Lord of the Rings Trilogy (Theatrical Versions) - April 6, 2010 - Page 226 - Blu-ray Forum

kpkelley · 03-23-2010, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet

Did Bill compare it directly to the HDTV version?

There are two separate debates going on:

1. that the LOTR BDs don't look good period.
2. that the LOTR BDs don't look quite as good as the HDTV broadcast.

It sounds like Bill and RAH only commented about number one.

That can be true, while at the same time these BDs may not look as good as the HDTV feed which had slightly more detail.

I didn't see more detail, just a sharper image. They are not one and the same.

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Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet

Any projector or processor that performs 3-2 pulldown for the 1080p conversion of the 1080i60 HDTV feed would resolve interlacing issues since it's a true-frame source.

Not all such conversions are created equal. There would still be smoother motion and fewer motion artifacts from the progressive blu-ray than the interlaced hdtv broadcast.

One other thing screenshots can't show us is whether or not the "grain" people believe they are seeing in the hdtv screenshots are not in fact digital noise created from the transfer.

I haven't seen the blu as of yet, and am reserving judgement on it's quality, but I find it hard to believe that the HDTV broadcast could be superior.

Q? · 03-23-2010, 04:02 PM

Just think, whoever posted the Blu-ray & HDTV rip must've purposefully mixed

the two of them, just to witnesss this discussion going on now

Stinky-Dinkins · 03-23-2010, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by kpkelley

I didn't see more detail, just a sharper image. They are not one and the same.

You must not be looking very hard then.

http://comparescreenshots.slicx.com/comparison/43821

On the Blu Ray version his pores magically disappear and he turns into a wax statue.

rileyparrish · 03-23-2010, 04:04 PM

Look at the pic Eric uploaded of the title screen with Frodo sitting against the tree...look long and hard at the grass. Not only is the picture more colorful but the grass is more detailed!

Blaumann · 03-23-2010, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

You must not be looking very hard then.

http://comparescreenshots.slicx.com/comparison/43821

On the Blu Ray version his pores magically disappear and he turns into a wax statue.

Check out the background in the HDTV cap. It's full of blocking noise artefacts. Or check out his cheek, more artefacts. Maybe it's just my monitor....

P@t_Mtl · 03-23-2010, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by rileyparrish

Probably pan & scaned to 1.78:1 and butchered with commercials...and in Canada we don't even get TBS or PeachtreeTV HD yet.

The broadcast here in Canada was 1.78:1 but in French they actualy show less commercials, they do that a lot for late night movies.

Maggot · 03-23-2010, 04:13 PM

If the screenshots are to be believed and have been captured correctly, then Warner indeed performed another one of their botch jobs. Sure, they are going to look better the DVD versions, but not by much from what the screenshots show. These movies are way too new and way too well shot for them not to look ridiculously good on Blu-ray. IE: they should look like the best Blu-ray has to offer. EVERYONE was expecting that and the expectation was not unreasonable, but in fact 100 percent correct. Heck, the Lowery Bond Blu-rays beat these and those movies are a heck of a lot older. As far as "professional" reviewers(the very thought is absolutely hilarious), they can't be trusted, PERIOD.

Fors* · 03-23-2010, 04:17 PM

With the tone of recent posts, I am getting the feeling I must be on the AVS website....but this may explain a lot too.

Stinky-Dinkins · 03-23-2010, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Fors*

With the tone of recent posts, I am getting the feeling I must be on the AVS website....but this may explain a lot too.

You keep criticizing people who are talking about the disc's image quality of not staying "on topic," but all you've posted is "I care about audio quality," a definition of the word subjective (super useful,) and other completely unrelated things 5 thousand times - nothing of substance.

Just because you don't care about image quality doesn't mean this isn't the place for it.

HeManster03 · 03-23-2010, 04:31 PM

I don't know, I've seen screencaps before(not saying these ones) that didn't do the release justice. I do know I have all 3 saved on my hd dvr and watched them the other day and FOTR looked terrible, so I have a hard time believing the blu will look worse than it did on TNTHD. I say we settle it like this....people that like the screen caps better, stick with the broadcast versions of the movies. Those, like myself, that want to clear the space from their dvr and want an audio mix that isn't 5.1 DD can buy the movies on April 6. I do know one thing though, when we get these movies home and we decide that to us the transfer looks jsut like Bill Hunt said it did, then I have a feeling their will be a sh*t storm headed the way of the screen cap defenders. Not saying I'll be one of them because I have better stuff to do then bash people on a forum, but I will definately be on here to watch the fireworks. lol

Fors* · 03-23-2010, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Grand Bob

I think this may be an example of "not seeing the forest for the trees". I am fairly confident that the BD's will be superior to any other available format, and I will enjoy immersing myself in the total audio/video experience on April 6.

This is the philosophy I am taking Bob. By the way, I hope all is well with the little one....

radagast · 03-23-2010, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

So what you're claiming is whoever (the multiple people actually) posted the version comparisons altered the Blu Ray shots to make them look worse?

Honestly?

You can't be that dumb.

No that's not what I am claiming. Do you personally know ANYONE posting these so-called screen captures? If not, then can YOU be that dumb to trust something from someone you don't know?

radagast · 03-23-2010, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by neo78956

So far so good, two professional reviewers gave the set very high scores. Can we all just relax now? Sheesh...

Obviously not.

Grand Bob · 03-23-2010, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Fors*

This is the philosophy I am taking Bob. By the way, I hope all is well with the little one....

Yes, I am focusing on appreciating the movies, for which I have waited so long; I'll worry about how many pixels were violated later! The newest granddaughter is doing great and we are already planning her first trip to Disneyland (somewhat premature, but the planning is fun).

radagast · 03-23-2010, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike2060

No, because the reviewers are wrong.

And they have seen the real Blu-ray discs.

Witch King of Angmar · 03-23-2010, 04:39 PM

Fellowship of the ring is the most powerful movie in the trilogy. Anyone agree?

AintNoSin · 03-23-2010, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by neo78956

So far so good, two professional reviewers gave the set very high scores. Can we all just relax now? Sheesh...

LOL. On this site? For these movies? That'll be the day.

kpkelley · 03-23-2010, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by radagast

No that's not what I am claiming. Do you personally know ANYONE posting these so-called screen captures? If not, then can YOU be that dumb to trust something from someone you don't know?

Eric.exe posts screenshots all the time, and they've been accurate in the past. Keep in mind that the images will look different when viewed on a monitor or even through a pc on a television than the blu-ray would in your player.

There was a big guffaw about his screenshots from Gladiator and they proved to be accurate.

Fors* · 03-23-2010, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grand Bob

Yes, I am focusing on appreciating the movies, for which I have waited so long; I'll worry about how many pixels were violated later! The newest granddaughter is doing great and we are already planning her first trip to Disneyland (somewhat premature, but the planning is fun).

I am working my way through FOTR again, but only slowly. I thought I would be further into it than I am.

My kids are 5 and 1 and have not been there yet, but they will I figure, as all kids go there. I am interested to see how long my 5 year old daughter is willing to sit next to me and watch FOTR on blu before she "wanders" off. I'll give it 20 minutes, tops.

radagast · 03-23-2010, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SpaceDog

I can tell you that I trust Bill Hunt and Robert Harris far more than I trust any (or all) screenshot scientist.

Why? Just because they have the REAL Blu-rays to look at? (He said sarcastically)

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03-23-2010, 04:04 PM	#4504
rileyparrish Member Member since:Apr 2009 Blu-ray collection:6	Look at the pic Eric uploaded of the title screen with Frodo sitting against the tree...look long and hard at the grass. Not only is the picture more colorful but the grass is more detailed! Last edited by rileyparrish; 03-23-2010 at 04:09 PM.

03-23-2010, 04:13 PM	#4507
Maggot Blu-ray Guru Member since:Oct 2009 Location:United States 4K collection:643 Blu-ray collection:1342 DVD collection:49 Blu-ray reviews:81	I think some people here are in denial If the screenshots are to be believed and have been captured correctly, then Warner indeed performed another one of their botch jobs. Sure, they are going to look better the DVD versions, but not by much from what the screenshots show. These movies are way too new and way too well shot for them not to look ridiculously good on Blu-ray. IE: they should look like the best Blu-ray has to offer. EVERYONE was expecting that and the expectation was not unreasonable, but in fact 100 percent correct. Heck, the Lowery Bond Blu-rays beat these and those movies are a heck of a lot older. As far as "professional" reviewers(the very thought is absolutely hilarious), they can't be trusted, PERIOD. Last edited by Maggot; 03-23-2010 at 04:22 PM.

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HeManster03 Senior Member Member since:Oct 2008 Location:Northeast Ohio Home Theater Gallery:49 Blu-ray collection:4 Blu-ray reviews:1	I don't know, I've seen screencaps before(not saying these ones) that didn't do the release justice. I do know I have all 3 saved on my hd dvr and watched them the other day and FOTR looked terrible, so I have a hard time believing the blu will look worse than it did on TNTHD. I say we settle it like this....people that like the screen caps better, stick with the broadcast versions of the movies. Those, like myself, that want to clear the space from their dvr and want an audio mix that isn't 5.1 DD can buy the movies on April 6. I do know one thing though, when we get these movies home and we decide that to us the transfer looks jsut like Bill Hunt said it did, then I have a feeling their will be a sh*t storm headed the way of the screen cap defenders. Not saying I'll be one of them because I have better stuff to do then bash people on a forum, but I will definately be on here to watch the fireworks. lol

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