Lord of the Rings Trilogy (Theatrical Versions) - April 6, 2010

[mredman]

Originally Posted by Tempest

You mean Warner Brothers right? Because New Line is no more.. Warner owns it now. It is Warner Brothers that are cheap and do crap work.

Here comes the warner brothers bashing again

[toef]

Are there are pictures of these supposed 2002 HD screencaps to compare? I'd like to see what all the fuss is about, and after skimming quickly through a couple pages, I didn't see any.

[Todd Smith]

Youtube user review of the TE blu ray trilogy.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYY2kEL2kqE

[gregmasciola]

Originally Posted by toef

Are there are pictures of these supposed 2002 HD screencaps to compare? I'd like to see what all the fuss is about, and after skimming quickly through a couple pages, I didn't see any.

Here's a link to a site with some comparisons: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1237167

Some don't show much difference, but others from the blu-ray look kind of crappy, like the one of Gandhalf entering Bilbo's place. The texture of his beard and his clothes is almost gone on the blu-ray image.
I'm waiting for the extended editions anyway, but I might rent these just to check it out. I can't really judge the transfer until I see the whole movie (in motion).

[Diesel]

Originally Posted by toef

Are there are pictures of these supposed 2002 HD screencaps to compare? I'd like to see what all the fuss is about, and after skimming quickly through a couple pages, I didn't see any.

http://forums.highdefdigest.com/blu-...x-reviews.html


Here's a couple from each of the movies.

DVD vs MPEG-2 vs Blu-ray



Would anyone happen to have a DVD capture of the infamous Gandalf Wax-beard shot?
I'd be curious to see that comparison to the blu-ray/HDTV.



We are officially within a week of seeing this things for ourselves.

[billzfan]

Originally Posted by Diesel

http://forums.highdefdigest.com/blu-...x-reviews.html


Here's a couple from each of the movies.

DVD vs MPEG-2 vs Blu-ray



Would anyone happen to have a DVD capture of the infamous Gandalf Wax-beard shot?
I'd be curious to see that comparison to the blu-ray/HDTV.



We are officially within a week of seeing this things for ourselves.

Wow! The Blu-ray is a very marked improvement over the DVD.

[Sith]

Originally Posted by mjbethancourt

If you have the old DVDs from 2001-2004, you should take another look at them:

The PQ on FotR is distinctly inferior to that of the other two films. Every complaint in the review of the blu-ray of FotR is something that is also present in the DVD version. Why? Because the original post-production on FotR was not as good as on the other two films. It was a learning process for them, and their deadlines were next to impossible. As awesome and pains-taking as these films were made, they were rushed. For a couple years there, they had a film or two on release simultaneous with pick-up shooting and post-production on another (or two); post-production on RotK continued past every deadline pretty much all the way up to the release date, they had to use workprints for the pre-release exhibitions, (often to their great embarrassment: ever hear about the upside-down-Pelennor-fields-battle at the New York premiere?) There is visible image-inconsistency from one film to the next, always was. For crying out loud... the Gollum in FotR is completely different from in the other two: at the time of release, New Line still hadn't even given them a greenlight on Mo-Capping Andy Serkis, they were pushing for a free-animation of Gollum.

I haven't seen the Blu-ray yet, obviously, but I think WB is being unfairly crucified over what can't be helped. Is there detectable DNR? Probably, but if you really want to be a dick about that, well the fact is that most blu-rays do have some DNR, and if that's a dealbreaker for you, then you're beating your head against the wall, and you should probably just take a pass on blu-ray altogether. Good Lord! That has quickly become the poser's mantra around here: "I can detect DNR in this release... it is less than perfect, and my perception is awesome! Let us boycott the evil WB, for they have introduced imperfection into the perfect world of blu-ray!" Get over yourselves! Stop patting yourself on the back just because you can spot differences in picture quality. Most of you can't tell the difference between digital noise, film grain, broadcast interference, and just plain white noise.
Films have visible differences in picture, because they are not all filmed under identical conditions. Did you need blu-ray to figure that out?
Could WB have done a better job on this release? Again, probably... but this is a generic release, it's not a serious remastering, not an ultimate edition, it's just a VC-1 encoding of the same scan they used to make the 2002-2004 DVDs. Peter Jackson and Weta digital were not in a position to do any meaningful work on this release, but they have always expressed an intention to do so at the first opportunity, (Jackson has said he would put in work on an ultimate edition as soon as they were at a point in working on 'The Hobbit' where Weta is in full "Middle-Earth mode" but could still afford to appropriate resources to work on a home-video.) If you need a remastered ultimate edition, then you will just have to wait a little bit. I will. You can put down the torches and pitchforks, WB doesn't need any pursuasion to make a better re-release of these films, because they already plan to do so, always have, and have never kept it a secret.

People need to realize that at the same time, WB has been under heavy market pressure to "Release It Now!" and to "Release it in pristine, remastered, ultimate-edition form". It was impossible to do both. This is the "Release It NOW!" version. The other version is coming. They had to do it this way... it doesn't make them "bad" or "incompetent", it just means they had to throw a bone to an impatient majority. I'll wait until they screw up the ultimate-edition before I'm ready to nail them to the wall.


Oh yeah, one more thing:

Sith --- what exactly is wrong with lossless 5.1 Dolby? Is there something you know that the rest of us don't?

I think a small tear just formed in the corner of my eye..

mj, I never said anything about the audio of this release, from all reviews the audio is suppose to need no extra work at all. I was refering to the years of 5.1 Dolby that I'm sure we all got sick of from Warners substandard releases(or at least those of us with stereo's capable of uncompressed audio)

There are some valid points in what you said though, these are the second most wanted blu rays next to Star Wars and Warner needs to sponge some cash.

Oh yeah and there are lots of things I know that the rest of you don't

[Sith]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

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EDIT: I just realized you were the same guy that went back and forth in the old Gladiator thread (pointlessly) defending its PQ and saying how all of the complaints were overblown and misrepresentations.



Deja Vu....

Please tell me your kidding, that was probably one of the top 5 worst pq BD released last year. That does say alot

[mrpink134]

Originally Posted by Todd Smith

Youtube user review of the TE blu ray trilogy.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYY2kEL2kqE

Is there problems with LOTR of course there is and I'm not defending it either, but I will say this about that reviewer he sounded like he took notes from the forums here. He didn't seem genuine, he seemed fake.

Just my 2 cents. BTW I'm not getting LOTR and again I'm not sticking up for it.

[Sith]

Originally Posted by mrpink134

Is there problems with LOTR of course there is and I'm not defending it either, but I will say this about that reviewer he sounded like he took notes from the forums here. He didn't seem genuine, he seemed fake.

Just my 2 cents. BTW I'm not getting LOTR and again I'm not sticking up for it.

I'm still getting it, even if it's only 1/3 movies that the picture quality sucks or is lacking, that's still 2/3 that don't suck. And all the audio is suppose to
be outstanding, so whatever.

I just hope it drops on Amazon, I would feel alot better at $49.99, but I'm
cool even if it's $63.99. As much as I am with everyone wishing Warner had
put forth more of an effort, it's LOTR on blu ray. I can't resist.

[Sky_Captain]

Originally Posted by mredman

Its way better then upscaled DVD.
Do you even have the set?

Do you?
Do Warner employees get a good discount rate?

60 of your most recent posts are about LOTR.

60!

Go outside or something.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by dcowboy7

4/6 will sure be a fun day in this thread.

the only people in the thread that day will probably be those that love to nitpick everything frame by frame and complain about it the rest will be too busy watching the movies and having fun

[marvinski]

I just want a substantial improvement in PQ & AQ in comparison to the DVD's! I don't give a crap about Perfection!
If everyone on here would care more about perfection in real life then at least one of us nerds would be the head of that frickin' studio and you would have made sure the trilogy had a total restoration with the EE's included in the Package! Since that's not the case: Get A Life!

[mjbethancourt]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

I'm not saying that's when he captured it, I'm saying that's when they first began starting to broadcast that specific version. There was an HD version on Dish PPV going back to 2002 and supposedly it is the exact same version.

...and I'm saying that it really stretches credibility to say that a 2002 version has superior PQ over the BD release. I've looked at the screencaps in question, and I'm not convinced at all. There are also plenty of claims to the contrary.

It's just blatant. There's really nothing else to say, dancing around that fact accomplishes nothing.

I dance around nothing, I call it out as total bullcrap. It amounts to a claim that this is perhaps the worst BD release ever, and I have a lot of trouble believing that until I see it.

Changing the argument to when specifically the HDTV version those screencaps are from was recorded is a red herring, and is useless to debate.

It's not a red herring. People were saying that there were 8- or 10-year-old versions with superior PQ. I find that very hard to believe. I specifically dispute that claim. The screencaps don't prove that at all.

EDIT: I just realized you were the same guy that went back and forth in the old Gladiator thread (pointlessly) defending its PQ and saying how all of the complaints were overblown and misrepresentations.

I didn't go back and forth, I still stand by that. The PQ issues on that release were totally overblown. There's detectable DNR, but it's pretty good PQ. It could have been better, and it will be soon.

You know, that same one they're remastering and have since said was "terrible" which makes this old post fun to read:

Deja Vu....

They caved to pressure. So what?
The big difference is, Paramount needed some market-pressure to realize they should have probably made a better release on a title that is apparently more important to other people than it is to me. (I'm fine with my DNR'd version of 'Gladiator'... it's just not that important to me that it be the best PQ in my BD collection. Something has to go on the second shelf, they can't all be my favorite). In the case of LotR, no such pressure is necessary, WB already plans on making another enhanced release of this set in the foreseeable future, and they have always said so. You are wasting your time with your protestations.

Originally Posted by Sith

I think a small tear just formed in the corner of my eye..

mj, I never said anything about the audio of this release, from all reviews the audio is suppose to need no extra work at all. I was refering to the years of 5.1 Dolby that I'm sure we all got sick of from Warners substandard releases(or at least those of us with stereo's capable of uncompressed audio)

There are some valid points in what you said though, these are the second most wanted blu rays next to Star Wars and Warner needs to sponge some cash.

Oh yeah and there are lots of things I know that the rest of you don't

Good post.
I'm sorry, I shouldn't have fun at your expense just because someone else got me in the mood for it.

[mjbethancourt]

Originally Posted by Sky_Captain

Lmao.

Yeah, yuk it up... very pursuasive argument.

[Zoraster]

Originally Posted by mjbethancourt

blah blah blah

You go ahead and merrily consume garbage. The rest of us will pine for something better.

[Paulst10]

This thread still going round and round in circles with people giving their opinions on something they have yet to see ?

While you "pine for something better", it might be worth checking out TTT & ROTK as some of us are struggling to see how they can be bettered

[Mahatma]

Originally Posted by Paulst10

This thread still going round and round in circles with people giving their opinions on something they have yet to see ?

While you "pine for something better", it might be worth checking out TTT & ROTK as some of us are struggling to see how they can be bettered

Agree with you somewhat.Seems someone are so bored they start bickering over nothing.Wait and see is the recipe fellas

[Paulst10]

Originally Posted by Mahatma

Agree with you somewhat.Seems someone are so bored they start bickering over nothing.Wait and see is the recipe fellas

Ironically the discussion in my regular UK forums (where people actually own the disks) is pretty non-existent, we probably get through about 15 replies a day. It seems like over here, it's closer to 15 pages per day

I feel sorry for the mods here, having to read such dross everyday

[borninusa]

As I stated a number of pages ago...delete this thread...then when the disc comes out...start a nice new fresh one