Bill Hunt said it best.... - Blu-ray Forum

Nicadian · 11-01-2007, 09:19 PM

Is not sales they are after, toshiba is after awarness. Get the product to the masses.

spam.curitiba · 11-01-2007, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Nicadian

Is not sales they are after, toshiba is after awarness. Get the product to the masses.

Yah but like Bill Hunt said the people that are going to buy this are those that already have hd dvd player and want a second one for maybe another room or those that won't have the money to fork out 30 bucks for a movie and will only buy the regular version to have it upscaled......

Nicadian · 11-01-2007, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by spam.curitiba

Yah but like Bill Hunt said the people that are going to buy this are those that already have hd dvd player and want a second one for maybe another room or those that won't have the money to fork out 30 bucks for a movie and will only buy the regular version to have it upscaled......

I agree, people are going to get turned off by the price,they figure why am i going to pay 30 meanwhile they can pay 5 bucks for a burned copy. This is just to stop some momentum that BD has going.

JAGUAR1977 · 11-01-2007, 09:31 PM

I'll resist checking out what the HD-DVD'ers think of this article, I expect they believe Toshiba are a charitable organistation fighting the evil Sony empire lol.

Go Blu · 11-01-2007, 09:33 PM

The article should be posted in more places.

A good dose of reality.
It's GOOD news for DUD though!

spam.curitiba · 11-01-2007, 09:36 PM

Look at it this way...Insiders have said there are only 50,000 of these A2's for the 200 now 99 dollar sale. You have to know that at least 60% of those players are going to go to people that already have an hd dvd player. So that means only about 20000 new hd dvd custumer's. Of that, only probably 5,000 of those will buy more than 2 hd dvd's in the year.

And what is coming out tomorrow? Oh yeah the new ps3 that will sell many more than 50,000 in one day.

This sale won't have an effect at all.

Bullseye · 11-01-2007, 09:38 PM

So there was only 50,000? Is this confirmed anywhere?

Seretur · 11-01-2007, 09:40 PM

Bill has said everything we've been saying on this forum over the last day or so, but he also highlighted two extremely important points:

Pixar is more of a threat to HD DVD than we realise. Forumgoers aren't usually family types, so might not think that these are the truly big ones, but the appearance of the first Pixar titles (three on the same day, no less) on Blu-ray could lead to vast sales. Toshiba's virtual player giveaway might balance out the sales, but probably not as much as they're hoping. HD DVD software remains as pricey as ever, and people who are too cheap to buy a decent player will certainly balk at the disc cost.

Toshiba is not only runing the chance of anyone ever producing a HD DVD player again, but is acting in an uncompetitive way within the entire industry. And, of course, this will be duly noted within the industry, and remembered long after HD DVD goes the way of the dodo. I'm just glad 3 or 4 US states saw fit to outlaw practices such as these.

Anyway, I still don't think their firesale will hurt anyone as much as themselves.

BluOgre · 11-02-2007, 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Seretur

Anyway, I still don't think their firesale will hurt anyone as much as themselves.

I think there is a slight chance it hurts Bluray in an indirect type of way. It won't effect software sales more than likely however it could give the preception to the general public that highdef SHOULD be cheap. Putting $100 players out to the general public so early will effect how people look at the highdef format. DVD did NOT have to deal with this, players were price VERY similar to what Bluray has been. With HD slashing prices prematurely in the lifecycle of this format I think it's going to effect some people's decision whether to jump into BR (who is going to win this war) because the prices are not going to be close to $100 for at least a couple years.

I hope Toshiba is blacklisted with all manufactures going forward. They could have singlehandely created a situation where no one jumps in to the new format. I honestly would love to know just how much MS has it's fingers in all of this......

bazie · 11-01-2007, 09:43 PM

hey what is the number of HDDVD players out their currently? is it like 250k or something?

So, if they sell through the 50k at these low sub 200 maybe even sub 100 dollar prices in say....2 weeks (if they are lucky) then that still means a 20% increase in the number of HDDVD players out there.

Its not great for HDDVD but it also isn't bad:/

JAGUAR1977 · 11-01-2007, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by bazie

hey what is the number of HDDVD players out their currently? is it like 250k or something?

So, if they sell through the 50k at these low sub 200 maybe even sub 100 dollar prices in say....2 weeks (if they are lucky) then that still means a 20% increase in the number of HDDVD players out there.

Its not great for HDDVD but it also isn't bad:/

But the same week the 40GB PS3 will sell, what, 250K, and go strong right through to Christmas?

spam.curitiba · 11-01-2007, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by JAGUAR1977

But the same week the 40GB PS3 will sell, what, 250K, and go strong right through to Christmas?

yup..plus it comes with a blu-ray movie which people will watch and say this shit is sweet and buy other movies.

sj001 · 11-01-2007, 10:35 PM

Is the Spiderman 3 BD in the box or separate? Twould be nice if those sales counted.

tqlla · 11-01-2007, 09:44 PM

IMO, its HD DVDs final attack.... but it's pretty strong.

With this they put themselves back in the game or hopefully, they die trying.

davidPS3 · 11-01-2007, 10:13 PM

He is always right on. I wish he could get on a broader and louder forum for the masses to hear what he has to say!

Maxell · 11-02-2007, 12:34 AM

Also this sale is coming the SAME DAY the 40GB PS3 debuts at $400!

Switched2BD · 11-02-2007, 01:27 AM

I dont know how many times I have heard some of my customers say that they would NOT pay $30 for a movie. So dropping the price of a player is going to change thier minds? Nope! This desperation move isnt going to help them. Sorry HD DVD its going to be all over but the crying.

mystiksuicide · 11-02-2007, 02:57 AM

My only take is this, great now you have a fake next generation player (1080i).
Now lets go buy a movie. Hey mom lets buy cars, sorry sweetie it's not available on hd dvd. That's ok mom let's buy spiderman series. sorry sweetie that not available on hd dvd either. Ok I guess, lets get FF i am sorry sweetie that's not available either.

Damn mom what the hell did you buy? There is nothing available for the piece of crap. You think we can get our money back and get a blu-ray player instead?

Blu As Hell · 11-02-2007, 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Switched2BD

I dont know how many times I have heard some of my customers say that they would NOT pay $30 for a movie. So dropping the price of a player is going to change thier minds? Nope! This desperation move isnt going to help them. Sorry HD DVD its going to be all over but the crying.

Exactly!!! And I've been saying what Bill said in his article since this whole thing started. A 98 dollar player is nothing without movies, and the movies they have cost almost as much as the player. The average customer that will buy this player ain't payin' 30 dollars for a movie, the average customer is not going to stick an ethernet cable in the back of it so they can update firmware to get the movies to play. Like I've said before...CHEAP PLAYERS WILL NOT WIN A WAR...MOVIES WILL!!!!! and the one thing HD DVD doesn't have is movies.

bdrex28 · 11-02-2007, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by mystiksuicide

My only take is this, great now you have a fake next generation player (1080i).
Now lets go buy a movie. Hey mom lets buy cars, sorry sweetie it's not available on hd dvd. That's ok mom let's buy spiderman series. sorry sweetie that not available on hd dvd either. Ok I guess, lets get FF i am sorry sweetie that's not available either.

Damn mom what the hell did you buy? There is nothing available for the piece of crap. You think we can get our money back and get a blu-ray player instead?

Exactly. The sad part is most of these buyers wont have any idea. They'll just think it makes all movies High Definition.

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11-01-2007, 09:19 PM	#1
Nicadian Active Member Member since:Oct 2007 Location:Canada	Is not sales they are after, toshiba is after awarness. Get the product to the masses.

11-01-2007, 09:31 PM	#4
JAGUAR1977 Special Member Member since:Aug 2007 Blu-ray reviews:1	I'll resist checking out what the HD-DVD'ers think of this article, I expect they believe Toshiba are a charitable organistation fighting the evil Sony empire lol.

11-01-2007, 09:33 PM	#5
Go Blu Special Member Member since:Feb 2007	The article should be posted in more places. A good dose of reality. It's GOOD news for DUD though!

11-01-2007, 09:36 PM	#6
spam.curitiba Expert Member Member since:Jul 2007 Blu-ray collection:172 Blu-ray reviews:2	Look at it this way...Insiders have said there are only 50,000 of these A2's for the 200 now 99 dollar sale. You have to know that at least 60% of those players are going to go to people that already have an hd dvd player. So that means only about 20000 new hd dvd custumer's. Of that, only probably 5,000 of those will buy more than 2 hd dvd's in the year. And what is coming out tomorrow? Oh yeah the new ps3 that will sell many more than 50,000 in one day. This sale won't have an effect at all.

11-01-2007, 09:38 PM	#7
Bullseye Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Sep 2006 Location:Ireland Home Theater Gallery:24 4K collection:70 Blu-ray collection:760 Blu-ray reviews: 44	So there was only 50,000? Is this confirmed anywhere?

11-01-2007, 09:40 PM	#8
Seretur Special Member Member since:Jul 2007 Location:An Island in the Adriatic Blu-ray collection:521 Blu-ray reviews:5 Trading Score:2	Bill has said everything we've been saying on this forum over the last day or so, but he also highlighted two extremely important points: Pixar is more of a threat to HD DVD than we realise. Forumgoers aren't usually family types, so might not think that these are the truly big ones, but the appearance of the first Pixar titles (three on the same day, no less) on Blu-ray could lead to vast sales. Toshiba's virtual player giveaway might balance out the sales, but probably not as much as they're hoping. HD DVD software remains as pricey as ever, and people who are too cheap to buy a decent player will certainly balk at the disc cost. Toshiba is not only runing the chance of anyone ever producing a HD DVD player again, but is acting in an uncompetitive way within the entire industry. And, of course, this will be duly noted within the industry, and remembered long after HD DVD goes the way of the dodo. I'm just glad 3 or 4 US states saw fit to outlaw practices such as these. Anyway, I still don't think their firesale will hurt anyone as much as themselves.

11-01-2007, 09:43 PM	#10
bazie Active Member Member since:Oct 2007	hey what is the number of HDDVD players out their currently? is it like 250k or something? So, if they sell through the 50k at these low sub 200 maybe even sub 100 dollar prices in say....2 weeks (if they are lucky) then that still means a 20% increase in the number of HDDVD players out there. Its not great for HDDVD but it also isn't bad:/

11-01-2007, 10:35 PM	#13
sj001 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Rochester, NY Blu-ray collection:317 DVD collection:17 Trading Score:5	Is the Spiderman 3 BD in the box or separate? Twould be nice if those sales counted.

11-01-2007, 09:44 PM	#14
tqlla Active Member Member since:Sep 2007	IMO, its HD DVDs final attack.... but it's pretty strong. With this they put themselves back in the game or hopefully, they die trying.

11-01-2007, 10:13 PM	#15
davidPS3 Special Member Member since:Jul 2007 Location:Seattle	He is always right on. I wish he could get on a broader and louder forum for the masses to hear what he has to say!

11-02-2007, 12:34 AM	#16
Maxell Expert Member Member since:Aug 2007	Also this sale is coming the SAME DAY the 40GB PS3 debuts at $400!

11-02-2007, 01:27 AM	#17
Switched2BD Active Member Member since:Oct 2007 Location:Hilton Head Is,SC Blu-ray reviews:2	I dont know how many times I have heard some of my customers say that they would NOT pay $30 for a movie. So dropping the price of a player is going to change thier minds? Nope! This desperation move isnt going to help them. Sorry HD DVD its going to be all over but the crying.

11-02-2007, 02:57 AM	#18
mystiksuicide Blu-ray Guru Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Miami Blu-ray collection:305 Blu-ray reviews:27	My only take is this, great now you have a fake next generation player (1080i). Now lets go buy a movie. Hey mom lets buy cars, sorry sweetie it's not available on hd dvd. That's ok mom let's buy spiderman series. sorry sweetie that not available on hd dvd either. Ok I guess, lets get FF i am sorry sweetie that's not available either. Damn mom what the hell did you buy? There is nothing available for the piece of crap. You think we can get our money back and get a blu-ray player instead?

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