When upconvert players cost more than HD DVD players

[SNAP]

He should be able to support whatever he wants. I used to be neutral but now I'm Blu.....my girl the other nite wouldnt buy 2001 because Circuit only had it in Red. She said she knew I was all Blu now. She came home the next nite w/2001 in Blu. We bash people to stop being neutral because it's prolonging the war and we call them impatient because they refuse to wait to buy HD exclusives until they are on BLU. But alot of us are just as impatient by wanting the war to end quickly so we can get the HD exclusives asap.
No matter how long the war lasts it's not taking $$$ out of our pockets. It's just making us wait longer for the titles we want. By being neutral he has the option of buying those titles now and that's his right. If he wants to buy a format tha's only ":good enough" then let him buy it w/out ripping him apart. There's over 90% of the population that have DVD players that arent even close to being "good enough". And we are wondering why they are buying $98.00 HD DVD players. J6P doesnt care about the specs that we swoon over......he cares about $$$ and $$$ alone.

Sling, in your mind, what's the advantage of the war ending quickly??

Originally Posted by Sling

Harsh...not at all.He wants format war to end yet supports both topping that off with Toshiba has a worth while strategy...Come on sega_smasher...His post was bull.
new members joining this forum need to know his 'don't make sense direction'. prolongs such war.

[SNAP]

Excellent point....that's why I went Blu......There's not much on HD that interests me now. Blu will win and all the studios will eventually be under one roof and Toshiba will probably make a Blu player. Just be patient.......there's nothing to lose or get all riled up about. It doesnt matter in the whole scheme of things if it ends in June 2008 or December 2008..Does it??

Originally Posted by SDG

Name 10 must have hd dvd movies that cant be aquired from a Blu supporter. The uninformed person that buys it will get 10 movies free. What future move will be a must have hd dvd in the near future. Long term, this may help hd dvd a little. Short term, i dont think it will help them. I expect to see their attach rate #s go down.

[sega_smasher]

either way, its the mans hard earned money. let him do what he pleases with it. i got friends who are HD DVD exclusive but i respect their opinion and let them have their transformers. isnt that what makes this site better than AVS? everytime someone mentions blu ray over there its either armegeddon or banned. are we going to do the same here on our own site because someone decided they wanted to be purple? cmon sling, be reasonable.

[ikbradley]

Originally Posted by sega_smasher

either way, its the mans hard earned money. let him do what he pleases with it. i got friends who are HD DVD exclusive but i respect their opinion and let them have their transformers. isnt that what makes this site better than AVS? everytime someone mentions blu ray over there its either armegeddon or banned. are we going to do the same here on our own site because someone decided they wanted to be purple? cmon sling, be reasonable.

As far as I have seen, Blu-ray.com is extremely tolerant. It takes a lot to get banned.

The thing that get's people up in arms are the purple's that come in here and have been transformed into unquestioning lemmings. It's amazing what a cheap A-2 can do to change peoples opinions. It's not that people are saying, "well I gotta cheap player and if HD-DVD pans out, great", it's more like, "I jumped ship because Blu-ray wasn't giving me instant gratification".

[SDG]

I wonder why a Blu guy would buy the cheap hd dvd player. You can buy a SD-dvd for a cheaper price, play it in your Blu-ray machine and it will be up scaled to the same PQ. I dont under stand the "logic" for getting one.

[SNAP]

The free films, Transformers?.........Untouchables, Star Trek....who knows.

Originally Posted by SDG

I wonder why a Blu guy would buy the cheap hd dvd player. You can buy a SD-dvd for a cheaper price, play it in your Blu-ray machine and it will be up scaled to the same PQ. I dont under stand the "logic" for getting one.

[JohnGalt]

Originally Posted by SDG

I wonder why a Blu guy would buy the cheap hd dvd player. You can buy a SD-dvd for a cheaper price, play it in your Blu-ray machine and it will be up scaled to the same PQ. I dont under stand the "logic" for getting one.

I'd have snagged one if I'd been able. I gave away my last DVD player when I moved a year ago and only recenly replaced it with a PS3. Unfortunately the PS3 stops briefly during playback of SD DVDs on a fairly regular basis, just small breaks in the video and audio and usually no more than once per film but it's still annoying. A nice upconverting DVD player and ten free HD movies for less than the price of four new Blu-rays? Who wouldn't want one if they could get that deal?

[JohnGalt]

Originally Posted by BluGay

don't forget how loud it is

True but I've not heard it since the new speakers arrived.

[Wet1]

Originally Posted by Sling

Sounds like you wasted money that could have used been used for BR movies

I spent $99. I got a new HDM player that gives me access to at least a 1/3 of the HDM that isn't available on BR. I also got ten movies, most of which aren't available on BR. If they were available on BR, I wouldn't have had to go elsewhere to get this content. Furthermore, I got a player and 10 movies for that price, how many BR movies could I have bought with that? 4 or 5? The problem is, I already own everything I want on BR... that $99 dollars got me 10 movies and opened the door for many other movies I want to see TODAY, not three years from now when BR might win.

Toshiba dumping 1080i product on the consumer selling it well below cost not making a red cent...Topping that off giving up 10 movies for free...Do the math man..Toshiba is drowning.

I stated they are losing money (just like Sony), and I stated why it makes sense to do so for both sides. Do you have poor reading comprehension?

You see no end to this war because consumers like you yourself support both formats.You don't support Blu-ray you support this war

Consumers like myself? You mean the ones that own two BD players and every BR available that they have any interest in? I've spent over $3k on BD, you? You're right, I'm not supporting BR, maybe zealots like yourself will encourage people like myself to take their money elsewhere.

To bad the money you have wasted couldn't be put into the superior format which is Blu-ray but hey you don't like the format war if that makes any sense.

No it makes no sense, I have no idea what you mean by this fragmented thought. I've spent $3,000+ on BR and $99 on HD DVD. As I stated above, I'm a HDM consumer, if BR can offer me everything I want I'll buy the BR format. Even though I've put much more $$$ than your average Joe into BR, this still does change the fact that this war isn't going to be over anytime soon. Me being exclusive to BR up to this point obviously hasn't ended the war.

No you dont or you would be Blu-ray exclusive.

I don't want BR to win the war? You maybe you'd be right if all BR fanatics were like yourself, that would certainly get me to switch over to HD DVD!

Your not happy with the time frame yet you support HD-DUD...

I want to see movies that are available today, not two years from now. Furthermore, even someone with your intelligence should be able to figure out that I've supported BR much more so with my $ than HD DVD.

...hmm your lost and scared.

Of what? Some 150# 17 y/o Internet zealot?

Stop fooling yourself.Your opinions worth 1 cent.

I came here to get away from the shit-starting idots in the HDM forum of AVS, I see this site has it's share as well.



BTW, Saga... thanks.

[Sling]

Originally Posted by SNAP

He should be able to support whatever he wants.

I never told him what to support.He can stick money in walls as far as I'm concerned but playing the crying game about a war hes adding to buying HD-DUD makes no sense.

Originally Posted by SNAP

But alot of us are just as impatient by wanting the war to end quickly so we can get the HD exclusives asap..

That the great thing about up-convert .I use it well and skip HD-DUD titles.

Originally Posted by SNAP

No matter how long the war lasts it's not taking $$$ out of our pockets. It's just making us wait longer for the titles we want. By being neutral he has the option of buying those titles now and that's his right.??

And that the point of getting this war over with so all titles are available in blu-ray

Originally Posted by SNAP

If he wants to buy a format tha's only ":good enough" then let him buy it w/out ripping him apart..

Ripping him apart....How would this be if he wants format war to end fast yet runs HD-dud as well...Heck lets all pic up multi format players and want the format war over..Does that make sense?That's basically what he supports.

Originally Posted by SNAP

There's over 90% of the population that have DVD players that arent even close to being "good enough". And we are wondering why they are buying $98.00 HD DVD players. J6P doesnt care about the specs that we swoon over......he cares about $$$ and $$$ alone...

hmm that makes sense then.You buy HD-dud to get titles in HD yet the format dies then you will buy them in Blu-ray..Thats one way to save money.

Originally Posted by SNAP

Sling, in your mind, what's the advantage of the war ending quickly??

Being able to buy HD movies in one format with better quality..Isn't that the reason you support blu-ray..That's my reason.

[Sling]

Originally Posted by Wet1

I spent $99. I got a new HDM player that gives me access to at least a 1/3 of the HDM that isn't available on BR. I also got ten movies, most of which aren't available on BR. If they were available on BR, I wouldn't have had to go elsewhere to get this content. Furthermore, I got a player and 10 movies for that price, how many BR movies could I have bought with that? 4 or 5? The problem is, I already own everything I want on BR... that $99 dollars got me 10 movies and opened the door for many other movies I want to see TODAY, not three years from now when BR might win.



I stated they are losing money (just like Sony), and I stated why it makes sense to do so for both sides. Do you have poor reading comprehension?

Consumers like myself? You mean the ones that own two BD players and every BR available that they have any interest in? I've spent over $3k on BD, you? You're right, I'm not supporting BR, maybe zealots like yourself will encourage people like myself to take their money elsewhere.



No it makes no sense, I have no idea what you mean by this fragmented thought. I've spent $3,000+ on BR and $99 on HD DVD. As I stated above, I'm a HDM consumer, if BR can offer me everything I want I'll buy the BR format. Even though I've put much more $$$ than your average Joe into BR, this still does change the fact that this war isn't going to be over anytime soon. Me being exclusive to BR up to this point obviously hasn't ended the war.



I don't want BR to win the war? You maybe you'd be right if all BR fanatics were like yourself, that would certainly get me to switch over to HD DVD!



I want to see movies that are available today, not two years from now. Furthermore, even someone with your intelligence should be able to figure out that I've supported BR much more so with my $ than HD DVD.



Of what? Some 150# 17 y/o Internet zealot?



I came here to get away from the shit-starting idots in the HDM forum of AVS, I see this site has it's share as well.



BTW, Saga... thanks.

Bottom line.
You support Blu-ray first then support Hd-dud and want war to end.Lets all buy multi format players and put a end to format war.
Lets call Blu-ray.com ...Multi-format.com.
EDIT -UN-NEEDED COMMENT DIRECTED TO INTAMIN & WET1 ...APOLOGIZES TO BOTH
If you want Blu-Ray to be final product dont support HD-DUD and war will end faster.Choose one format and stick to it .

[SNAP]

Of course that's why I support Blu.......But the avg. Joe sees a $98.00 HDDVD and upconverting player and he's gonna buy it. He may not know about the war or the specs. He PROBABLY DOESNT EVEN have a TV that does 1080i.

When my aunt died her son, my cousin Vinny, found $11,000 inside the wall in their house.........No lie.

Originally Posted by Sling

I never told him what to support.He can stick money in walls as far as I'm concerned but playing the crying game about a war hes adding to buying HD-DUD makes no sense.

That the great thing about up-convert .I use it well and skip HD-DUD titles.


And that the point of getting this war over with so all titles are available in blu-ray

Ripping him apart....How would this be if he wants format war to end fast yet runs HD-dud as well...Heck lets all pic up multi format players and want the format war over..Does that make sense?That's basically what he supports.


hmm that makes sense then.You buy HD-dud to get titles in HD yet the format dies then you will buy them in Blu-ray..Thats one way to save money.

Being able to buy HD movies in one format with better quality..Isn't that the reason you support blu-ray..That's my reason.

[Sling]

Originally Posted by SNAP

Of course that's why I support Blu.......But the avg. Joe sees a $98.00 HDDVD and upconverting player and he's gonna buy it. He may not know about the war or the specs. He PROBABLY DOESNT EVEN have a TV that does 1080i..

That's correct which is Toshiba gold customer right now.There focus isn't best picture available but to dump 1080i players on uninformed customer.

Originally Posted by SNAP

When my aunt died her son, my cousin Vinny, found $11,000 inside the wall in their house.........No lie.

First of all im sorry to hear of your loss.The money in wall...very very cool f,sure

[SNAP]

Thanks....she was 98(lol like the player) anyway and not healthy at all.

Sling, I cant even see the difference between 1080i & 1080p. Do you think J6P will??And to him 1080i will be the same as looking out his window his PQ will be show much better than he's ever seen and he'll buy the Westinghouse 42" plasma for $799 and be like a pig in slop.......I cant hear the diff between DD+ & Lossless, do you think he will??...And nobody in any stores are gonna educate him about it either. They'll just sell him what he has in his hands at the register and go onto the next person.

Originally Posted by Sling

That's correct which is Toshiba gold customer right now.There focus isn't best picture available but to dump 1080i players on uninformed customer.


First of all im sorry to hear of your loss.The money in wall...very very cool f,sure

[Sling]

Originally Posted by SNAP

Thanks....she was 98(lol like the player) anyway and not healthy at all.

Sling, I cant even see the difference between 1080i & 1080p. Do you think J6P will??And to him 1080i will be the same as looking out his window his PQ will be show much better than he's ever seen and he'll buy the Westinghouse 42" plasma for $799 and be like a pig in slop.......I cant hear the diff between DD+ & Lossless, do you think he will??...And nobody in any stores are gonna educate him about it either. They'll just sell him what he has in his hands at the register and go onto the next person.

Great post a couple min ago on difference of 1080i / 1080p
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...9&postcount=38

[SNAP]

Excellent post..........720p is much better for sports than 1080i...........That I knew. But 1080i is the best AVJOE is going to see if he even has HDTV. And to him that's heaven. To convince him to buy a 1080p TV if he doesnt have BLU is going to be impossible. Because the most HDTV does is 1080i and the A@ also only does 1080i. He's the guy that has to be educated, not the Blu guy that wants to spend $98, get the free movies and then buys or rents Transformers.

And no I didnt get a dime of that $11,000.....lol

Originally Posted by Sling

Great post a couple min ago on difference of 1080i / 1080p
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...9&postcount=38

[SNAP]

Sling,

I'm registered on the STARTREK.COM website and you're not gonna believe the email I just received:

http://www.startrek.com/startrek/vie...dmh=dm4.232742

[JumboJoe]

Originally Posted by Sling

Bottom line.
You support Blu-ray first then support Hd-dud and want war to end.Lets all buy multi format players and put a end to format war.
Lets call Blu-ray.com ...Multi-format.com.
Wake up and make sense for you are lacking.
If you want Blu-Ray to be final product dont support HD-DUD and war will end faster.Choose one format and stick to it .

You are completely right!!

We cannot survive the defections of traitors to the cause! In the civil war did the North let traitors go to the South to fight against them and still call them friendlys? That would be insane, that would be brother against brother, and as a famously saying goes "a house in divide cannot stand up against us."

This is a free country and once you choose Blue there aint no more choosing left for you. You have to be ready to die Blue.

I'm in this thing to the end and I aint no neuteral!

[Sling]

Originally Posted by SNAP

Sling,

I'm registered on the STARTREK.COM website and you're not gonna believe the email I just received:

http://www.startrek.com/startrek/vie...dmh=dm4.232742

lol Toshiba is pulling out all the stops to say the least..This is really good news though.The HD-DUD DVD sales will still stay low and the consumer of there player wont feel as ripped off after they upgrade to Blu-Ray player seeing they got the HDUD free or for 99 bucs so they only wasted little money.

[Intamin]

Originally Posted by Sling

Bottom line.
You support Blu-ray first then support Hd-dud and want war to end.Lets all buy multi format players and put a end to format war.
Lets call Blu-ray.com ...Multi-format.com.
Wake up and make sense for you are lacking.
If you want Blu-Ray to be final product dont support HD-DUD and war will end faster.Choose one format and stick to it .

You miss the point that the fire sale is going to cause them to sell one way or the other. There is NO denying it. So chill out if a Blu supporter got one, it's far better in the hands of a Blu fan than in J6P's hands. If the player wasn't going to sell, then why would the be all sold out? It's not like he's advocating everyone to go buy the cheap player, he picked one up instead of someone else. To call him not a supporter of Blu is illogical. If he says he is, and buys blus, then he is a supporter.