Oppo BDP-83 Blu-ray Player Thread

[solarrdadd]

on a slightly different note with certain blu-ray movies, when i hit stop i get the message that "to continue at the point stopped press play" (or something like that) and when i put the movie back in (as long as i haven't pressed stop again before ejecting it) the message will pop up again to press play to start at previous viewing location (or something like that) and it does start at that location. i often read that this sort of think couldn't be done with blu-ray movies unlike DvD's or music CD's. can someone with a brand other than the oppo line confirm that they can do this with certain blu movies? perhaps things are changing. Oh yeah, NO, i'm not talking about using the blue/green buttons for bookmarking, i'm saying certain blu movies act like DvD movies when stopped.

[Trogdor2010]

Originally Posted by Alan A

why not update over internet? it has worked for me.

If the firmware is interrupted, the update may damage the hardware you are using. In the long run, using a seperate file with memory is the ideal solution.

[un4gvn94538]

Originally Posted by solarrdadd

on a slightly different note with certain blu-ray movies, when i hit stop i get the message that "to continue at the point stopped press play" (or something like that) and when i put the movie back in (as long as i haven't pressed stop again before ejecting it) the message will pop up again to press play to start at previous viewing location (or something like that) and it does start at that location. i often read that this sort of think couldn't be done with blu-ray movies unlike DvD's or music CD's. can someone with a brand other than the oppo line confirm that they can do this with certain blu movies? perhaps things are changing. Oh yeah, NO, i'm not talking about using the blue/green buttons for bookmarking, i'm saying certain blu movies act like DvD movies when stopped.

yeah i noticed that resume play worked with lotr. thats because it doesnt use bd-java. it looks like a straight up menue like dvds have. blus with bd java dont work.

[EWL5]

Originally Posted by solarrdadd

interesting enough, i also have an oppo 80 in my home office area in the basement, and it's connected to a 5.1 receiver via analog cables. the oppo display also says 5.1 (codec) but since i only have 5 channels i wonder if it will decode it onboard LPCM and send it out via analog. i do have the analog speaker set-up to downmix to 5.1 so perhaps if i had one or two more channels, it would in fact matrix that/those channels out to the one or two extra channels if i had them. of coarse, i won't know that answer since i don't!

No, the Oppo doesn't do internal matrixing to 6.1 or 7.1 from a 5.1 source. Only the Denon A1UDCI has that feature (Dolby ProLogic IIx and DTS Neo:6).

[solarrdadd]

Originally Posted by EWL5

No, the Oppo doesn't do internal matrixing to 6.1 or 7.1 from a 5.1 source. Only the Denon A1UDCI has that feature (Dolby ProLogic IIx and DTS Neo:6).

thanks for that info Ewl5, i'm sure it will help out those who need it. how are you doing?

[oppopioneer]

I contacted Oppo back in November, they told me they recommend we update the machine using the USB or disc method instead of the ethernet method.

[gonk]

Originally Posted by solarrdadd

ok un4gvn94538, i just put on the LOTR on my system. the oppo display says DTS-HD-MA 5.1 the 5507 input says DTS-ES 5.1/DTS-HD-MA output it says ES-MATRIX/DTS-HD-MA 7.1

on the static screen of my 5507 it says in big letters, ES-MATRIX in smaller red letters next to it is dts-hd-ma/es

This actually makes some sense. If they are using ES to add a rear surround channel, the bitstream is actually DTS-HD MA 5.1 with the ES flag identifying the presence of an additional matrix-encoded channel. The flag would then tell the receiver or processor to apply DTS ES processing to the decoded bitstream.

Originally Posted by EWL5

Now I'm wondering if some receivers only had the DTS-HD Essentials decoder vs the DTS-HD MA decoder. DTS branding has been awful the last couple of years and caused massive confusion.

I agree. There have been a lot of branding issues with DTS-HD formats. I also think that the practice of merging ES encoding with DTS-HD MA tracks was not adopted until after un4gvn94538's Onkyo 705 was discontinued. The ES decoder is still present in that generation of Onkyo receivers, so in theory the flag would engage it after the DTS-HD was decoded, but exactly how it would react is hard to predict. It could potentially allow the user to choose the mode he wants rather than forcing ES processing.

Originally Posted by un4gvn94538

thanks for the confirmation. yes i have an older 705. but ive never seen a reason to upgrade and i still dont. not for matrixed signals and not for 3-d. at least now i know its the codec is supported with newer receiver models. dont think i read that anywhere.

GONK:
i read the entire post from your link. if dts is indeed "rounding up", then they changed since the dvd days. also, it was said that when the disc is played, it would show up as 6.1 on the players and receivers. well, it doesnt on the player. and the player was released publicly about the same time as that post was made, so what does dts mean by newer players and receivers (mainly players in this case)? also the post mentions that the ps3 shows the playback as 5.1. it doesnt. my ps3 does in fact show it as dts ma 6.1 just like lord of the rings. the last update concerning the audio was a couple years ago when they fixed a decoding error in 7.1 discs. seems with lotr release, dts is not going to stop "rounding up" and until most early adopters upgrade thier equipment, then the confusion will continue.

The DTS-HD Master Audio format supports up to 7.1 discrete channels. If you had a DTS-HD MA 6.1 track or 7.1 track, the BDP-83 would indicate such. If you have a DTS-HD MA 5.1/ES track, players would still identify it as 5.1 because that's technically what it is: a 5.1 track, with matrix encoding cues used to package a rear surround channel into the side surrounds.

I don't know why the PS3 is behaving differently. It may be that it is recognizing the ES encoding and reporting it as 6.1 because of that. I did try this disc on a current Marantz receiver, and it reported DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1. It also didn't react as if there was an ES flag present, although it allowed me to overlay NEO:6 processing onto the DTS-HD MA bitstream. (At one time, just to stay on the subject of DTS and confusing marketing, NEO:6 was a mode restricted to use with PCM stereo sources. For DTS 5.1 sources that users wanted to expand to 6.1, they offered DTS-ES Matrix. Later, though, they phased out ES Matrix mode and expanded NEO:6's reach to include expanding DTS 5.1 sources to 6.1 - a logical move, since NEO:6 and ES Matrix were using the same steering logic under different names. I've seen receivers use both approaches for identifying the available modes.)

Originally Posted by solarrdadd

i suspect that while oppo doesn't support the decoding of the ES or EX matrix flags, if bitstreamed, they will pass it through despite that the display says the straight codec with no mention of the suffix flag. this is so proven with my setup. it won't display it but it did in fact pass it on so that my pre-amp (which supports it) could decode it.

interesting enough, i also have an oppo 80 in my home office area in the basement, and it's connected to a 5.1 receiver via analog cables. the oppo display also says 5.1 (codec) but since i only have 5 channels i wonder if it will decode it onboard LPCM and send it out via analog. i do have the analog speaker set-up to downmix to 5.1 so perhaps if i had one or two more channels, it would in fact matrix that/those channels out to the one or two extra channels if i had them. of coarse, i won't know that answer since i don't!

Yes, by passing the bitstream, the player is not altering the audio at all, so any flags or other embedded data are passed on to the receiver or processor.


As for the BDP-80 and its analog output, the answer is "yes" - it will decode a 5.1 or 5.1 ES/EX track to 5.1 (since it lacks ES/EX processing support), and if there was a true 7.1 track it would output either 7.1 via analog or downmixed 5.1 via analog, depending on the downmix settings.

[EWL5]

Originally Posted by solarrdadd

thanks for that info Ewl5, i'm sure it will help out those who need it. how are you doing?

Doing ok. Just wished McNabb had left the division. Hopefully the Giants still own the 'Skins.

[Johnny Vinyl]

Hi guys!

I am currently using a 2-channel setup and have an Oppo DV-980H. Will I gain improved audio performance from the dedicated analog stereo input of the BDP-83. I know the specs say I will, but what about the real world? Is there an audible improvement.

John

[un4gvn94538]

Originally Posted by John72953

Hi guys!

I am currently using a 2-channel setup and have an Oppo DV-980H. Will I gain improved audio performance from the dedicated analog stereo input of the BDP-83. I know the specs say I will, but what about the real world? Is there an audible improvement.

John

whats up john!?

i dont know about the analog portion of the player (dont use it) but i thought id point out (even though you may already know) that the bdp-83 special edition has upgraded analog components over the bdp-83. but the cost is about $400 more.

[Johnny Vinyl]

Originally Posted by un4gvn94538

whats up john!?

i dont know about the analog portion of the player (dont use it) but i thought id point out (even though you may already know) that the bdp-83 special edition has upgraded analog components over the bdp-83. but the cost is about $400 more.

Hey buddy!

Yeah I know about the cost differential ...not in the cards right now. I guess I asked the question as the base 83 has the dedicated stereo input. I'm about to pull the trigger on the BDP-83 in the next few weeks (selling my PS3 and Oppo DV-980H).

John

[un4gvn94538]

Originally Posted by John72953

Hey buddy!

Yeah I know about the cost differential ...not in the cards right now. I guess I asked the question as the base 83 has the dedicated stereo input. I'm about to pull the trigger on the BDP-83 in the next few weeks (selling my PS3 and Oppo DV-980H).

John

i thought about selling my 60gig for maybe a second. cant do it. i still game and the backwards compatability is important to me in the main room as i play ps2 games with the kids. plus i still like the look of the phat than the slim. shinier


give it a while. im sure gonk or ewl5 will answer your question.

[airkitty]

I'm not using the analog outs but...
I am planning to have my 83 upgraded by Tweak/EVS. He and others do various upgrades to the base model to improve the analog outs. The cost is moderate and the results are promised to be excellent. The base model was reviewed as having very good analog circuits but not stellar. Rock on.
mark

[Johnny Vinyl]

Originally Posted by un4gvn94538

i thought about selling my 60gig for maybe a second. cant do it. i still game and the backwards compatability is important to me in the main room as i play ps2 games with the kids. plus i still like the look of the phat than the slim. shinier


give it a while. im sure gonk or ewl5 will answer your question.

I don't game, so the decision to sell it in favour of the superior performance of the 83 is a no-brainer for me. And yeah, I figure one of those 2 guys will be around shortly.

John

[Johnny Vinyl]

Originally Posted by airkitty

I'm not using the analog outs but...
I am planning to have my 83 upgraded by Tweak/EVS. He and others do various upgrades to the base model to improve the analog outs. The cost is moderate and the results are promised to be excellent. The base model was reviewed as having very good analog circuits but not stellar. Rock on.
mark

do you have a link?

John

[gonk]

John, the stereo analog output of the stock BDP-83 is a nice step up from the 980H's analog section. I would expect you to be able to hear it.

[Johnny Vinyl]

Originally Posted by gonk

John, the stereo analog output of the stock BDP-83 is a nice step up from the 980H's analog section. I would expect you to be able to hear it.

Thx gonk! I am kinda hoping for the same thing, but regardless of that I'm going to go with the 83 anyway. I just find that the analog connection has a softer, smoother sound and is something I prefer.

This brings up another question, and forgive my utter stupidity on this whole issue. I watch/listen to a lot of BD Concerts. Is there a way to have the audio in 2-channel come from the analog inputs or does it automatically defer to HDMI?

John

[un4gvn94538]

Originally Posted by John72953

Thx gonk! I am kinda hoping for the same thing, but regardless of that I'm going to go with the 83 anyway. I just find that the analog connection has a softer, smoother sound and is something I prefer.

This brings up another question, and forgive my utter stupidity on this whole issue. I watch/listen to a lot of BD Concerts. Is there a way to have the audio in 2-channel come from the analog inputs or does it automatically defer to HDMI?

John

from the manual

If your audio system only offers stereo audio inputs, or if you would like to connect a
dedicated stereo system in addition to the surround system, you can connect it to the
STEREO AUDIO OUT terminals of the player.

The STEREO AUDIO OUT terminals will always provide a down-mixed stereo signal
from multi-channel sources. The “Down Mix” and other speaker settings in the Audio
Processing Setup Menu (see page 61) do not affect the STEREO AUDIO OUT.

though i havent tried it
hope this helps

[gonk]

All of the audio outputs are active simultaneously with a few exceptions (the only significant example being no coaxial/optical output with SACD due to copy protection limitations).The stereo analog output is always active and always a downmixed stereo signal - surround sources will remain in surround for HDMI and multichannel analog output (assuming the downmix settings call for 5.1 or 7.1 from the multichannel analog output) independently from that. You can hook up the stereo analog output and throw any disc you want at it.

[Johnny Vinyl]

Again...forgive my stupidity on this matter. Let me give you an example of what I'm trying to ascertain.

I put in my Concert BD and select 2.0 LPCM for audio playback. Once I do that, is there a way to then select whether or not the audio comes through HDMI or Analog? I'm thinking not, but then...what the heck do I know.

John