The Official Paradigm Speakers Thread

[Fors*]

Originally Posted by Ryan Peddle

My setup consists of a NAD T175 pre/pro, and M25 7 x 160 power amp.

Power is not an issue obviously. The M25 is a beast, and I can biamp if needed.

Here are a couple of dilemas with this decision. I have the money for the Studio 60s, but in the long run I will/would want the Studio 100s, but the cost quite a bit more. So if I save a little longer I can get the 100s.

But getting the 100s poses another issue (one that is probably solvable), in that, at night when my wife goes to bed, I turn off my Sub12 via the T175, and set my mains to large. Right now, my mains are a DIY tower with ok bass, but I think the 100s would provide enough bottom end, that I would be getting the "honey, I thought i asked you to turn the sub off".

Decisions, decisions.

My philosophy is to never "settle" on something, especially because you already admit that you will eventually get the 100's. You"ll end up spending more money by getting the 60's first, so I say save the extra $$$ now and then get the 100's. By the way, power is obviously NOT a problem for you....nice gear!

[Geezer00003]

Originally Posted by Ryan Peddle

My setup consists of a NAD T175 pre/pro, and M25 7 x 160 power amp.

Power is not an issue obviously. The M25 is a beast, and I can biamp if needed.

Here are a couple of dilemas with this decision. I have the money for the Studio 60s, but in the long run I will/would want the Studio 100s, but the cost quite a bit more. So if I save a little longer I can get the 100s.

But getting the 100s poses another issue (one that is probably solvable), in that, at night when my wife goes to bed, I turn off my Sub12 via the T175, and set my mains to large. Right now, my mains are a DIY tower with ok bass, but I think the 100s would provide enough bottom end, that I would be getting the "honey, I thought i asked you to turn the sub off".

Decisions, decisions.

Get the 100's!
Also a sound therapy device for your wife.
Something with white noise to cover your nocturnal habits.
Howabout headphones.......I hate headphones lol.


http://www.marpac.com/sound_cond.asp

[azereus]

Good thing that the issue of wattage/power came up recently in this thread because it's something that I hadn't even considered in my purchase decision up to this point.

I've been trying to save up so that I can extend my budget to Studio 60s and a CC-590. However, that would be the max I can spend so there's no room for any other toys in the near future.

My receiver is a Yamaha HTR-6160 (RXV663 if that's more recognizable). I have a bad feeling that receiver won't be enough to properly drive the studio 60s. Can anyone confirm or comment?

Are there any actual risks with this type of setup or would I just not being getting the most out of the speakers?

Thanks guys

[Fors*]

Originally Posted by azereus

Good thing that the issue of wattage/power came up recently in this thread because it's something that I hadn't even considered in my purchase decision up to this point.

I've been trying to save up so that I can extend my budget to Studio 60s and a CC-590. However, that would be the max I can spend so there's no room for any other toys in the near future.

My receiver is a Yamaha HTR-6160 (RXV663 if that's more recognizable). I have a bad feeling that receiver won't be enough to properly drive the studio 60s. Can anyone confirm or comment?

Are there any actual risks with this type of setup or would I just not being getting the most out of the speakers?

Thanks guys

The 663 has a nice amp to it, so you should be fine. But to be honest, the only way to really get the most of the 60's would be to add an external amp. And the 663 has pre-outs just for something like that....however, it is just too bad your budget will be exhausted on the speakers. I say save for an amp. But you will be fine in the meantime with the 663, but it will limit what you will get from the 60's.

[erict]

Originally Posted by Fors*

The 663 has a nice amp to it, so you should be fine. But to be honest, the only way to really get the most of the 60's would be to add an external amp. And the 663 has pre-outs just for something like that....however, it is just too bad your budget will be exhausted on the speakers. I say save for an amp. But you will be fine in the meantime with the 663, but it will limit what you will get from the 60's.

RX-V663 bench test via UltimateAVmag.

RX-V663’s left channel, from Multi input to speaker output with two channels driving 8-ohm loads continuously at 1 kHz, reached 0.1% distortion at 166.7 watts and 1% distortion at 190.7 watts. Into 4 ohms, the amplifier reached 0.1% distortion at 218.0 watts and 1% distortion at 245.9 watts.

With five channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads, the amp reached 0.1% distortion at 60.0 watts and 1% distortion at 74.9 watts. With seven channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads, it reached 0.1% distortion at 47.3 watts and 1% distortion at 57.8 watts.

Yamaha's stated distortion of 0.09% was reached at 46.9 watts with seven channels driving 8-ohm loads. This is roughly half of the 95Wpc specified by the manufacturer, which could be why the AVR seemed to run out of gas at higher listening levels.

Here is the link:
http://www.ultimateavmag.com/avrecei...63/index7.html

[Fors*]

Originally Posted by erict

RX-V663 bench test via UltimateAVmag.

RX-V663’s left channel, from Multi input to speaker output with two channels driving 8-ohm loads continuously at 1 kHz, reached 0.1% distortion at 166.7 watts and 1% distortion at 190.7 watts. Into 4 ohms, the amplifier reached 0.1% distortion at 218.0 watts and 1% distortion at 245.9 watts.
With five channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads, the amp reached 0.1% distortion at 60.0 watts and 1% distortion at 74.9 watts. With seven channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads, it reached 0.1% distortion at 47.3 watts and 1% distortion at 57.8 watts.

Yamaha's stated distortion of 0.09% was reached at 46.9 watts with seven channels driving 8-ohm loads. This is roughly half of the 95Wpc specified by the manufacturer, which could be why the AVR seemed to run out of gas at higher listening levels.

Wow, based on what I hear about the 665 and it's amplification and weight, I would have thought the 663 would have performed better.

[erict]

Originally Posted by Fors*

Wow, based on what I hear about the 665 and it's amplification and weight, I would have thought the 663 would have performed better.

Well they say the 665 uses the same amp section so I would think the bench test would be the same. Yamaha will not confirm that they both use the same amp section though

[Fors*]

Originally Posted by erict

Well they say the 665 uses the same amp section so I would think the bench test would be the same. Yamaha will not confirm that they both use the same amp section though

Interesting as I have read that the 665 is a good bit lighter in weight than the 663.....so you would think something changed with the amp?

[azereus]

Originally Posted by erict

RX-V663 bench test via UltimateAVmag.

RX-V663’s left channel, from Multi input to speaker output with two channels driving 8-ohm loads continuously at 1 kHz, reached 0.1% distortion at 166.7 watts and 1% distortion at 190.7 watts. Into 4 ohms, the amplifier reached 0.1% distortion at 218.0 watts and 1% distortion at 245.9 watts.

With five channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads, the amp reached 0.1% distortion at 60.0 watts and 1% distortion at 74.9 watts. With seven channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads, it reached 0.1% distortion at 47.3 watts and 1% distortion at 57.8 watts.

Yamaha's stated distortion of 0.09% was reached at 46.9 watts with seven channels driving 8-ohm loads. This is roughly half of the 95Wpc specified by the manufacturer, which could be why the AVR seemed to run out of gas at higher listening levels.

Here is the link:
http://www.ultimateavmag.com/avrecei...63/index7.html

I'm no expert by any stretch, but this doesn't sound too favorable to me???

Sooooooo, this receiver + Studio 60 may not work out well?

[erict]

Originally Posted by Fors*

Interesting as I have read that the 665 is a good bit lighter in weight than the 663.....so you would think something changed with the amp?

My exact reasoning as well. I e-mailed Yamaha about this and they will not disclose that info So I'm not sure they are the same other then what I have read from others.

[Fors*]

Originally Posted by azereus

I'm no expert by any stretch, but this doesn't sound too favorable to me???

Sooooooo, this receiver + Studio 60 may not work out well?

It won't hurt the speaker in the short term....but I would start saving for an amp. The 60's will not sound nearly as well as when you auditioned them (assuming you did and more than likely they had an amp tied to it) with the 663. Even an AVR with a good bench test as my SC-05 still can't do what an amp can and have them open up like they are capable of. Personally, I am getting an amp shortly for my newly purchased (used) Monitor 7 v.3's and CC-370 v.3.

[callas01]

Originally Posted by Fors*

Interesting as I have read that the 665 is a good bit lighter in weight than the 663.....so you would think something changed with the amp?

the true replacement for the 663 is the 765, the 665 i read once is about 42 wpc. but don't expect the 765 to be any better then the 663, I think all they did was add some extra HDMI inputs....

[erict]

Originally Posted by azereus

I'm no expert by any stretch, but this doesn't sound too favorable to me???

Sooooooo, this receiver + Studio 60 may not work out well?

It may work out fine but you may not get the full potential from the speakers. You might not have munch headroom unless you add an amp down the road.

[azereus]

Originally Posted by Fors*

It won't hurt the speaker in the short term....but I would start saving for an amp. The 60's will not sound nearly as well as when you auditioned them (assuming you did and more than likely they had an amp tied to it) with the 663. Even an AVR with a good bench test as my SC-05 still can't do what an amp can and have them open up like they are capable of. Personally, I am getting an amp shortly for my newly purchased (used) Monitor 7 v.3's and CC-370 v.3.

Oh I've auditioned them several times. At the dealer they appear to be powered by a seperate Anthem amp I believe.

I was just kind of ignorantly hoping that they would sound just as nice when powered by my Yamaha.

Oh decisions decisions....

[callas01]

Originally Posted by azereus

I'm no expert by any stretch, but this doesn't sound too favorable to me???

Sooooooo, this receiver + Studio 60 may not work out well?

What about getting the Monitor Series like the Monitor 11s and the either the CC290 or CC390(prefered), then use the rest of the money on an Emotiva amp, like a 2 or 3 channel one..... since the price difference is between 500-600....

Still it will blow your Entry level polks out of the water

[erict]

Originally Posted by callas01

the true replacement for the 663 is the 765, the 665 i read once is about 42 wpc. but don't expect the 765 to be any better then the 663, I think all they did was add some extra HDMI inputs....

Ding, ding, ding we have a winner. I am having a brain fart. The 765 is the replacement for the 663

[azereus]

Originally Posted by callas01

What about getting the Monitor Series like the Monitor 11s and the either the CC290 or CC390(prefered), then use the rest of the money on an Emotiva amp, like a 2 or 3 channel one..... since the price difference is between 500-600....

Still it will blow your Entry level polks out of the water

Interesting thing about the Monitor series... When I finally dragged the wife into the speaker store she instantly didn't like the LOOK of the Monitor series.

So I think if I can't swing the Studios, my next option is the SE series (pair of SE3 and a SE center) although that could change a thousand times in between now and then.

[callas01]

Originally Posted by azereus

Interesting thing about the Monitor series... When I finally dragged the wife into the speaker store she instantly didn't like the LOOK of the Monitor series.

So I think if I can't swing the Studios, my next option is the SE series (pair of SE3 and a SE center) although that could change a thousand times in between now and then.

really I hardly even see a difference between the SE3 and M11.... IDK, maybe its just me...

[Fors*]

Originally Posted by erict

Ding, ding, ding we have a winner. I am having a brain fart. The 765 is the replacement for the 663

Why do so many people compare the 663 to the 665 then?

[callas01]

Originally Posted by Fors*

Why do so many peolpe compare the 663 to the 665 then?

That is all people see...