Predator (1987) (Ultimate Hunter Edition)

[bleauboy]

Movies with the best PQ Narnia, Hellboy 2, Avatar. No grain in those, yet they got the best Pq scores. Explain that to me. I understand some grain can look good in movies, not going to debate that.

Troll's gonna troll

How the heck am I being called a troll, some you guy's are trolls. look at my first post

There may be a very small increase in sharpness, thats it. It will be barely noticeable. It will make the grain even worse. A new master will not take out the grain or make detail appear sharper. It would take a digital restoration to make it shine.

So an AVC encode may enhance sharpness a little, but it will enhance the grain.

Personally I hate grain. Digital disc with absolutely no grain is my preference. For people who like grain, go buy a film projector and watch your movies on that.

Just trying to explain this movie is will be grain heavy. Also stated my personal preference. Then everybody gets all bent out of shape and starts quoting me. It was an opinion and preference. thats all. I apologize for this statement underlined, it was rude sounding. Did not realize I sounded like a prick.

[Adam.C]

It is preferance, however for me, I want the movie the way it is intended to be seen, grain or no grain...

[Q?]

Originally Posted by bleauboy

Movies with the best PQ Narnia, Hellboy 2, Avatar. No grain in those, yet they got the best Pq scores. Explain that to me. I understand some grain can look good in movies, not going to debate that.

Saving Private Ryan & War Of The Worlds both got perfect scores in the PQ too, both of them are very grainy, explain that to me.

I'll give one, because they all look like they're supposed to look, it's not about which movie has the cleanest, window-like look. It's about replicating the particular look of a movie, they're all unique and they all have different qualities, LUCKILY Blu-ray is the perfect format to showcase how each respective movie is supposed to look, that doesn't always happen unfortunately.

[ryoohki]

Originally Posted by bleauboy

Movies with the best PQ Narnia, Hellboy 2, Avatar. No grain in those, yet they got the best Pq scores. Explain that to me. I understand some grain can look good in movies, not going to debate that.



How the heck am I being called a troll, some you guy's are trolls. look at my first post



Just trying to explain this movie is will be grain heavy. Also stated my personal preference. Then everybody gets all bent out of shape and starts quoting me. It was an opinion and preference. thats all. I apologize for this statement underlined, it was rude sounding. Did not realize I sounded like a prick.

There's grain in Narnia and Hellboy and there's noise in Avatar (digital since it's been shot that way) those movies are 5 years old and less you can't compare that a 80's movie..

[bleauboy]

Ok there may be slight noise in Narnia, Hellboy etc, but I thought majority of the highest PQ scores had the least grain. To me a little is ok, but too much can be distracting, Predator is not bad in some jungles scenes, but in others it is horrible. I mean watching a movie with tons of grain is like having a screen on the TV screen. I understand older movies having more grain. I was not comparing them. Wizard of Oz was shot in black and white, its been restored, it looks great. But should that of had a black and white presentation? I mean it was shot that way right.

[Snikt]

No offense guys, but could take this discussion of grain, noise reduction and other things to a different thread. It's nice that everyone is so involved this thread and wanting a new version of Predator, but the thread has become a breeding ground for bickering and arguing and nobody seems to be getting along

[bleauboy]

Ok I give up. About Predator, I hope there is a Predators sneak peak on it. I hope the picture is upgraded enough so its worth the double dip. I hope some of the features are in hd. What do you guy's think?

[Q?]

Originally Posted by bleauboy

Ok there may be slight noise in Narnia, Hellboy etc, but I thought majority of the highest PQ scores had the least grain. To me a little is ok, but too much can be distracting, Predator is not bad in some jungles scenes, but in others it is horrible. I mean watching a movie with tons of grain is like having a screen on the TV screen. I understand older movies having more grain. I was not comparing them. Wizard of Oz was shot in black and white, its been restored, it looks great. But should that of had a black and white presentation? I mean it was shot that way right.

Originally Posted by Q!

Saving Private Ryan & War Of The Worlds both got perfect scores in the PQ too, both of them are very grainy, explain that to me.

I'll give one, because they all look like they're supposed to look, it's not about which movie has the cleanest, window-like look. It's about replicating the particular look of a movie, they're all unique and they all have different qualities, LUCKILY Blu-ray is the perfect format to showcase how each respective movie is supposed to look, that doesn't always happen unfortunately.

Please read the bold, I think you've misunderstood what Blu-ray is about.
So we can see how each movie is supposed to look.

And WoZ was shot with color too, the opening sequence is in sepia as it originally was. That was done for artistic effect.

[Dotpattern]

Originally Posted by bleauboy

Ok there may be slight noise in Narnia, Hellboy etc, but I thought majority of the highest PQ scores had the least grain. To me a little is ok, but too much can be distracting, Predator is not bad in some jungles scenes, but in others it is horrible. I mean watching a movie with tons of grain is like having a screen on the TV screen. I understand older movies having more grain. I was not comparing them. Wizard of Oz was shot in black and white, its been restored, it looks great. But should that of had a black and white presentation? I mean it was shot that way right.

Wizard of Oz was not shot in black & white. It was shot in color. The Kansas scenes were shot in sepia tone - which is still color.

Edit: Sorry Q!, you beat me to it.

And btw, it's not just older movies that have grain - it's any movie that was shot on film. So The Dark Knight, Iron Man and Star Trek all have grain. The reason Predator has heavy grain isn't because it's older, it's because that's how it was intentionally shot.

[bleauboy]

So The Dark Knight, Iron Man and Star Trek all have grain.

Come dude, those movies are clean. I understand film grain and replicating the original to blu, I am just trying to say too much can be distracting, and it is my preference to not have grain. It's my preference. Older movies have alot more grain yada yada yada. Thats how they're supposed to look. Yeah thats how they're supposed to look back then. Were talking 25 years old. Saving Private Ryan, ok I'll give you that. It's a war film and supposed to look gritty. I don't know what do you guys want me say? Oh grain is fantastic I love it, there should be more oh ah.

[ClaytonMG]

Originally Posted by bleauboy

Come dude, those movies are clean. I understand film grain and replicating the original to blu, I am just trying to say too much can be distracting, and it is my preference to not have grain. It's my preference. Older movies have alot more grain yada yada yada. Thats how they're supposed to look. Yeah thats how they're supposed to look back then. Were talking 25 years old. Saving Private Ryan, ok I'll give you that. It's a war film and supposed to look gritty. I don't know what do you guys want me say? Oh grain is fantastic I love it, there should be more oh ah.

I think where you went wrong is when you told people to buy film projector's if they want grain. Blu-ray is here to replicate the original intended image as faithfully as possible. If there's grain on the source, the grain should be there on the Blu-ray. Sometimes it's stylisticly added (look at Man on Fire, that looks fantastic on Blu-ray has heavy grain), other times it's the stock they used (Predator) or some combination of both.

Either way, I don't think think that it should be removed and result in a loss of a detail just because someone doesn't like grain. You could turn on the noise reduction on your TV. Sure it'll have an adverse effect on PQ, but that probably wouldn't bother you too much provided it gets rid of the grain. Though, I am just assuming you'd rather see things the way you want instead of the way they're intended to be seen (I don't mean offense by this, as I know there are people on the forum that don't calibrate their sets just because they don't like the way the calibration looks and it's their personal preference... though I wouldn't ask any of them their opinion on how a film looks because they wouldn't actually know since they're altering the image...)

But yeah... back to Pedator! I'm actually somewhat excited for this release. I've actually never seen any features for the film so I am looking forward to checking them out. In fact, I think the original Blu-ray release was the first time I've ever owned this film. Now I just have to wait for a good deal on the second one.

[Kirk Out]

i thought this was about predator hunter edition and not another grain debate

[drtre81]

Originally Posted by QuasidodoJr

And that's the issue. There's the possibility, even the probability, that it can look better. You're the only person saying it will look noticeably better. Not that it can or should.

If it's on a larger disk, uses a better codec, and higher bit rate...it's going to look noticably better regardless of if it's the same transfer or not.

Now you are fighting a losing battle against common sense and logic. Let it go.

[bleauboy]

Yeah I didn't realize how much of a jerk I was when I wrote that. After the replies I looked back at it and thought maybe that was wrong writing that.

Now back to predator. I was holding out waiting for a new release, but last summer it was 10 bucks so I picked it up. The PQ was an improvement. I have the DVD special edition and if your a fan, the special features are very interesting. I hope Fox goes all out on this one. If I pick this up I will sell my old one. But I will wait till more news comes about this.

[Dotpattern]

Originally Posted by bleauboy

Come dude, those movies are clean. I understand film grain and replicating the original to blu, I am just trying to say too much can be distracting, and it is my preference to not have grain. It's my preference. Older movies have alot more grain yada yada yada. Thats how they're supposed to look. Yeah thats how they're supposed to look back then. Were talking 25 years old. Saving Private Ryan, ok I'll give you that. It's a war film and supposed to look gritty. I don't know what do you guys want me say? Oh grain is fantastic I love it, there should be more oh ah.

Check out Blade Runner, Road Warrior, 2001 or Casablanca on Blu. Older movies don't have "a lot more grain" just because they're older. It has to do with how they were shot, lighting conditions, cameras and film stock.

Look at The Wrestler. It's a newer movie but it was intentionally shot on 16mm and doesn't have that "clean" look that you're associating with new movies.

[bleauboy]

Dude you know just forget it let it go. I don't want to debate. Any way Road Warrior looks pretty good huh. I have been wanting to get that. Blade runner does look really good. 2001 looks like it was shot yesterday. Tron will probably look pretty good too.

And for those of you that don't like grain, go buy a ****in' PS3 game and play it all ****in' day. This is the ****in' movie blu-ray forum, not the ****in' game forum.

I don't think anyone is talking about games.

[ClaytonMG]

Originally Posted by drtre81

If it's on a larger disk, uses a better codec, and higher bit rate...it's going to look noticably better regardless of if it's the same transfer or not.

Now you are fighting a losing battle against common sense and logic. Let it go.

Not if it's already transparent to the master. Increasing a bitrate doesn't automatically mean it'll look better.

[42041]

I'd say the chances of an 18mbps MPEG2 encode of a full-frame grainy movie being transparent to the master are close to zero...

[BStecke]

Originally Posted by 42041

I'd say the chances of an 18mbps MPEG2 encode of a full-frame grainy movie being transparent to the master are close to zero...

A few of the insiders have said that's pretty much the case.

[Dotpattern]

Originally Posted by bleauboy

Dude you know just forget it let it go. I don't want to debate. Any way Road Warrior looks pretty good huh. I have been wanting to get that. Blade runner does look really good. 2001 looks like it was shot yesterday. Tron will probably look pretty good too.

Sorry, I keep forgetting to use the in my posts. I'm not trying to bludgeon you over the head or have an unfriendly debate - just conversing. You should definitely get Road Warrior!