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[Jeff Kleist]

Guys, is every weekend going to be Star Trek weekend from now on?

[rkish]

Jeff:

SAVING PRIVATE RYAN - NO SYNC ISSUES

I thought that seeing what DIDN'T cause the problem might help as well.

MY SETUP:

Pioneer Elite Pro 111FD (50")
Panasonic DMP BD-55 - firmware version 2.2 (latest as of this posting).
Yamaha RXV-363BL AVR

Pioneer 111FD and Panny BD-55 configured for 24P.

CONNECTIONS:

Audio: Analog Outs from Panny BD-55 to Yamaha AVR.
Video: HDMI cable from Panny BD-55 to Pioneer 111FD (direct).

I still think that this is some sort of handshake issue with the video piece of the equation. The only thing I can add is, that I've taken the AVR handling of the video, out of the picture. I'm also doing a straight 24P from the BD player to the TV (NO need for a 3/2 pulldown).

[MerrickG]

Originally Posted by Jeff Kleist

Guys, is every weekend going to be Star Trek weekend from now on?

Two weekends from now will be either Alan Wake or Red Dead Redemption weekend.

Other than that, Im afraid I cant offer much in the way of hope.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Danielle Ni Dhighe

I didn't say it was a good film, I said it was better than the reboot film. An important distinction.

No it isn't. ST:V had things that just were plain offensive and far more egregious than anything in the '09 film.

Spock catching Kirk with the rocket boots to a dead stop (following FX shots of Kirk falling worse than the original series).

Klingons out of American Gladiators.

Uhura's naked dance.

Scotty knocking himself out.

Uhura hitting on Scotty in sickbay.

The concept of Spock's brother.

Reaching the galactic core in hours.

Deck 78...twice (and how did Spock get above Kirk & McCoy anyway?)

The ship is broken. So broken a PADD falls apart.

I could go on but I only have a few min here (not at home).

Originally Posted by Jeff Kleist

Guys, is every weekend going to be Star Trek weekend from now on?

Gawd I hope not.
But calling The Final Frontier better than ST'09 is just plain *wrong*.

[HeelsHater]

Originally Posted by Jeff Kleist

I have some running hypothesis, but I don't want to say anything publically about it until I'm sure. They're being peer reviewed over the weekend

Under the best case scenario, end of next weekish, and again, that's best case. Expect weeks, not days, if at all (covering my bases here)

Are you ruling out the possibility of a bad batch? Or is every pressing available right now exactly the same?

[Jeff Kleist]

No physically bad pressing would result in a sync issue. Physically bad discs do one thing- glitch, freeze, break up(yes that's three things). I don't have access to the master recordings so I can't say for sure what people are seeing. I cam say I have my own working hypothesis that several people have agreed withathat I know have the experience necessary to do so, and that I've submitted this to Paramount. I don't want to say anything till something comes back because the inability to compare it to the master introduces too many variables

[FourToedStatue]

Hey Jeff I just saw the amazon pre order for a Predator Ultimate Hunter Edition. If this is legit you think it will be remastered?

[Jeff Kleist]

Yeah it's real, there's s new predator movie after all. I'm sure they redid it, how much good that will do is debateable.

[garyrc]

The new review of the LOTR boxed set by Shane Buettner & Kris Deering in the June HT (p72) says, "Fellowship has an overprocessed look. In particular, faces look scrubbed of textural detail." From this forum, I know that even the theatrical film prints of FOTR went through some DNR, and that this was done in the early days of DNR (thanks Jeff). My questions are:

• Would there be more or less scrubbing on the Blu than on the DVD i already have?
• Is it conceivable that more facial detail would show up on my DVD, due to more concerted scrubbing in preparing the Blu?
• Would there be more facial detail in the theatrical prints (as seen on the cinema screen), the DVD or the Blu? I am aware of the rank order of resolution of the three formats themselves, I'm just trying to get a fix on industry scrubbing habits within those three formats.

[Jeff Kleist]

The worst DNRd Blu that comes from a real HD master has more resolution than it's DVD counterpart. Don't forget that Compression tools allow you to indicate areas of priority, so often everything BUT the people is what loses

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Jeff Kleist

Guys, is every weekend going to be Star Trek weekend from now on?

This is for you (and the other haters):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02Lgd...layer_embedded

[Danielle Ni Dhighe]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

This is for you (and the other haters):

It reminds me of some self-proclaimed Star Trek fans I've met since the reboot film came out who think everything that came before the reboot sucked.

Why is STII:TWOK still considered the best of the films? Because it had things to say about growing older, friendship, loss, and even the self-destructive nature of revenge. It wasn't simply racing to the next explosion or action scene.

And your list of bad things in Shatner's Folly? I can list from the reboot Scotty getting sucked through every tube in engineering without getting radiation poisoning, Spock and Uhura making out, Kirk flapping oversized latex hands while McCoy repeatedly hyposprays him, etc.

I could go on, but I think we'll never agree on this. Besides, the weekend is almost over and it's time to return control of the thread to Jeff.

[DenonCI]

Let's change the subject. What do people think about the opening 20 minutes of 2001?

[MerrickG]

Originally Posted by DenonCI

Let's change the subject. What do people think about the opening 20 minutes of 2001?

The same I think about the remaining minutes of the film.

BORING.

[DenonCI]

Originally Posted by merrick97

The same I think about the remaining minutes of the film.

BORING.

I agree.

[BleedingEdge]

Originally Posted by Jeff Kleist

No physically bad pressing would result in a sync issue. Physically bad discs do one thing- glitch, freeze, break up(yes that's three things). I don't have access to the master recordings so I can't say for sure what people are seeing. I cam say I have my own working hypothesis that several people have agreed withathat I know have the experience necessary to do so, and that I've submitted this to Paramount. I don't want to say anything till something comes back because the inability to compare it to the master introduces too many variables

Has anyone reported that the problem goes away upon pausing and then un-pausing the movie? This reminds me a bit of a common DVD authoring issue back in the day, where if you'd use more than one audio source of differing sample rates, the encoder would introduce a slight "glitch" that would be handled badly by cheap/outdated hardware. The problem would never occur in software, only when a player used an internal downmixer, or when sent over digital to a receiver which downmixed to 48 or 44.1kHz.

[gettodamoofies]

Originally Posted by BleedingEdge

Has anyone reported that the problem goes away upon pausing and then un-pausing the movie? This reminds me a bit of a common DVD authoring issue back in the day, where if you'd use more than one audio source of differing sample rates, the encoder would introduce a slight "glitch" that would be handled badly by cheap/outdated hardware. The problem would never occur in software, only when a player used an internal downmixer, or when sent over digital to a receiver which downmixed to 48 or 44.1kHz.

No change in the error for me based on this. I tested based on pausing/un-pausing, playing through then skipping back and playing again, swapping between audio tracks, watching the film from scratch, chapter skipping to the chapter prior to the affected one and watching from there, and lastly opening the pop-up menu then closing. None had any effect on the sync issue for me, which as per my post earlier commences from the shot of Tom Hanks at the coffee machine and continues through to the end of the film.

[Jeff Kleist]

Those were the first things I asked people to heck when this came up. Nuttin

[Mr. Cinema]

I posted before having no issues. I played the movie all the way through once. Then went to the "problem" areas, replayed those several times using pause and the scan forward/ backward buttons. Always stayed in sync.

[mark antony]

Jeff, with Warner being one of the more ambitious studios when it comes to earlier catalgue titles on BD, do you think theres a chance that we might see stuff from the 30's, that sold big numbers on dvd, over the next couple of years such as Thin Man or Night at the Opera or is this v unlikely for the foreseable future?