Lord of the Rings Trilogy (Theatrical Versions) - April 6, 2010

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Only Andie McDowell can solve this problem at this point.

[radagast]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

Yes, that master was done before the BD's, long before.

That's why Fellowship looks so lackluster, it's using that same old master.

And yes, suppose Eric put the DISH broadcast of the HDTV version he has on BluRay, when it comes to image quality, it would look better than the BD's.

It's blatantly obvious. THe BD of Felloship looks virtually identical to the HDTV version + added DNR. There's not a chance in Hell they remastered it.

So they added DNR to the HD master of FOTR, but TTT and ROTK were left alone? If so, that would be very strange. It seems that no one disputes that TTT and ROTK look good on the BRs coming out. So they must have NOT screwed with them, but they did mess up FOTR? If that makes sense to you, then well...Eric is always right and cannot make a mistake.

[mrpink134]

Hello my name is Eric.exe I take screen caps for all you believers out there!

I say the moon is purple and have a screen cap, you all most follow me.

[radagast]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

Again, and now we're coming full circle for the 500th time, I'll ask you the same thing I asked you when you said that the first time - are you claiming those screens are somehow faulty? What exactly are you implying here? Some vague statement about how "so and so is not infallible, so and so makes mistakes." Yeah, OK fine, I agree. Nobody is perfect. So are you saying those screens are deceptive? Are you saying he's made a mistake here?

Then I say the same thing I said the first time, those screens are 100% accurate. They are not deceptive, they are not inaccurate.

I'm not implying anything. I am saying exactly what I mean. I am not assuming that Eric is always correct. You are. I am not assuming that because Eric has been correct in the past that Bill Hunt must be turning into a Ron Enderle for the movie companies. You are assuming that. I am not placing all my eggs in the Eric basket.

You reacting negatively to positive, or slightly positive reviews, with the presumption that Eric is always correct, and his equipment and software is always working at 100%. Therefore Eric is the standard by which to judge everyone else's reviews of LOTR on BR. I hope Eric doesn't ask you to drink any kool-aid. If you were to ask someone with a degree in philosophy about this, they could tell you the fallacy of your logic. I am not saying Eric is not correct. I want to hear from everyone who can give an intelligent evaluation first.

[Mike2060]

Originally Posted by radagast

So they added DNR to the HD master of FOTR, but TTT and ROTK were left alone? If so, that would be very strange. It seems that no one disputes that TTT and ROTK look good on the BRs coming out. So they must have NOT screwed with them, but they did mess up FOTR? If that makes sense to you, then well...

Have you seen the TTT pics posted earlier in this thread? They looked awful because of their DNR.

[sub24ox780]

There is dnr in all three movies just used sporadically through the films Radagast.

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by radagast

I'm not implying anything. I am saying exactly what I mean. I am not assuming that Eric is always correct. You are. I am not assuming that because Eric has been correct in the past that Bill Hunt must be turning into a Ron Enderle for the movie companies. You are assuming that. I am not placing all my eggs in the Eric basket.

Do you think those screens Eric posted are accurate? Simple question. You don't seem to be able to answer it directly.

I'm not assuming anything about Bill Hunt, I don't even know what that means, man. I haven't mentioned him once or referenced him in any way.

[Todd Smith]

Originally Posted by radagast

So they added DNR to the HD master of FOTR, but TTT and ROTK were left alone? If so, that would be very strange. It seems that no one disputes that TTT and ROTK look good on the BRs coming out. So they must have NOT screwed with them, but they did mess up FOTR? If that makes sense to you, then well...

PLEASE explain the HDTV vs blu ray comparison shots then......Fact is they did add DNR. What more proof do you need??

Also, TTT and RotK have DNR added, just to a lesser degree.

[kpkelley]

Originally Posted by radagast

So they added DNR to the HD master of FOTR, but TTT and ROTK were left alone? If so, that would be very strange. It seems that no one disputes that TTT and ROTK look good on the BRs coming out. So they must have NOT screwed with them, but they did mess up FOTR? If that makes sense to you, then well...

It's more likely that the DNR was applied to blend with some special effects, allowing for progressively less DNR as the effects improved from one film to the next. That's just speculation.

[DetroitSportsFan]

Originally Posted by sub24ox780

I can use ffdshow to grab at 100% png and post a grab from anyframe you want from the the return of the king or the two towers

Thanks for your efforts, but don't bother.

You will be accused of "making a mistake" or taking "faulty" screencaps, even though the software does it all and it's basically impossible to screw up.

Or maybe you'll be categorized as part of the anti-LOTR conspiracy!

[Batman1980]

Just ordered the LoTR novella for $2 off Amazon 3rd party, looking forward to reading it again at some point.

[Mike2060]

Originally Posted by HAVOKK

Well I have to say, the second in the series is looking more like a BD. Certainly has its moments when the crispness and clarity shines through, although these moments are still rare. Regardless, rarity is more than nothing, so I definitely give The Two Towers a higher VQ rating than the first in the series.


Some Screens:

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bump for TTT DNR

[sub24ox780]

Good point detroitsportsfan, this is crazy, I mean I love the films too but I am not going to let that cloud the what is really there

[Mike2060]

Xylon posted this screen a while ago (year+) in the Dark City comparison thread, so I'm not sure what the source is. Anyways, I think it looks awesome:

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You can compare it to the BD:

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[Beta Man]

1) Get off the "moon" discussion.... it's just insults at this point, and mostly aimed at someone who isn't even a member of this forum (at least I don't think)

2) Remember, you can attack the logic or lack there of in a post.... but leave the personal insults out of it...... rather than saying "you're dumb" refute the posts with facts or opinions.

3) Yes, people are commenting on the screen caps without seeing the actual Blu-rays, but it's important to note that we have an entire "screenshot" thread where people take great screen shots with camera/tri-pod, as well as computer captured images....... I don't see anyone saying the computer captured images don't have any validity there....

4) I've seen numerous screen shots that looked great, and then received a great looking Blu-ray, but I have never seen a grouping of terrible screen shots only to buy/rent the Blu-ray and find that it looked great in motion......

5) and finally..... if you want to say one glowing review outweighs 5 terrible ones, that's fine..... but you should probably come up with a reason why you feel the consensus of reviewers is wrong.


EDIT:

This thread has gotten "Gladiator Ugly" (much like the Blu-ray itself) There are those who received the Gladiator and said "after all of this negative talk, I think it looks great"

THAT IS FINE...... that's one person's opinion and he/she probably doesn't scrutinize the image quality, or really 'care' about the DNR and EE applied.... they simply aren't sensitive to it..... THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT..... Arguing that it doesn't exist though is tough..... as you would have to find a way to prove your point vs. the countless people who see it clearly with their own eyes, including professional reviewers.

[Grand Bob]

Seeing as how this is one of the most groundbreaking and profitable movie trilogies ever produced, is there anyone on this forum that DOESN'T think that every Warner and New Line executive, as well as everyone involved with the production of the movie, including Peter Jackson, has not or will not see this BD release?

[Grand Bob]

Seeing as how this is one of the most groundbreaking and profitable movie trilogies ever produced, is there anyone on this forum that DOESN'T think that every Warner and New Line executive, as well as everyone involved with the production of the movie, including Peter Jackson, has not or will not see this BD release?

[dcowboy7]

Im not waiting until 2012.

ps -can we all use BOLD now....its fun & it makes it seem so cooler.

[threefiftyrocket]

Originally Posted by Grand Bob

Seeing as how this is one of the most groundbreaking and profitable movie trilogies ever produced, is there anyone on this forum that DOESN'T think that every Warner and New Line executive, as well as everyone involved with the production of the movie, including Peter Jackson, has not or will not see this BD release?

I don't know, but I'm really looking forward to starting the LotR: Fellowship in my hardcover edition when I get home... ITS TOLKIEN READING DAY for crying out loud!!! And I am still eager to watch this movie on Blu when it comes out... and enjoy EVERY STINKIN MINUTE OF IT!!!

[DetroitSportsFan]

Originally Posted by dcowboy7

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ps -can we all use BOLD now....its fun & it makes it seem so cooler.

Wow, I do feel cooler!