Lord of the Rings Trilogy (Theatrical Versions) - April 6, 2010 - Page 382 - Blu-ray Forum

BigT · 04-06-2010, 04:45 PM

[QUOTE=Kryptonic;3120112]The softness in FOTR has everything to do with the source and the DI process originally used in post-production on the film and absolutely nothing to do with the encoding on the disc. I saw the film 17 times in theaters. I know what it's supposed to look like and this surpasses what I experienced in a variety of different theaters 8 years ago.

This is nonesense, of course a Blu-ray version is going to be better then what was seen in theaters (it has to or what's the purpose for blu?). The real question here is what the hell the studios did for the transfer? Did they re-master from the original flim stock or did they use an existing master (like the one from the dvd release) and tinker (dnr, edge...etc.) with it? There is stuff i'm being told that can't confirm either story. Also, like i had predicted, the opinions on the PQ is all over the place. WHY? Becuase not all the disks are reproduced from the same place or company, aside the fact thay MAYBE they didn't re-master from the original film. If the studio is trying to pass off an upconverted dvd quality disk as a high qulaity blu-ray release then there's a problem here. That's basically the nuts and bolts of this quagmire. In addition, people can't compare the quality of this release (or any other) from one person to another, you have to do the comparison yourselves. Trying to compare your experience to another's is a defeating purpose in itself, too many variables that affect the end result. Some questions people should start to ask is, "is this one of the best transfers in MY collection and what are some of the bit rates (not totally reliable but this is another story) people are getting with LOTR?

Like i keep on harping buyer beware and becarefull from you buy and from whom.

ShockWave · 04-06-2010, 04:53 PM

Thanks for all the information and the formula.

I always went of this chart is this ok?

bhampton · 04-06-2010, 04:58 PM

Well,

I don't want to look much at that chart. 1080p is the standard and will be for a while. If you got a 720p set at a big discount so be it.

No need to think much about it, If you want the best there is today then get 1080p.

Seems like a thread in Home Theater General instead of a LotR thread.

-Brian

ShockWave · 04-06-2010, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhampton

Well,

I don't want to look much at that chart. 1080p is the standard and will be for a while. If you got a 720p set at a big discount so be it.

No need to think much about it, If you want the best there is today then get 1080p.

-Brian

Huh? The chart is for distances.. Unless I am not understanding your post.

bhampton · 04-06-2010, 05:01 PM

It's got screen sizes, seating distances, and resolutions.

I have no use for it... It may be "interesting" I suppose. No combination of screen size and distance would make me want to watch DVD instead of Blu Ray.

1440p is not available as far as I know for a home video format. And apart from 1080p Blu Ray also has a better color space than DVD so 480p, 720p,... forget them.. Go 1080p already whatever your setup is.

-Brian

ShockWave · 04-06-2010, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhampton

It's got screen sizes, seating distances, and resolutions.

I have no use for it... It may be "interesting" I suppose. No combination of screen size and distance would make me want to watch DVD instead of Blu Ray.

-Brian

I am assuming this is an attempt to be funny. In that case HA-HA!

The_Basterd · 04-06-2010, 05:07 PM

A Ton of Photos from my Pre-Order:

Swearengen · 04-06-2010, 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by radagast

The BRs will drop in price. Now I just have to decide what my threshold is: less than $50? less than $40?

If they give me $40, I will absolutely take them!

Is that the BR? Looks like DNR

bhampton · 04-06-2010, 05:12 PM

Shockwave,

No... in this case, I'm not trying to be funny. I don't see any purpose for the chart you posted. I can not see any way to "use" it either. Maybe that's just me.

If you are stuck with DVD and want to push your seating back to the point where there is no benefit from 1080p then go by the chart.

If you want to sit close enough to get the goods from 1440p then have at it. What are you using for source though?

-Brian

ShockWave · 04-06-2010, 05:15 PM

Maybe I am not understanding what is going on which is most likely the case. I use the chart to set my distance for 1080P. I have a 60 inch screen so I have my distance with in that gap on the chart.

What do you mean by source?

bhampton · 04-06-2010, 05:18 PM

Hey,

I think you should shoot for seating distance of 1.5.

THX recommends it and in this case, I agree.

I don't think too much about the visual acuity of it and people's eyes vary as well.

-Brian

Monkey · 04-06-2010, 05:20 PM

I was kind of curious and here is the answer

http://movies.ign.com/articles/445/445262p4.html

Quote:

Q: What's the definitive version of these films?

JACKSON: The theatrical versions are the definitive versions. I regard the extended cuts as being a novelty for the fans that really want to see the extra material.

Mordir · 04-06-2010, 05:20 PM

What I got out of Bhampton's post is that chart is not going to effect his seating position nor his TV purchase because there are other factors that take priority. Most people will want to get a 1080p TV over a 720p because that's what is available to them and the price difference is not that big. They will establish their seating position based on the room they are using to set up their TV and how pleasing to the eye the furniture configuration turns out, not because the chart says sit x feet from the screen.

Monkey · 04-06-2010, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mordir

What I got out of Bhampton's post is that chart is not going to effect his seating position nor his TV purchase because there are other factors that take priority. Most people will want to get a 1080p TV over a 720p because that's what is available to them and the price difference is not that big. They will establish their seating position based on the room they are using to set up their TV and how pleasing to the eye the furniture configuration turns out, not because the chart says sit x feet from the screen.

Bingo and if he isn't exactly 1.5 away, I think he'll be ok

radagast · 04-06-2010, 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by borninusa

Gotta love a good poll
Someday we'll look back on this and it will all seem funny

I think it's funny now.

Monkey · 04-06-2010, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by radagast

I think it's funny now.

Who is going to make a PQ poll? That should be interesting (Probably plenty of votes from those who will never actually watch it in motion)

ShockWave · 04-06-2010, 05:30 PM

Didn't really think the chart would make someone buy a certain TV over the other. I posted it because people were saying the 1.5, which is what the chart tries to help with. Someone posted there is wiggle room in the 1.5 formula so I posted to chart to ask if the chart adjusted for wiggle room. It was no way posted to suggest 1080P vs 720 or DVD vs Blu Ray or how people would adjust their rooms.

radagast · 04-06-2010, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

I am stuck at work, so how is it in the stores? Is it a mad house?

When I returned my unopened LOTR Blu-ray this morning, all the copies were still there.

quirkmanly · 04-06-2010, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by radagast

When I returned my unopened LOTR Blu-ray this morning, all the copies were still there.

I picked my copy up from Moviestop and, likewise, got the impression that this was a very slow release day for that store.

JOHN MFN D. · 04-06-2010, 05:40 PM

Well, my copy didn't come today(maybe tomorrow). Sorry Todd, but I won't be able to drive out from Indiana today.

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04-06-2010, 05:01 PM	#7625
bhampton Blu-ray Count Member since:Aug 2007 4K collection:988 Blu-ray collection:2544 DVD collection:67 Blu-ray reviews: 6 Trading Score:18	It's got screen sizes, seating distances, and resolutions. I have no use for it... It may be "interesting" I suppose. No combination of screen size and distance would make me want to watch DVD instead of Blu Ray. 1440p is not available as far as I know for a home video format. And apart from 1080p Blu Ray also has a better color space than DVD so 480p, 720p,... forget them.. Go 1080p already whatever your setup is. -Brian Last edited by bhampton; 04-06-2010 at 05:05 PM.

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04-06-2010, 04:45 PM	#7621
BigT Junior Member Member since:Dec 2008 Location:Canada Blu-ray reviews:2	[QUOTE=Kryptonic;3120112]The softness in FOTR has everything to do with the source and the DI process originally used in post-production on the film and absolutely nothing to do with the encoding on the disc. I saw the film 17 times in theaters. I know what it's supposed to look like and this surpasses what I experienced in a variety of different theaters 8 years ago. This is nonesense, of course a Blu-ray version is going to be better then what was seen in theaters (it has to or what's the purpose for blu?). The real question here is what the hell the studios did for the transfer? Did they re-master from the original flim stock or did they use an existing master (like the one from the dvd release) and tinker (dnr, edge...etc.) with it? There is stuff i'm being told that can't confirm either story. Also, like i had predicted, the opinions on the PQ is all over the place. WHY? Becuase not all the disks are reproduced from the same place or company, aside the fact thay MAYBE they didn't re-master from the original film. If the studio is trying to pass off an upconverted dvd quality disk as a high qulaity blu-ray release then there's a problem here. That's basically the nuts and bolts of this quagmire. In addition, people can't compare the quality of this release (or any other) from one person to another, you have to do the comparison yourselves. Trying to compare your experience to another's is a defeating purpose in itself, too many variables that affect the end result. Some questions people should start to ask is, "is this one of the best transfers in MY collection and what are some of the bit rates (not totally reliable but this is another story) people are getting with LOTR? Like i keep on harping buyer beware and becarefull from you buy and from whom.

04-06-2010, 04:53 PM	#7622
ShockWave Blu-ray Guru Top ranked HT gallery Member since:Mar 2009 Location:Orlando, FL GO GATORS Home Theater Gallery:17 Blu-ray collection:119 Blu-ray reviews:1	Thanks for all the information and the formula. I always went of this chart is this ok?

04-06-2010, 04:58 PM	#7623
bhampton Blu-ray Count Member since:Aug 2007 4K collection:988 Blu-ray collection:2544 DVD collection:67 Blu-ray reviews: 6 Trading Score:18	Well, I don't want to look much at that chart. 1080p is the standard and will be for a while. If you got a 720p set at a big discount so be it. No need to think much about it, If you want the best there is today then get 1080p. Seems like a thread in Home Theater General instead of a LotR thread. -Brian

04-06-2010, 05:07 PM	#7627
The_Basterd Blu-ray Guru Member since:Feb 2010 Location:Grapes Are Fun! Blu-ray collection:307 Blu-ray reviews:3 Trading Score:20	*A Ton of Photos from my Pre-Order:*

04-06-2010, 05:12 PM	#7629
bhampton Blu-ray Count Member since:Aug 2007 4K collection:988 Blu-ray collection:2544 DVD collection:67 Blu-ray reviews: 6 Trading Score:18	Shockwave, No... in this case, I'm not trying to be funny. I don't see any purpose for the chart you posted. I can not see any way to "use" it either. Maybe that's just me. If you are stuck with DVD and want to push your seating back to the point where there is no benefit from 1080p then go by the chart. If you want to sit close enough to get the goods from 1440p then have at it. What are you using for source though? -Brian

04-06-2010, 05:15 PM	#7630
ShockWave Blu-ray Guru Top ranked HT gallery Member since:Mar 2009 Location:Orlando, FL GO GATORS Home Theater Gallery:17 Blu-ray collection:119 Blu-ray reviews:1	Maybe I am not understanding what is going on which is most likely the case. I use the chart to set my distance for 1080P. I have a 60 inch screen so I have my distance with in that gap on the chart. What do you mean by source?

04-06-2010, 05:18 PM	#7631
bhampton Blu-ray Count Member since:Aug 2007 4K collection:988 Blu-ray collection:2544 DVD collection:67 Blu-ray reviews: 6 Trading Score:18	Hey, I think you should shoot for seating distance of 1.5. THX recommends it and in this case, I agree. I don't think too much about the visual acuity of it and people's eyes vary as well. -Brian

04-06-2010, 05:20 PM	#7633
Mordir Active Member Top contributor Member since:Aug 2009 Blu-ray collection:58	What I got out of Bhampton's post is that chart is not going to effect his seating position nor his TV purchase because there are other factors that take priority. Most people will want to get a 1080p TV over a 720p because that's what is available to them and the price difference is not that big. They will establish their seating position based on the room they are using to set up their TV and how pleasing to the eye the furniture configuration turns out, not because the chart says sit x feet from the screen.

04-06-2010, 05:30 PM	#7637
ShockWave Blu-ray Guru Top ranked HT gallery Member since:Mar 2009 Location:Orlando, FL GO GATORS Home Theater Gallery:17 Blu-ray collection:119 Blu-ray reviews:1	Didn't really think the chart would make someone buy a certain TV over the other. I posted it because people were saying the 1.5, which is what the chart tries to help with. Someone posted there is wiggle room in the 1.5 formula so I posted to chart to ask if the chart adjusted for wiggle room. It was no way posted to suggest 1080P vs 720 or DVD vs Blu Ray or how people would adjust their rooms.

04-06-2010, 05:40 PM	#7640
JOHN MFN D. Active Member Member since:Jun 2009 Location:The Fort Home Theater Gallery:21 Blu-ray collection:219 DVD collection:2 Blu-ray reviews:3 Trading Score:1	Well, my copy didn't come today(maybe tomorrow). Sorry Todd, but I won't be able to drive out from Indiana today.

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