ABC's "Lost" Discussion (2004-2010)

[Grumpz]

Ok, I've stayed out of this entire thread up until now. Didn't want anyones ideas or theories to change how I felt this series was going.

Anyways, I was delayed in watching the Finale until last night...so, WHAT?

Everything happening in real time, was real, and everything happening from the point where the plane DID NOT crash, where Jack notices the red on his neck, was bogus, since everyone was dead? Everyone who died on the Island, died on the on Island...the rest lived out there lives then died, all coming together in this special place, once Jack realized he was dead?

So we come away with...

Not knowing what the island was?

No answers about the Darma Initiative.

No answers about the others.

No answers about how the time travel was possible.

No answers...pretty much...PERIOD!

[NeoCortex]

Originally Posted by Grumpz

Ok, I've stayed out of this entire thread up until now. Didn't want anyones ideas or theories to change how I felt this series was going.

Anyways, I was delayed in watching the Finale until last night...so, WHAT?

Everything happening in real time, was real, and everything happening from the point where the plane DID NOT crash, where Jack notices the red on his neck, was bogus, since everyone was dead? Everyone who died on the Island, died on the on Island...the rest lived out there lives then died, all coming together in this special place, once Jack realized he was dead?

So we come away with...

Not knowing what the island was?

No answers about the Darma Initiative.

No answers about the others.

No answers about how the time travel was possible.

No answers...pretty much...PERIOD!

The Island was a place with a powerful electromagnetic force that was responsible for life and holding back "evil".

What more do you want about Dharma? They came to the Island to study the electromagnetic properties.

The Others were people who were brought to the Island over time by Jacob.

No real solid explanation of time travel. That was mostly a plot device so they wouldn't have to have a bunch of explanation about Dharama instead of just showing it.

[Master Charles]

Originally Posted by NeoCortex

The Island was a place with a powerful electromagnetic force that was responsible for life and holding back "evil".

What more do you want about Dharma? They came to the Island to study the electromagnetic properties.

The Others were people who were brought to the Island over time by Jacob.

No real solid explanation of time travel. That was mostly a plot device so they wouldn't have to have a bunch of explanation about Dharama instead of just showing it.

What we don't know is what the Others were doing with the children and why they were "special".

The writers just dropped that.

We also don't know what the numbers mean or why they are powerful.

[TooBlu]

Originally Posted by Master Charles

What we don't know is what the Others were doing with the children and why they were "special".

The writers just dropped that.

We also don't know what the numbers mean or why they are powerful.

i still love lost

[Master Charles]

I know. I would love those questions answered but Lost is still the best TV show ever IMO followed by Battlestar Galactia.

[NeoCortex]

Originally Posted by Master Charles

What we don't know is what the Others were doing with the children and why they were "special".

The writers just dropped that.

We also don't know what the numbers mean or why they are powerful.

The Others wanted children because they couldn't have children of their own. The only "special" one was Walt. He was similar to original MiB. He was simply born "special"

The numbers represented the degrees around the lighthouse for each of the candidates. The numbers themselves aren't powerful. It was simply a running theme. Maybe there was an even higher power in charge of everything, like fate?

[Lacit170]

Originally Posted by NeoCortex

The Others wanted children because they couldn't have children of their own. The only "special" one was Walt. He was similar to original MiB. He was simply born "special"

The numbers represented the degrees around the lighthouse for each of the candidates. The numbers themselves aren't powerful. It was simply a running theme. Maybe there was an even higher power in charge of everything, like fate?

you really believe that about the children? he was born special but they couldnt delve into any reasons as to why he was special? and hes so special, they decided to let him go?? also, why did they want Aaron then? why did Whidmore want Ben to kill baby Alex?? lol... i dont think the Others simply wanted children of their own...

so Jacob brought these Others in and while "protecting" the island, he wanted all these experiments done on children? lol

[NeoCortex]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

you really believe that about the children? he was born special but they couldnt delve into any reasons as to why he was special? and hes so special, they decided to let him go?? also, why did they want Aaron then? why did Whidmore want Ben to kill baby Alex?? lol... i dont think the Others simply wanted children of their own...

so Jacob brought these Others in and while "protecting" the island, he wanted all these experiments done on children? lol

Walt was let go because the Others got more than they bargained for with him. I think that was mentioned briefly in the show, as well as shown in one of the missing pieces clips.

They wanted Aaron because he was born on the island and they were still investigating the fertility issues. Widmore wanted baby Alex killed because he wanted both Alex and Daniel killed. They were outsiders to the island and needed to be eliminated. This was before Ben was in charge and became obsessed with the fertility issues.

Jacob never wanted the experiments done on the children. His whole thing was "free will". He wanted to bring people to the island and then see what they would do. Other than having Richard as an advisor to the Others, he had a strict hands-off policy with them.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by NeoCortex

The Others wanted children because they couldn't have children of their own. The only "special" one was Walt. He was similar to original MiB. He was simply born "special"

He wan't *that* special since it was the Others who let him go at the end of season 2 with Michael and the boat.

[NeoCortex]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

He wan't *that* special since it was the Others who let him go at the end of season 2 with Michael and the boat.

They let him go because he was more special than they expected. He was seen as potentially being dangerous.

[The Big Blue]

I think Walt is a case where they just made a big mistake production-wise. The kid was growing like a weed and the original plans had to be scrapped so they sent him away and explained him away as best they could.

[NeoCortex]

Originally Posted by The Big Blue

I think Walt is a case where they just made a big mistake production-wise. The kid was growing like a weed and the original plans had to be scrapped so they sent him away and explained him away as best they could.

That's pretty much it. They started off having him, at 12, play an 8 year old. Now he's about 12 feet tall.

While I would have really liked to have seen more of Walt in the show, I'm mostly content with how they took care of it.

[statikcat]

Originally Posted by Lacit170

so Jacob brought these Others in and while "protecting" the island, he wanted all these experiments done on children? lol

Smokey goal was to corrupt and/or deceive those brought to the island by Jacob with the end result to kill Jacob and possibly blow up the island. For a long time Jacob decided to stay out of it until Richard convinced him that he needed to take more 'action' which is how Richard became his #2. Jacob's reason for even bringing people to the island was ultimately to kill Smoke because he could not. Jacob still did not give any direct orders to darma or the others. Ben was mislead for a very long time by MIB who fooled Ben into thinking he was Jacob. MIB was the master manipulator and I assume might also be related to why the Darma initiative was drilling holes into the light which is exactly what MIB was doing in the flash back episode.

Basically, the others were taking orders from Ben who was mistakenly taking orders from MIB. Remember the whole "Jacob's Cabin" thing? Once you get introduced to the others .. all the way through season 5 there are tons of things that at the time make little sense but in retrospect explain the entire darma/others conflict and how smokey played his part in the entire thing.

[Zvi]

Originally Posted by statikcat

Basically, the others were taking orders from Ben who was mistakenly taking orders from MIB. Remember the whole "Jacob's Cabin" thing? Once you get introduced to the others

I doubt that. In S5 finale Ben's main complaint was that Jacob never talked to him(Ben) and it was always through Richard, bringing the lists, etc.
After all, Richard knew perfectly well where and who Jacob was.
Ben didn't even hear MIB's help me in that cabin...

Originally Posted by The Big Blue

The kid was growing like a weed and the original plans had to be scrapped so they sent him away and explained him away as best they could.

Best they could being "simply forget him". Walt growing too fast explains why he never showed up in the show, but that is a lame excuse never explaining why was he so important to Ben and others.
It's that difficult to have 5 minute conversation between Ben and Jack where Ben says this is why he was important? What, Walt necessarily had to be present in that conversation?

[The Big Blue]

Oh crap! Limbaugh was just pushing the island purgatory theory.

[Lacit170]

Originally Posted by Zvi

I doubt that. In S5 finale Ben's main complaint was that Jacob never talked to him(Ben) and it was always through Richard, bringing the lists, etc.
After all, Richard knew perfectly well where and who Jacob was.
Ben didn't even hear MIB's help me in that cabin...

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Best they could being "simply forget him". Walt growing too fast explains why he never showed up in the show, but that is a lame excuse never explaining why was he so important to Ben and others.
It's that difficult to have 5 minute conversation between Ben and Jack where Ben says this is why he was important? What, Walt necessarily had to be present in that conversation?

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these were my points exactly.... people need to stop trying to explain things that Lost itself didnt explain....

[Moviefan1203]

Source - http://www.comingsoon.net/news/tvnews.php?id=66430

Michael Emerson dropped by the G4's "Attack of the Show" this week and revealed that the "Lost: The Complete Collection" Blu-ray and DVD sets, coming to stores on August 24, will have more on Hurley and Ben Linus' story after where the series finale ended.

"Well, for those people that want to pony up and buy the Complete Lost Series, there is a bonus feature, which is, uhm, you could call it an epilogue, a lost scene," he said. "It's a lot, it's 12 or 14 minutes that opens a window onto that gap of unknown time between Hurley becoming number one and the end of the series."

Asked if that could lead to a spin-off series with Hurley and Ben Linus, he added, "It's self-contained, although it's a rich period in the show's mythology that's never been explored, so who knows what will come of it."

I wonder if that scene will also be on the single season Blu-ray? I sure hope so, as I already have the previous five seasons of Lost on Blu-ray and have no interest in buying the complete set.

[statikcat]

Originally Posted by Zvi

I doubt that. In S5 finale Ben's main complaint was that Jacob never talked to him(Ben) and it was always through Richard, bringing the lists, etc.
After all, Richard knew perfectly well where and who Jacob was.
Ben didn't even hear MIB's help me in that cabin...

Ben also made statements in S6 regarding how he was fooled by MIB when he released the smoke monster so they obviously had communication. It's very obvious that MIB was giving Ben orders under what I assume pretending to be Jacob hence the Jacob's Cabin which was Smokey.

I don't remember the exact time line but to me .. Ben realized he was being tricked and was not actually communicating with Jacob. He was doing horrible things under the presumption it was for good. When he finally met Jacob this seemingly fueled his anger towards how Jacob never talked to him. Don't you get it? Smokey tricked Ben into doing his dirty work pretending to be Jacob. Then he takes Lockes body and convinces Ben that Jacob was too good for him and to kill him. It was a thought out plan by Smokey.

Read up on the Cabin. Jacob had not been in the cabin for a very long time according to Illyana. MIB was using it to trick people including Locke when he asked him to move the island as Christian.

http://lostpedia.wikia.com/wiki/Jacob%27s_cabin

The Man in Black disguised as Christian Shephard was seen by Hurley sitting inside the cabin. "Christian" claimed to represent Jacob when Locke entered the cabin a second time and told Locke that he must "move the Island."

[JurassicMass88]

Originally Posted by Moviefan1203

Source - http://www.comingsoon.net/news/tvnews.php?id=66430

I wonder if that scene will also be on the single season Blu-ray? I sure hope so, as I already have the previous five seasons of Lost on Blu-ray and have no interest in buying the complete set.

I doubt it'll be on the single season Blu-ray. This is just a way to make people re-buy all of the previous seasons, just for this exclusive bonus feature on the complete set. Let's just hope it isn't as bogus as the Jimmy Kimmel alternate endings.

[JurassicMass88]

Originally Posted by statikcat

Ben also made statements in S6 regarding how he was fooled by MIB when he released the smoke monster so they obviously had communication. It's very obvious that MIB was giving Ben orders under what I assume pretending to be Jacob hence the Jacob's Cabin which was Smokey.

I don't remember the exact time line but to me .. Ben realized he was being tricked and was not actually communicating with Jacob. He was doing horrible things under the presumption it was for good. When he finally met Jacob this seemingly fueled his anger towards how Jacob never talked to him. Don't you get it? Smokey tricked Ben into doing his dirty work pretending to be Jacob. Then he takes Lockes body and convinces Ben that Jacob was too good for him and to kill him. It was a thought out plan by Smokey.

So what was Richard doing while Ben was (unknowingly) being ordered around by the MIB?