Star Wars Conceptual Failure?

[jadedeath]

Originally Posted by Blu-Benny

why look @ a saga from this point of view???

Maybe the OP has gone over to the dark side and he doesn't see the Sith as "all that bad"

I mean, let's completely ignore that the Emperor was responsible for abolishing the Senate and the mass slaughter of the Jedi and blowing up an entire planet just to prove a point.

Yup, if you ignore that, the Sith really aren't all that bad.........

Logan

[Batman1980]

The Emperor destroyed planets in various ways, he committed genocide, he was a speciest (he didn't allow aliens to join Empire ranks, only humans). He was a tyrant.

[koontz1973]

Destroyed a planet
Killed indiscriminately
Torture
Killed younglings (Blame Lucas for calling them that).
Wiped out all Jedi (apart from 2) all that power and he could not find them)
Started a war to take over the senate
Killed partners in said war
Abolished said senate
Hostile takeovers of business
Allowed own troops to die in meteorite belt
Chopping of limbs (own son for goodness sake. How bad does Vadar need to get).

Loads more stuff to rank the Empire up there with the worst of them.

Then again, the Rebel Alliance was just a terrorist organisation that won. So if the winners wrote history, the Empire may of been good but with bad press.

[Lord_Stewie]

Originally Posted by koontz1973

Destroyed a planet
Killed indiscriminately
Torture
Killed younglings (Blame Lucas for calling them that).
Wiped out all Jedi (apart from 2) all that power and he could not find them)
Started a war to take over the senate
Killed partners in said war
Abolished said senate
Hostile takeovers of business
Allowed own troops to die in meteorite belt
Chopping of limbs (own son for goodness sake. How bad does Vadar need to get).

Loads more stuff to rank the Empire up there with the worst of them.

Then again, the Rebel Alliance was just a terrorist organisation that won. So if the winners wrote history, the Empire may of been good but with bad press.

Palpatine also destroyed the planet of Caamas. He constructed giant weapons of mass destruction. He created the largest galactic army ever. He enslaved aliens to work for him on the planet Byss, which is a Dark Side conduit. It's a Dark Side-infected planet. He completed two books on the Dark Side, and wasn't able to finish a third. His own men tried to overthrow him. He dissolved the Galactic Senate. He killed politicians. He operated with Black Sun, a criminal organization. Etc. etc.

[BarkingGhost]

Originally Posted by Lord_Stewie

Palpatine also destroyed the planet of Caamas. He constructed giant weapons of mass destruction. He created the largest galactic army ever. He enslaved aliens to work for him on the planet Byss, which is a Dark Side conduit. It's a Dark Side-infected planet. He completed two books on the Dark Side, and wasn't able to finish a third. His own men tried to overthrow him. He dissolved the Galactic Senate. He killed politicians. He operated with Black Sun, a criminal organization. Etc. etc.

Not sure if I'd consider Palpatine == Empire. The Empire as a whole had many leadership folks in it.

[Sith]

Originally Posted by BarkingGhost

Not sure if I'd consider Palpatine == Empire. The Empire as a whole had many leadership folks in it.

Palpatine was to the Empire what Hitler was to the Nazi party. He created it, he formed it, he took power and became a dictator with it.

While your right that the Empire had many other people including the semi-human individual in my Avatar doing atrocities in his name. He ruled by fear and intimidation, anyone in the Empire realized they would be killed for even minimul disobediance to his rule. The only individual in the Empire that didn't fear the Emperor was Vader.

[BluBonnet]

Originally Posted by Sith

Palpatine was to the Empire what Hitler was to the Nazi party. He created it, he formed it, he took power and became a dictator with it.

And the Empire also lost power as he was going down... literally!!

[Batman1980]

Originally Posted by koontz1973

Destroyed a planet
Killed indiscriminately
Torture
Killed younglings (Blame Lucas for calling them that).
Wiped out all Jedi (apart from 2) all that power and he could not find them)
Started a war to take over the senate
Killed partners in said war
Abolished said senate
Hostile takeovers of business
Allowed own troops to die in meteorite belt
Chopping of limbs (own son for goodness sake. How bad does Vadar need to get).

Loads more stuff to rank the Empire up there with the worst of them.

Then again, the Rebel Alliance was just a terrorist organisation that won. So if the winners wrote history, the Empire may of been good but with bad press.

Destroyed more than 1 planet
More than Yoda and Obi-Wan remained.

[Gabriel360]

Originally Posted by Gandalf Stormcrow

The Emperor destroyed planets in various ways, he committed genocide, he was a speciest (he didn't allow aliens to join Empire ranks, only humans). He was a tyrant.

I don't recall seeing any women working for the Empire either.

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by Gabriel360

I don't recall seeing any women working for the Empire either.

There is a few in the expanded universe but they are rare

[Grand Bob]

Historically, organizations that desire to control and dominate the masses aren't favorable to cultures that disagree with them. I imagine that would apply to the Empire.

[Bluyoda]

This thread is Bantha Podoo!

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by Bluyoda

This thread is Bantha Podoo!

I tought you were Yoda, when did you become Sebulba

[Bluyoda]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

I tought you were Yoda, when did you become Sebulba

The moment someone created a pointless thread such as this one.

[Kyo28]

Hmm, the Empire is depicted as a totalitarian, repressive regime. That for me alone already validated the efforts of the Rebels.

[GORT]

I know i get a warm fuzzy feeling when I hear the word Stormtrooper

[callas01]

Yes if you start with episode 4 there could be a little confusion as to why the rebel party is going after the Empire to bring them down.

However doesn't Lucas tell us in the prequeals that it was once just the democracy of the republic, and that things started to happen once a Sith came on scene? And now they are holding a planet hostage and invading them. Then they try to assasinate a Senator and are contriving a plot to bring a bunch of planets together to form an alliance against the republic. Then they attack the peace keeping jedi's and seek out Senators that are not in favor of the new dictator ship..... pretty much that is 3 movies prior to Star Wars.

So since its only been 20+ years since the Sith and the Empire took over, and the oppressed people of the republic are still fighting to gain back their control of the universe. Hence, now we have the start of the 2nd trilogy. So all in all, NO Star Wars was not a conceptual failure.

Understand that Lucas had developed a back story to these movies well before the prequels came out, even before Star Wars did in 1977. Sorry that you feel he needed to tell you all of this ahead of time. As it was said, he pretty much lead you to know that yes these were the bad people.

Just as a side note, There was originally supposed to be 9 episodes. However with the books that were written, he decided not to pursue the last 3 episodes. It just goes to show that the story was meant to be much bigger then the first (1977) movie.

[Blu-Benny]

Originally Posted by jadedeath

Maybe the OP has gone over to the dark side and he doesn't see the Sith as "all that bad"

I mean, let's completely ignore that the Emperor was responsible for abolishing the Senate and the mass slaughter of the Jedi and blowing up an entire planet just to prove a point.

Yup, if you ignore that, the Sith really aren't all that bad.........

Logan

[BarkingGhost]

Originally Posted by jadedeath

Maybe the OP has gone over to the dark side and he doesn't see the Sith as "all that bad"

I mean, let's completely ignore that the Emperor was responsible for abolishing the Senate and the mass slaughter of the Jedi and blowing up an entire planet just to prove a point.

Yup, if you ignore that, the Sith really aren't all that bad.........

Logan

I never asked for reflections of the social level, but life to the individual.