and while the BD movies are crystal clear there is not a hugh difference from upconverted DVD. Does anyone have experience between a 27in HD ready and say a 40in Full HD TV. Is there a noticable difference to be seen?
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Assuming your 27" Samsung is an HDTV,you will see some. HDTV's of that size are still only 720p. Assuming it is SD TV, the difference is night and day.

You want a TV which has HDMI and supports 1080p/24p for blu-ray. Welcome to the club.

[Deciazulado]

Originally Posted by BlueThunder

Now to the title of the tread. Since we are able to upconvert 480 to 720 or 1080 with quite good results that is a definite improvment over 480, is it not possible (if the TV's are available) to upconvert blu-ray from 1080p to say 2160p resolution. any opions welcome.

Yes it is possible.

[fronn]

Upconversion of BR in the future is oddly where I think the format has the biggest advantage. DVD almost always looks flawless on a 480p TV... but once you put it on an HDTV you start seeing how terrible the vast majority of the encodes really are.

I see no reason to believe BR and HD DVD won't be the same way (probably to a lesser extent though). The ridiculous high bitrate AVC encodes should help prevent it looking like garbage on newer and better TVs and Projectors as they come out. The shortsightedness of the "good enough" crowd is just going to hurt everyone.

All of the problems with BR will be fixed over time (probably over the next year even)... none of the problems with HD DVD can ever really be fixed (30gb size, bitrate limit, toshiba alienating CE companies by cutting prices far too rapidly). I can't really understand why otherwise, seemingly, intelligent forum goers on AVS can be so blind.

[zoon_ii]

Originally Posted by SS316SRV

What if we upconverted Super HD to "Magic HD".

when's THAT coming out? i want it.

[BlueThunder]

Thanks all for the welcome.

I know the question is hypothetical and may or may not be an issue in the future. Just a bit of speculation really.

So what size screen do you think you would need that a 1080P input would start to look pixelated, and would benefit from up-conversion or "Magic HD".

Are we talking 70in 100in or more. For anyone with a projector, that may be reaching this size is there any info on how large a 1080P projection can go and still look clear from say 12feet.

[mdm1699]

Originally Posted by zoon_ii

when's THAT coming out? i want it.

Careful! It will burn your retinas. The pic is so sharp it requires protective goggles.

[Manco]

WTF? SUPER-HD????????????

Shit guys...throw all your gear away and start over.

RUMOR: WB going SUPER-HD exclusive!!

[tron3]

Originally Posted by BlueThunder

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So what size screen do you think you would need that a 1080P input would start to look pixelated, and would benefit from up-conversion or "Magic HD".

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I don't think the question is valid for the mere fact HDTV's should have a sharpness setting to prevent such things. Coupled with the appropriate viewing distance, pixelation shouldn't be a major issue. The problem is so many people are getting HDTV's that are bigger than the room for comfortable viewing. Status is over riding better judgement.

My new 26" HDTV is a good 8 feet from my eyes in my bedroom and is pretty comfy to watch. Any larger and I'd have to stand in the corner to watch it. Then again, I may be adjusting to over 15 years of having a 13" in that same spot.

In my humble opinion, a room tv should occupy maybe 33% to 66% of your field of vision. Depending on your favorite viewing position. Too big a picture is like sitting front row at the theater. Simply too much visual information to enjoy the movie.

[Storm501]

Originally Posted by tron3

I don't think the question is valid for the mere fact HDTV's should have a sharpness setting to prevent such things. Coupled with the appropriate viewing distance, pixelation shouldn't be a major issue. The problem is so many people are getting HDTV's that are bigger than the room for comfortable viewing. Status is over riding better judgement.

My new 26" HDTV is a good 8 feet from my eyes in my bedroom and is pretty comfy to watch. Any larger and I'd have to stand in the corner to watch it. Then again, I may be adjusting to over 15 years of having a 13" in that same spot.

In my humble opinion, a room tv should occupy maybe 33% to 66% of your field of vision. Depending on your favorite viewing position. Too big a picture is like sitting front row at the theater. Simply too much visual information to enjoy the movie.

Like anything else blu-ray will give way to newer more advanced technologies on the HD/Super HD front...but its years if not decades away till we get something close to 4k in the home. I suggest you enjoy your HD experience and just demand better encoded transfers to blu-ray in the mean-time.