Lord of the Rings Trilogy (Theatrical Versions) - April 6, 2010

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by Q!

I don't know about that, I think he would want all of the movies have the same look and quality, Fellowship has gotten much flak for its PQ and the later two much higher scores, it doesn't make sense if he wanted the jump in quality.

FoTR was shot on super35 and always looked soft. The other 2 always looked a bit better, that all 3 of them received a big jump in PQ from the blu-ray transfers means WB did a good job. Could they have done a better job? Sure and I hope they do it soon bu I'm happy with what we have for now.

[SquidPuppet]

Originally Posted by Kryptonic

I haven't seen the Blu-Ray yet, so I can't comment yet, but in general the film has always been soft which could inadvertently be misconstrued as DNR. The film print itself did have an artificial look to it as well, I'd like to point out.

I was referring mostly to the many issues that Ken pointed out. Those things seem inherent to the transfer process. Soft is fine by me, because thats how it looked in theaters, but the other problems sound scary bad.

If you read the rest of what Vincent wrote, he describes in detail what could be done to make it great. A lot of $ required, yes, but it can be done.

[emgesp]

Originally Posted by Wolverine1980

FoTR was shot on super35 and always looked soft. The other 2 always looked a bit better, that all 3 of them received a big jump in PQ from the blu-ray transfers means WB did a good job.

Sarcasm? I hope.

[Chiyo_chichi]

All possible excuses in my heart I truly believe these complaints stem from another WB crap job and nothing more. I really think Fox, Paramount, these other guys would have done it right.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by emgesp

Sarcasm? I hope.

Not sarcasm. I honestly think these movies are being judged on a harsher scale than they should be simply because of what they are. I get that, I really do, I'm a huge LoTR fan myself. I think WB realizes that they could've done better or they wouldn't be telling reviewers not to post screen grabs of the blu-rays. I will get this set and hold out hope for an improved one down the line.

[emgesp]

Yeah, but supporting such craptastic releases doesn't do any good in regards to helping put a stop to these butcher jobs.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by Wolverine1980

Not sarcasm. I honestly think these movies are being judged on a harsher scale than they should be simply because of what they are.

I sort of agree with you on this. We can expect probably the same thing wiht Indiana Jones & Star Wars later on.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by emgesp

Yeah, but supporting such craptastic releases doesn't do any good in regards to helping put a stop to these butcher jobs.

Neither does nonstop bashing of the transfers or the studio that made them on a private forum. The correct course of action, as posted by insider Jeff Kleist and reviewer Kenneth Brown, is to politely and calmly contact WB and tell them how you feel and what they could've done better.

[emgesp]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

I sort of agree with you on this. We can expect probably the same thing wiht Indiana Jones & Star Wars later on.

Oh Jesus don't freaking say that.

[Q?]

Originally Posted by Wolverine1980

FoTR was shot on super35 and always looked soft. The other 2 always looked a bit better, that all 3 of them received a big jump in PQ from the blu-ray transfers means WB did a good job. Could they have done a better job? Sure and I hope they do it soon bu I'm happy with what we have for now.

According to IMDb the source formate for all the movies are Super 35, I don't know what that means, but looks like they all could look have the same quality.

Originally Posted by Wolverine1980

Not sarcasm. I honestly think these movies are being judged on a harsher scale than they should be simply because of what they are. I get that, I really do, I'm a huge LoTR fan myself. I think WB realizes that they could've done better or they wouldn't be telling reviewers not to post screen grabs of the blu-rays. I will get this set and hold out hope for an improved one down the line.

And I'm really confused as to what you're really saying

[emgesp]

Originally Posted by Wolverine1980

Neither does nonstop bashing of the transfers or the studio that made them on a private forum. The correct course of action, as posted by insider Jeff Kleist and reviewer Kenneth Brown, is to politely and calmly contact WB and tell them how you feel and what they could've done better.

Don't worry they will remaster the movies for the eventual EE Blu-ray set.

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by emgesp

Oh Jesus don't freaking say that.

He simply means that when those two beloved franchises finally hit blu-ray, there will be fans and blu-ray collectors who scream to high heaven about the transfers, regardless of how good they are.

[mredman]

Originally Posted by Kryptonic

I love how people completely disregard the facts of the films history, how it was processed and made. Projectionists in this very thread who ran prints of FOTR have said that it has always had a soft look to it, while the other two did not mostly because of the post production process, which was different between the first and the other two films. This is a part of the film. I myself, who saw the film upwards of 10 times in theaters, can attest to the fact that the film always looked soft and somewhat artificial in theaters. It was not shot or processed to look ultra sharp and grainy like something that Michael Bay or Tony Scott would make. The Blu-Ray, from everything I've seen and heard seems to replicate the original look of the theatrical experience and in many ways, outdoes the theatrical prints. And let's not forget that Jackson approved these transfers as well. Ultimately, I think people have just gotten their hopes up wanting this release to be something that it can't be and I think those of us who understand the history of the film and the way it was shot and processed, will love seeing these films in the best presentations yet made available to the public.

Thank you, that is all.

It seem like some will never be satisfied. Yes FOTR has always been soft. And if it has always been soft, of course it will look like that on blu ray as well. But in the best presentation it can

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by Q!

According to IMDb the source formate for all the movies are Super 35, I don't know what that means, but looks like they all could look have the same quality.

And I'm really confused as to what you're really saying

Good job and could've done better are not the same thing. I think, considering the source(especially for FoTR) that WB did a good job, however considering the popularity and impact of these films they certainly could've done better.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by emgesp

Oh Jesus don't freaking say that.

What I mean is that these are titles that are eagerly awaited. Like Jurassic Park or Back To The Future. They have a mystic and importance to fans because of what they mean and the way we feel about them. They could be 150% perfect and most likely there would still be critics and bashing on them because of expectations that are set at level in fans mind that are just impossible.

[emgesp]

Originally Posted by Wolverine1980

He simply means that when those two beloved franchises finally hit blu-ray, there will be fans and blu-ray collectors who scream to high heaven about the transfers, regardless of how good they are.

Well if they are loaded with a healthy dose of DNR then I see nothing wrong with complaing.

[emgesp]

Yeah, but why add DNR to an already soft source? They added more DNR for the Blu-ray release.

[SquidPuppet]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

I sort of agree with you on this. We can expect probably the same thing wiht Indiana Jones & Star Wars later on.

I have to disagree. A lot of BIG NAME, highly anticipated films have arrived and received praise because the disc was great. Wizard of Oz, Gone with the Wind, Godfathers etc. People would have freaked ot if those had poor PQ. My 2 cents.

[SquidPuppet]

Originally Posted by Wolverine1980

He simply means that when those two beloved franchises finally hit blu-ray, there will be fans and blu-ray collectors who scream to high heaven about the transfers, regardless of how good they are.

Originally Posted by SquidPuppet

I have to disagree. A lot of BIG NAME, highly anticipated films have arrived and received praise because the disc was great. Wizard of Oz, Gone with the Wind, Godfathers etc. People would have freaked ot if those had poor PQ. My 2 cents.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by SquidPuppet

I have to disagree. A lot of BIG NAME, highly anticipated films have arrived and received praise because the disc was great. Wizard of Oz, Gone with the Wind, Godfathers etc. People would have freaked ot if those had poor PQ. My 2 cents.

I did not mean the quality, I mean the expectation. As good as GWTW or Casablanca are as movies they do not have the cult following of every nerds in the universe who are setting their expectation so high in their minds that no matter what is done, there is no way to make them happy.