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Old 04-08-2010, 06:33 PM   #8401
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I don't know how some people can keep defending the FOTR transfer. If YOU are happy with it, good for you. Enjoy it. But don't excuse a poor transfer. I haven't been that dissapointed with a Blu-Ray in a long time.. and I am not letting my love for the films creep in. I sat down with a VERY open mind and came away dissapointed by the absolute random issues. Throwing in the Two Towers last night confirmed it 100%. Two Towers = MUCH better than FOTR and it isn't just artistic.. there ARE tech problems with FOTR as Ken has mentioned.

Two Towers is BY FAR my least favorite film of the trilogy but it's video transfer was SO much better than FOTR, I enjoyed it much more
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Old 04-08-2010, 06:36 PM   #8402
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I just realized I've written more words in this forum thread than I wrote in my entire 'Lord of the Rings' review
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Old 04-08-2010, 06:36 PM   #8403
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I agree with this.
And also over at highdefdigest board you get your head ripped of trying to tell them it is not as bad as some people say. it actually looks really good. And that project-blu guy can't take that some has different opinion then his review. I mean what kind of a board is that, you can't even have a different opinion then the reviewer over there. I am done with that board. It has turned into avs over there

This board is way more open to different opinions. You are a great reviewer Ken that also can see that people can have more opinions
yeah wonder what lousy setting he used to view the movies
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Old 04-08-2010, 06:39 PM   #8404
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I just realized I've written more words in this forum thread than I wrote in my entire 'Lord of the Rings' review
And rightly so. I agree 100% with your review on video quality.

The "dreamy sequences" in TTT are soft but still detailed. Also, in FOTR, the whole Bag End sequence and Fellowship council was a disaster in detail, color and DNR. It did NOT look like that on DVD.
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Old 04-08-2010, 06:40 PM   #8405
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no i didn't but dvd version and i'm not joking around its actual blu-ray movie
LOL ok.
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Old 04-08-2010, 06:40 PM   #8406
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My two cents: I'm currently watching The Return of the King (didn't watch the other two yet), and find the video pretty spectacular and detailed.
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Old 04-08-2010, 06:41 PM   #8407
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No problem. The real reason for all the confusion is that it's unclear how much of the issues trace back to the source and how much to Warner's transfer. We can try to assign numbers -- 90/10, 80/20, 70/30 -- but the unfortunate truth is that no one knows for sure (at least not anyone who has any clearcut evidence), and there's very few ways to confirm the facts and theories being bandied about. As such, a viewer's subjective opinion is even more subjective.

One of the things I enjoy about Criterion releases is that the studio is very, very transparent about the efforts and techniques they use when remastering or reissuing a title. Had Warner included a featurette or a printed insert about the effort that went into the transfers, or had enough foresight to see the wide array of opinions on the horizon, there would be much less confusion. That's not blaming Warner at all, or accusing them of some sort of negligence, but in an ideal world the facts would be more concrete and we wouldn't have to figure these things out on a message board

That being said, there are other issues at play. One's love of the film can induce defensive posturing, sensitivity to each issue is a major contributing factor, and post-review expectations left some thinking the transfer was much worse than it is. Perhaps I've done a poor job of conveying my opinions, or perhaps the fury surrounding the DNR debate has distracted people from other problems, but my low score came because I had so many issues with the transfer. Each issue is minor -- yes, even the DNR -- but each issue stacked atop another, slowly pushing my personal score down. So if you look at any one point, the reaction is, "what's the problem?" But when you add them all together, it starts to make more sense.

Finally, Jackson's involvement in the Blu-ray release and his rather ambiguous praise of it leaves a lot to be desired. But can you blame him? A filmmaker can approve and praise a transfer all he or she wants -- that doesn't mean they're actually pleased with the results (even if they know it's because they didn't have the resources or technology available to them at the time to make the film look exactly like they wanted it to). At the end of the day, sales line filmmaker pockets too, and they have a vested interest in promoting the quality of a release. Not saying Jackson is doing any such thing, but I personally take any vague comment from any filmmaker with a grain of salt. I love the man, don't get me wrong, but let's not forget this is the same savvy businessman who made New Line billions with a supposedly unfilmable fantasy epic

Ultimately, I still feel I was able to separate Jackson's intentions and the filmic softness of 'FotR' (a softness I was well acquainted with during its theatrical release) from the oddities that pop up in Warner's transfer. But that doesn't mean I'm right. If nothing else, I hope my review accurately reflects the appearance of the transfer. My goal was to evaluate it purely on its faithfulness to the source and, based on the evidence before me, I still think I did just that. Did I react to its issues more harshly than some? Obviously. Is that such a bad thing? I don't think so. Everyone pretty much agrees that there are at least some issues attributable to Warner's encode -- so it all comes down to how violently an individual viewer reacts to those issues. That being said, I happily changed my entire 'DaVinci Code' review after talking with a Sony source about a very similar issue, so I'm not above being wrong and correcting a review. However, I haven't had any such luck digging up any such source or concrete insider information in this case.

Ah well. The slew of positive and negative reviews are, in my mind, a very good thing. If nothing else, it's inspiring people to rent the discs and judge for themselves. Again, they look better than the DVDs, and better than anything else we'll see of 'LotR' for a few years. As many gripes as I have with 'FotR,' I'm still happy to have it on Blu-ray, especially when 50-60% of its scenes admittedly look quite good
I disagree wholeheartedly with your review, but I appreciate all of your input into this thread and I love to see you have an open mind even after seeing and reviewing it.

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Old 04-08-2010, 06:43 PM   #8408
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I disagree wholeheartedly with your review, but I appreciate all of your input into this thread and I love to see you have an open mind even after seeing and reviewing it.
No problem at all. Like I said, I hope 99% of you love every second of it. When it comes to 'Lord of the Rings,' I would love nothing more than to be the oversensitive madman crying "average transfer" in the village square
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Old 04-08-2010, 06:43 PM   #8409
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LOL ok.
http://de.blu-ray.com/movies/The-Lor...-Blu-ray/5287/
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Old 04-08-2010, 06:44 PM   #8410
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OK guys,

Just picked up LOTR blu ray trilogy.

I have yet to open it....

Quick note: I guess I have been hiding under a rock for some time, as I have never seen the extended edition.

That being said...should I buy the extended edition on dvd, and take this blu ray trilogy back?

Please advise.

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Old 04-08-2010, 06:48 PM   #8411
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I agree with this.
And also over at highdefdigest board you get your head ripped of trying to tell them it is not as bad as some people say. it actually looks really good. And that project-blu guy can't take that some has different opinion then his review. I mean what kind of a board is that, you can't even have a different opinion then the reviewer over there. I am done with that board. It has turned into avs over there

This board is way more open to different opinions. You are a great reviewer Ken that also can see that people can have more opinions
I have great respect for project-blu for modding properly and banning the obvious fanboys, unlike here.

And once again, thanks to Ken, for wadding in with some common sense. It's like someone left the lid off a tin of lead based paint around here sometimes.
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Old 04-08-2010, 06:53 PM   #8412
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My two cents: I'm currently watching The Return of the King (didn't watch the other two yet), and find the video pretty spectacular and detailed.
Now.. throw FOTR in, go to the first part of the Shire = Night and day in video quality.
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Old 04-08-2010, 06:57 PM   #8413
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OK guys,

Just picked up LOTR blu ray trilogy.

I have yet to open it....

Quick note: I guess I have been hiding under a rock for some time, as I have never seen the extended edition.

That being said...should I buy the extended edition on dvd, and take this blu ray trilogy back?

Please advise.
Peter Jackson's preference is for the theatrical cut.
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Old 04-08-2010, 07:02 PM   #8414
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OK guys,

Just picked up LOTR blu ray trilogy.

I have yet to open it....

Quick note: I guess I have been hiding under a rock for some time, as I have never seen the extended edition.

That being said...should I buy the extended edition on dvd, and take this blu ray trilogy back?

Please advise.
you be dumb if you took back the blu-ray version
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Old 04-08-2010, 07:06 PM   #8415
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The restoration process section has been updated:

http://www.lordoftherings.net/home.htm

"nearly 100 hours cleaning and doing color corrections requested by director Peter Jackson on the HD masters for each of the three features. The updated masters were then sent to Peter Jackson and cinematographer Andrew Lesnie for approval before being finalized"
I'm not in the film restoration business, but is 100 hours (about 2 man-weeks) representative of a herculean effort for 3 long movies?
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Old 04-08-2010, 07:08 PM   #8416
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It really cracks me up all of the negative comments on the PQ even before anyone had a copy to view it.

Yes, the PQ could always be a little better, but there's nothing to complain about. It looks great....and sounds even better!
A little better?
Come on, this release could have been a LOT better but greed won.

Lets see the visual issues with this release.

1. PQ on FOTR.
2. PQ on TT. Definitely better than FOTR but it can use some improvement.
3. Random while/purple lines appearing on the edge of the screen.
4. People have recently reported lip sync issues. You must pay close attention to the audio and the picture on the screen to notice but more than several people with different setups have now reported this issue.

Probably more to come as more people watch the title and people thought it was just a DNR/EE PQ issue with this release.
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Old 04-08-2010, 07:09 PM   #8417
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Yeah they are insane. But nothing beats the insane naysayers at highdefdigest
Hahaha, what do you mean "naysayers?"

So Ken is a naysayer? The official HighDefDigest reviewer? The IGN dude?

You make it sound as though these transfers are suddenly universally acclaimed yet that isn't at all the truth. There are some nutty fanboys in this thread (fanboys of what I'm not really even sure, the format itself I suppose) that keep saying the same thing over and over and over again (like yourself) as if it's a top notch transfer all around.

Still waiting on my copy, but I guess complaining at all about it is to be a "naysayer." Naysayer of what exactly I'm not really sure.

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Old 04-08-2010, 07:12 PM   #8418
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I'm not in the film restoration business, but is 100 hours (about 2 man-weeks) representative of a herculean effort for 3 long movies?
LOL! I don't know either but I think maybe AT LEAST 2 of those 100 hours went into "color correcting and enhancing" FOTR

STINKY: You are not a naysayer. The FOTR transfer is "frustrating" at best. TTT was a huge step in the right direction. I'll be watching ROTK on saturday...

And I think everyone can agree that the audio quality is fantastic across the board.
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Old 04-08-2010, 07:15 PM   #8419
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I'm not in the film restoration business, but is 100 hours (about 2 man-weeks) representative of a herculean effort for 3 long movies?
That's surprised me too, I'm wondering if it was a typo and they actually meant 1,000.

If they had 5 dudes working on it that's only one work week. That seems like hardly any time at all for movies these long.

Maybe they meant that time just specifically for Peter-Jackson-requested color corrections and not anything else.
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Old 04-08-2010, 07:16 PM   #8420
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Hahaha, what do you mean "naysayers?"

So Ken is a naysayer? The official HighDefDigest reviewer? The IGN dude?

You make it sound as though these transfers are suddenly universally acclaimed yet that isn't at all the truth. There are some nutty fanboys in this thread (fanboys of what I'm not really even sure, the format itself I suppose) that keep saying the same thing over and over and over again (like yourself) as if it's a top notch transfer.

Still waiting on my copy, but I guess complaining at all about it is to be a "naysayer." Naysayer of what exactly I'm not really sure.
No the naysayers are those who give the PQ 2/5. And it is NOWHERE near a only 2 in PQ. it is in 3.75-4/5 in PQ and it is better then Gladiator transfer in everyway. It is definitely not the disaster it was labeled before it came out. Those are the naysayers that say its no better then an upscaled DVD when it clearly is way better then that

And maybe it is like this guy says
http://www.ultimateavmag.com/moviereviews/040510lotrbd/

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