81:19 Nielsen/VideoScan Weekly Sales Numbers

[Flux88MPH]

Originally Posted by The Shrike

First I am decreed 14 years old; now I... Wait. I don't understand this post at all.

Writers are on strike.

[The Shrike]

Originally Posted by Flux88MPH

Thanks for the support ikbradley. However I too am enjoying the entertainment value that is included in this thread.

Shrike, please help me become the next L. Ron.

MEDIA IS MEDIA! The Woman Angel With A Show has given His Infinite Grace the GIFT of INSIDERISM! I speak the Good News!

[Sonny]

thanks for that

[BluOgre]

Call me confused Flux but why do you care so much about proving Nielsen/VideoScan is inaccurate?

Are you saying because Paramount said they sold 100k Transformers the first day and 190k for the week we should believe them instead of Nielsen/VideoScan saying it was 115k for the week?

Honestly I would rather a 3rd party release real data than numbers thrown out by the stuidos. Numbers released from stuidos can have that typical "spin". Just like MS was releasing SHIPPED numbers for X360, not sold. I don't want to start relying on Stuidos to tell me how much product they shipped to retailers (which is something Universal did years ago with Shrek 2....or was it the first one).

If Nielsen/VideoScan numbers are basically wrong why are stuidos using their numbers when talking to the press? The only time it's been really off is this whole Transformer thing.

[The Shrike]

Originally Posted by RUR

Frankly, your credibility is suffering more than a bit.

But what about The Woman Angel With A Show?? None of you can lay claim to possessing her!

[Flux88MPH]

Originally Posted by RUR

Not to be deterred by contrary claims that Nielsen is not biased, you produce a complete non sequitur regarding Nielsen's TV methodology:

Frankly, your credibility is suffering more than a bit.

I must have missed the moment that credentials were passed out. I never once questioned his creditability, but simply debated his statements based also on what I know. FYI the Blackstone Group, Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co, and the Carlyle Group own Nielsen. So my mentioning of this was completely relevant. These are private equity firms that have known bias and political agendas. I see that as a reason to critically question their format and involvement.

[Dogdvr]

Originally Posted by The Shrike

But what about The Woman Angel With A Show?? None of you can lay claim to possessing her!

Yes,
the TRUE path to our new GOD is finally revealed,
All Hail the prophet Woman Angel
All Hail the prophet Woman Angel

We must all renounce the false deity Maxpower

GOD has spoken

[Blu-Light]

Please don't feed the trolls. Their lives are already miserable enough.

[Dogdvr]

Originally Posted by Blu-Light

Please don't feed the trolls. Their lives are already miserable enough.

Nay I say you must bow down to their superior knowlege

[The Shrike]

Originally Posted by Dogdvr

Nay I say you must bow down to their superior knowlege

Welcome to the Smart Fold, Brother. We Knights of Flux88MPH are known as the Knights of Smarty Geniuses Filled With Brilliant Juice. Together, we anxiously await the news of which show The Woman Angel With A Show runs!

[RUR]

Originally Posted by Flux88MPH

I must have missed the moment that credentials were passed out. I never once questioned his creditability, but simply debated his statements based also on what I know.

Then I suggest it would be prudent for you to spend some time figuring out who's who around here before you debate using your sources of iinformation vs. identified insiders with far better sources.

FYI the Blackstone Group, Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co, and the Carlyle Group own Nielsen. So my mentioning of this was completely relevant. These are private equity firms that have known bias and political agendas. I see that as a reason to critically question their format and involvement.

Sorry, I must have missed the post where you identified whatever "known bias" Nielsen may have, or is this just another sweeping generalization?

Whatever, dude. Nielsen is widely believed to be unbiased and the best source we have as regards sales ratios. Just not by you.

finis

[Flux88MPH]

Originally Posted by BluOgre

Call me confused Flux but why do you care so much about proving Nielsen/VideoScan is inaccurate?

Are you saying because Paramount said they sold 100k Transformers the first day and 190k for the week we should believe them instead of Nielsen/VideoScan saying it was 115k for the week?

Honestly I would rather a 3rd party release real data than numbers thrown out by the stuidos. Numbers released from stuidos can have that typical "spin". Just like MS was releasing SHIPPED numbers for X360, not sold. I don't want to start relying on Stuidos to tell me how much product they shipped to retailers (which is something Universal did years ago with Shrek 2....or was it the first one).

If Nielsen/VideoScan numbers are basically wrong why are stuidos using their numbers when talking to the press? The only time it's been really off is this whole Transformer thing.

As ikbradley so eloquently noticed, I am just keeping a critical eye to the Nielsen ratings and was only questioning their overall company historicals, rather it be in TV or digital media. I do believe that a 3rd party should be involved to collect the data. But I also know that the studios for the most part (with the exception of Paramount-Transformers) can’t afford to fudge numbers that will affect their stock in a falsely inflated way. Being in accounting hell with the Government is not a positive for their business.

[ikbradley]

Originally Posted by Blu-Light

Please don't feed the trolls. Their lives are already miserable enough.

I'm just not sure that what is being done is trolling. What has Flux88MPH done that is so inflamatory?

He questioned the partiality and methodology of the Nielson ratings. With all of the dogma being thrown at Flux88MPH, it seems strange that somehow the questioning the Nielson ratings has become a sacred taboo.

Nothing is perfect. I think a good discussion on the flaws of the Nielson rating would be beneficial for anyone who relies on such information as a resource. You can't say that methodologies are sound until you review them. Are these published. They may be the best that is available, but best isn't perfect.

Am I a troll for questioning the labelling of trolls?

[tiger roach]

Well this thread has pretty much jumped the shark, eh?

[The Shrike]

Originally Posted by Flux88MPH

As ikbradley so eloquently noticed, I am just keeping a critical eye to the Nielsen ratings and was only questioning their overall company historicals, rather it be in TV or digital media. I do believe that a 3rd party should be involved to collect the data. But I also know that the studios for the most part (with the exception of Paramount-Transformers) can’t afford to fudge numbers that will affect their stock in a falsely inflated way. Being in accounting hell with the Government is not a positive for their business.

....annnnnnd that's why Blu-Ray is .... not ... something ... or ... wait ... MEDIA IS MEDIA!! DEATH TO NIELSEN!!!

[BluOgre]

Originally Posted by Flux88MPH

As ikbradley so eloquently noticed, I am just keeping a critical eye to the Nielsen ratings and was only questioning their overall company historicals, rather it be in TV or digital media. I do believe that a 3rd party should be involved to collect the data. But I also know that the studios for the most part (with the exception of Paramount-Transformers) can’t afford to fudge numbers that will affect their stock in a falsely inflated way. Being in accounting hell with the Government is not a positive for their business.

Which is why I'm confused. If nielsen/Videoscan is actually wrong as you suggest (and even worse you think $$ can sway their numbers) then wouldn't any stuidos using their numbers create a situation where they are "fudging numbers that will affect their stock in a falsely inflated way". Basically, exactly what I said about Shrek 2 above.

If Universal for instance uses Nielsen's numbers in their public statements when Shrek 3 is released when they know the numbers are inaccurate then are they not in the same boat...lying to inflate their numbers to raise the value of their stock. Although it works in the short term, when retailers return all unsold product is where you see problems.

For some reason I doubt all the stuidos would put their faith in these numbers if they leaned towards any agenda by any party. Or are you suggesting that Paramount and Universal think Nielsen/Videoscan is biased? If they do this is the first I've heard of it.

[Jimbo976]

Any predictions on Ratatouille sales numbers? I think it will be one of the top 2 or 3 selling Blu-rays this year.

[Flux88MPH]

Originally Posted by RUR

Then I suggest it would be prudent for you to spend some time figuring out who's who around here before you debate using your sources of iinformation vs. identified insiders with far better sources.

Sorry, I must have missed the post where you identified whatever "known bias" Nielsen may have, or is this just another sweeping generalization?

Whatever, dude. Nielsen is widely believed to be unbiased and the best source we have as regards sales ratios. Just not by you.

finis

I have my opinion and you have yours. Are you trying to say that I am not supposed to have one? Nielsen is a resource; I’m just saying it’s not THE resource. Just because someone wears a tag on a forum doesn’t make it so. I didn’t get my manual for the “who’s who of the Blu-ray forums” so I’ll keep an eye out for that in my inbox.

[ikbradley]

Originally Posted by BluOgre

Which is why I'm confused. If nielsen/Videoscan is actually wrong as you suggest (and even worse you think $$ can sway their numbers) then wouldn't any stuidos using their numbers create a situation where they are "fudging numbers that will affect their stock in a falsely inflated way". Basically, exactly what I said about Shrek 2 above.

If Universal for instance uses Nielsen's numbers in their public statements when Shrek 3 is released when they know the numbers are inaccurate then are they not in the same boat...lying to inflate their numbers to raise the value of their stock. Although it works in the short term, when retailers return all unsold product is where you see problems.

For some reason I doubt all the stuidos would put their faith in these numbers if they leaned towards any agenda by any party. Or are you suggesting that Paramount and Universal think Nielsen/Videoscan is biased? If they do this is the first I've heard of it.

It appears to be the best of what we have. Honestly, the last two dozen posts need to be moved to a thread concerning the validity of Nielsen's methodology. I am actually interested as to what is included and how the information is collected.

Getting back to what the thread actually intends. My prediction is 67% Blu-ray. The firesale will probably dampen an otherwise 70%+ Spiderman release week.

[The Shrike]

Originally Posted by Flux88MPH

I didn’t get my manual for the “who’s who of the Blu-ray forums” so I’ll keep an eye out for that in my inbox.

ZING!