Lord of the Rings Trilogy (Theatrical Versions) - April 6, 2010

[Q?]

Originally Posted by Stinky-Dinkins

It blows my mind that serious issues were noticed on this release yet missed when watching Gladiator.



I'd imagine that even among the majority of people reading the IGN review, only a minority of them would know what DNR stands for and only a fraction of that minority would be able to see it and recognize it.... and that's a video game site. I see some peolpe asking what it is on this forum and this is a home theater A/V site that caters only to that tiny demographic.

I think they must've stepped their game up after their review fiasco.

Pretty much all of the comments from that review page points out all of the problems with the wrongful review and the PQ problems with the Blu-ray.

[Grand Bob]

Originally Posted by little flower

My Lord of the Rings Blu-rays came in the mail today Now I am thinking should I go ahead and start the movies now or wait until tomorrow and have a Trilogy Tuesday, by watching all 3 at once?

If you can watch all 3 in one day, you are a better person than I am. Just too much material.

[tkdkid717]

Im aware of what DNR is, but can someone show me some screenshots of it in a film?

[blu_sharpy]

Originally Posted by tkdkid717

Im aware of what DNR is, but can someone show me some screenshots of it in a film?

Dark City will be more than happy to oblige.

[Grand Bob]

Originally Posted by mjbethancourt

I always speculated that Tom was Aule and Goldberry was Yavanna.

Interesting thought, but I would have a difficult time imagining Bombadil creating the seven fathers of the dwarves and then almost literally hammering them out of existence.

[Stinky-Dinkins]

Originally Posted by tkdkid717

Im aware of what DNR is, but can someone show me some screenshots of it in a film?

I can't do the Photobucket thing at work but you should be able to find scenes of Patton that make not noticing it impossible.

For this movie look at this:

http://comparescreenshots.slicx.com/comparison/43821

When you put your cursor over it you'll be seeing the old HDTV version. When you pull the cursor off of it you'll be seeing the new BD version.

On the BD version fine facial details have been scrubbed away entirely, giving his face a waxy, clay-like appearance that's ultra-uniform and not lifelike. It looks odd, like a wax statue. Especially bad considering this old HDTV broadcast shot actually resolves more fine detail than a 2K10 BD release, but you can see what DNR does to fine detail in this BD shot.... there's another shot of Gandalph where fine details (like strands of hair in his beard) have been scrubbed out or mushed together.

Not the greatest example in the world, but pretty easy to see none the less.

[tkdkid717]

Holy crap, its kind of scary. I see what you mean though, the blu ray almost washes away the design on Bilbos vest.

[Blu Titan]

Originally Posted by BigT

It looks like all this negative sentiment against this LOTR release and its studio is being carefully watch and followed by the big execs. Also, it seems that they've clamped down on a few of the popular message boards and forced some big time moderation. I know that Amazon was being forced to literally remove hundreds of posts in the last few days. I believe that the guys at Blu-ray here were forced to remove some info/posts also. The omission of the extended editions on this release has really turned nasty, the last thing they (the studio) was video quality being compromised. Honestly, i never had a problem with this relase being only the theatrical ones. My motto was always if you don't want them don't buy them. The a/v quality of the blu-ray is a different altogether story though and it sems that this too will turn ugly for the studio. Anyway, it seems that sales aren't going as expected and it's going to hurt them in the wallet. Maybe they should have thought of that before and spent a little more time/money trying to put out the best they could and on feedback from their customers. It's a shame they didn't to do neither properly and instead went for the fat profit margins. Later people and as always "buyer beware".

Originally Posted by radagast

What is the source of your information? Especially since even the people who are upset with the PQ all agree that the AQ is stellar.

As far as anyone forcing blu-ray.com to remove posts, I can tell you that it's 100% untrue. I'll take the above post (by BigT) with a "boulder of salt".

[Monkey]

Originally Posted by Blu Titan

As far as anyone forcing blu-ray.com to remove posts, I can tell you that it's 100% untrue. I'll take the above post (by BigT) with a "boulder of salt".

Good to hear!!

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thanks mjbethancourt, I typically appreciate your posts and glad you feel the same way in regards to different people being different in preferences in regards to many aspects of home theaters (or a TV's ).

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by tkdkid717

Holy crap, its kind of scary. I see what you mean though, the blu ray almost washes away the design on Bilbos vest.

Or maybe your monitor isn't up to snuff. I can see the design just fine on the BD version.

On the BD, I see different gamma & color values, no vertical stretching, and no MPEG noise artifacts/edge enhancement.

[Todd Smith]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Or maybe your monitor isn't up to snuff. I can see the design just fine on the BD version.

On the BD, I see different gamma & color values, no vertical stretching, and no MPEG noise artifacts/edge enhancement.

The DNR is blatant in that shot........you dont see Bilbo turn into a wax figure in the blu ray? The HDTV version clearly has more fine detail and the blu ray has clearly been "dnr doctored". Bilbo looks ~15 years younger in the blu ray version and just has that fake waxy DNR look in general.

[tkdkid717]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Or maybe your monitor isn't up to snuff. I can see the design just fine on the BD version.

On the BD, I see different gamma & color values, no vertical stretching, and no MPEG noise artifacts/edge enhancement.

I still seee th design, its just so much softer than the hdtv shot.

[billzfan]

I don't know if anyone noticed buy Amazon dropped the price to $59.99

[radagast]

Originally Posted by Blu Titan

As far as anyone forcing blu-ray.com to remove posts, I can tell you that it's 100% untrue. I'll take the above post (by BigT) with a "boulder of salt".

I went to Amazon and it didn't look like any reviews were removed.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Todd Smith

The DNR is blatant in that shot........you dont see Bilbo turn into a wax figure in the blu ray? The HDTV version clearly has more fine detail and the blu ray has clearly been "dnr doctored".

There's some DNR, but it doesn't make everyone look "waxy". I can still see details, I also don't see the layer of noise, artifacting and EE that comes with lower bitrate MPEG2.

Then again I have a calibrated 10-bit professional monitor.

[Blu Titan]

Originally Posted by radagast

I went to Amazon and it didn't look like any reviews were removed.

Not sure what he was posting about, but he even got the name of the studio wrong. Just so you guys know, the administrators here are very respectful of the members. No one has given out "special instructions" for the moderation of this thread.

[Todd Smith]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

There's some DNR, .

Exactly. Why did they feel the need to apply DNR to the blu ray? Makes Bilbo look less real and more wax figure like (or however you would describe his look in the blu ray in relation to the HDTV broadcast) IMO. The blu ray should be better than its HDTV counterpart in EVERY category and that is clearly (no pun intended) not the case when it actualy looks worse (atleast in this particular area) due to the application of DNR.

[tkdkid717]

Do you think they will stick to that "coincide with the hobbit" extended edition release date.

[solarrdadd]

anybody know if BB's steelbook special offer was for "pre-orders" only or can you walk in and buy it if it's available? I ask because at the site there is no listing of any "steelbook" versions.

[Diesel]

Originally Posted by tkdkid717

Do you think they will stick to that "coincide with the hobbit" extended edition release date.

They never set that "date", that is nothing but speculation from the fans.