The Official Energy Speakers Thread

[arrt vandelay]

Originally Posted by Miker107

Hey there arrt, how long have you owned those C-500's?

just over a year. i bought them brand new from audio advisor around this time last year.

[Miker107]

Originally Posted by arrt vandelay

just over a year. i bought them brand new from audio advisor around this time last year.

Boy, if I could only sell all this car audio stuff I have. I have a sales flier circulating out here at the office, but everyone is worried about losing there job right now with the drilling stopped in the Gulf. I think I have a fair chance, but some of these guys are getting transferred to other places including over seas. It's starting to get a little rough out here. Had one guy want my JL audio subs, but he wound up having to buy his kid a new phone.

[callas01]

Originally Posted by Miker107

ok, so it's almost 2 am and I couldn't sleep, so of course began thinking again. I remembered something Callas said in a few posts above this one about the spacing of the speakers from the wall. I got up and took a few measurements and noticed I might have a problem. First off my room is a measly 9 1/2 X 10 1/2 for crying out loud, which is fine, but as you can see in the photo I will attach of my current set up I don't have the space to be able to place it 2 ft away from the wall on the right side.
I started to think about this a bit more, and the Energy's have the port behind the speaker, thus the issue of keeping it away from the walls. Now, here I go again, back to the Infinity's. The Infinity P162's have the port in the front of the speaker. Based on this info, do you think I should go the Infinity route, or stick to the plan, get the Energy's and hope for the best?
The way this small room is configured I'm limited to my options as for as placement, so space is very confined. See image attached for reference.

OK, so I think I'll go back to bed now and think about this some more tomorrow. Thanks for your patience with me guys. I'm sure you'll be glad when I finally buy something and quite nagging. lol

Man you're gonna make me think this early.. Im on the west coast dammit.

Here is the easy solution looking at your picture.

Dead center of your room is 4.75 feet. That should be where the center of the TV and Ent Stand is located. Assuming the Stand is 48" wide(4 feet) that leave 2'9" on either side of the stand to place your speakers. WE'LL talk sub later. OK, Your speakers should be on stands 24-30" high(racksandstands.com) and they should be 1 foot wide on either side of the TV, that leaves a distance of 1'9" from the side walls. That is perfect placement. Then for distance from the back wall, you want them to be about level with the front of the TV, so if you drew a line across the front the speakers and TV would all be on the same linear plain. Got me? Based on the fact that the Stand is about 12-18 inches deep, you have now cleared about 6-12" from the back wall. Perfect Again! (man Im good)

The Center channel, ideally, should be on a center stand about 18-24 inches tall, in front of the TV, with a slight angle towards your listening position(but you don't have too).

Sub.... I don't know the size dimensions of the sub, however you can place that anywere.....Right or left wall would be best in this case but you will have to test that. Perhaps put it behind your couch.

OK, so if my math is correct you should be sitting about 9' away if your all the way back against the wall(?), speakers are 6 feet apart and your 9 feet back... just like Energy says, (the sound of golden light rushes throught the air) [oops sorry]... however you may need to sit further up if the sub is behind you, in that case, slightly toe-in the speakers. My speakers are 7 feet apart and I sit 7 feet back... I have a slight toe-in also.

place the surrounds on the wall if you can or put them on stands , either behind if the sub is behind you too... or to the side if your all the back against the wall.... this is where wall mounted RC-Rs or CR10s will be a good fit if your all the way back against the wall.

Lastly, get a dark drape you can put over the window, that will make watching in the day time more enjoyable.

Class dismissed... hahahahahahaha
J/K

I hope that helps, let me know if you have any other questions.

[Miker107]

Originally Posted by callas01

Man you're gonna make me think this early.. Im on the west coast dammit.

Here is the easy solution looking at your picture.

Dead center of your room is 4.75 feet. That should be where the center of the TV and Ent Stand is located. Assuming the Stand is 48" wide(4 feet) that leave 2'9" on either side of the stand to place your speakers. WE'LL talk sub later. OK, Your speakers should be on stands 24-30" high(racksandstands.com) and they should be 1 foot wide on either side of the TV, that leaves a distance of 1'9" from the side walls. That is perfect placement. Then for distance from the back wall, you want them to be about level with the front of the TV, so if you drew a line across the front the speakers and TV would all be on the same linear plain. Got me? Based on the fact that the Stand is about 12-18 inches deep, you have now cleared about 6-12" from the back wall. Perfect Again! (man Im good)

The Center channel, ideally, should be on a center stand about 18-24 inches tall, in front of the TV, with a slight angle towards your listening position(but you don't have too).

Sub.... I don't know the size dimensions of the sub, however you can place that anywere.....Right or left wall would be best in this case but you will have to test that. Perhaps put it behind your couch.

OK, so if my math is correct you should be sitting about 9' away if your all the way back against the wall(?), speakers are 6 feet apart and your 9 feet back... just like Energy says, (the sound of golden light rushes throught the air) [oops sorry]... however you may need to sit further up if the sub is behind you, in that case, slightly toe-in the speakers. My speakers are 7 feet apart and I sit 7 feet back... I have a slight toe-in also.

place the surrounds on the wall if you can or put them on stands , either behind if the sub is behind you too... or to the side if your all the back against the wall.... this is where wall mounted RC-Rs or CR10s will be a good fit if your all the way back against the wall.

Lastly, get a dark drape you can put over the window, that will make watching in the day time more enjoyable.

Class dismissed... hahahahahahaha
J/K

I hope that helps, let me know if you have any other questions.

Callas, you da man, hehe, However, I was thinking about all of that too at 2 this morning while I was sitting in there. I could move the TV to the left a little to make more room on that right side, however, It will be off center from where I'm sitting. Directly across from that window you see to the left is the doorway to enter the room. Next to the doorway I have a twin bed that I sit on to watch the tv directly across from the tv. I really need to move that bed out and put in a couch or something. Anyway, if I move the TV anymore to the left it will not be directly in front of me and will be off axis. That room is just too small, plain and simple. That's why I was going with bookshelves.
I was reading a few pages back and back on this thread this morning and came across a few posts that kind of related to this subject. If I absolutely need to I assume I could just plug the port and see how it sounds. Otherwise, I could just go ahead and move the darn tv and sit closer to the doorway at the end of the bed lol

Edit: Oh, yea, and the center channel issue. When I bought that stand I was hoping to be able to put my center on that second shelf below the tv, but my receiver is so big I couldn't fit my BD player on top of it, so the center wound up on the floor. I tried putting it on the top of the stand directly in front of the tv, but it kind of covered some of the bottom of the screen and I didn't like that so I put it on the floor. I'll probably just build something to lift it up higher.

[callas01]

Originally Posted by Miker107

Callas, you da man, hehe, However, I was thinking about all of that too at 2 this morning while I was sitting in there. I could move the TV to the left a little to make more room on that right side, however, It will be off center from where I'm sitting. Directly across from that window you see to the left is the doorway to enter the room. Next to the doorway I have a twin bed that I sit on to watch the tv directly across from the tv. I really need to move that bed out and put in a couch or something. Anyway, if I move the TV anymore to the left it will not be directly in front of me and will be off axis. That room is just too small, plain and simple. That's why I was going with bookshelves.
I was reading a few pages back and back on this thread this morning and came across a few posts that kind of related to this subject. If I absolutely need to I assume I could just plug the port and see how it sounds. Otherwise, I could just go ahead and move the darn tv and sit closer to the doorway at the end of the bed lol

Edit: Oh, yea, and the center channel issue. When I bought that stand I was hoping to be able to put my center on that second shelf below the tv, but my receiver is so big I couldn't fit my BD player on top of it, so the center wound up on the floor. I tried putting it on the top of the stand directly in front of the tv, but it kind of covered some of the bottom of the screen and I didn't like that so I put it on the floor. I'll probably just build something to lift it up higher.

Do you really NEED a door there... couldn't you put up a drape on a rod that you could fill the door there and then not have to worry about it swinging open... then just keep the door in case you need it in the future, I mean this is your HT room right!! Yes, get the bed outta there and put in a CHAIR... just one.. who needs a wife talking to you while the movies on... and get a mini-fridge with beer... [wow, a momentary lapse of consiousness] OK, so get 2 chairs or a couch.

even if your slightly off mid-axis, just swivel the TV slightly dead on.... perhaps...

Also, you could toe-in just one speaker....

[Bluray_ne1]

Originally Posted by Miker107

I checked out your gallery early on when I first came to these forums. Very nice indeed. I'm very impressed with your set up, and I'm sure they sound fantastic. I would have never thought of setting up 3 centers like that. But it looks like those speakers are well suited for that. Wish I could afford to do it.

Thanks Miker! My only regret is that I can't set the center one up vertically. Now all I need is an amp (heh, heh).

Originally Posted by BigAl87

BTW What bluray has are not specifically center channel speakers RC LCR stands for Left Center Right indeed, they were design to work well horizontally or vetically but yes indeed not to many people went for that option as one LCR retailed at half the price of the pair of RC-30 so same price for the pair.

Exactly Al. The RC-LCR is an extremely versatile speaker, designed to be a center and a bookshelf. I was very fortunate to find 3 cherry ones at very good prices ($350 ea). I'm so glad I went this route. They're the perfect size for my tiny livingroom and sound like speakers twice their size.

[Miker107]

Originally Posted by callas01

Do you really NEED a door there... couldn't you put up a drape on a rod that you could fill the door there and then not have to worry about it swinging open... then just keep the door in case you need it in the future, I mean this is your HT room right!! Yes, get the bed outta there and put in a CHAIR... just one.. who needs a wife talking to you while the movies on... and get a mini-fridge with beer... [wow, a momentary lapse of consiousness] OK, so get 2 chairs or a couch.

even if your slightly off mid-axis, just swivel the TV slightly dead on.... perhaps...

Also, you could toe-in just one speaker....

Man, yea, you and I are on the same wave length. After my last post I was thinking, the tv is on a swivel stand for crying out loud. I could just turn the thing slightly to the right. My wife doesn't watch movies at all poor thing. She's just not into that at all.
The door is not really an issue so much, it's that bed that takes up the entire wall from the door frame all the way to the wall. It's up against that back wall. I'll make it all work somehow.

Oh yea, and thanks for the link to racksandstands.com. I was going to ask about where i could get some decent stands. Should the speakers be slightly above or right at ear level?

[callas01]

Originally Posted by Miker107

Man, yea, you and I are on the same wave length. After my last post I was thinking, the tv is on a swivel stand for crying out loud. I could just turn the thing slightly to the right. My wife doesn't watch movies at all poor thing. She's just not into that at all.
The door is not really an issue so much, it's that bed that takes up the entire wall from the door frame all the way to the wall. It's up against that back wall. I'll make it all work somehow.

Oh yea, and thanks for the link to racksandstands.com. I was going to ask about where i could get some decent stands. Should the speakers be slightly above or right at ear level?

So I seen you on the Infinity thread too... what do you think your going to do?

CB20s, RC-10s, or P162s?

[Miker107]

Originally Posted by callas01

So I seen you on the Infinity thread too... what do you think your going to do?

CB20s, RC-10s, or P162s?

Right now based on all I've been reading through this thread it's the RC-10's. I was concerned about the port issue for a while there, but I think I can make some slight adjustments to make it work. That was the only issue that had me concerned.
I was thinking about the price difference as well, and the specs and reviews looked real good on the P162 quite frankly. They sell the P162 per speaker, so at one point I was even contemplating getting 3 P162's and using one as my center to have all 3 the same across the front. It would have been almost the same price has buying a pair of the RC-10's, but after all the reading I think the RC-10's will do the trick.

[callas01]

Originally Posted by miker107

right now based on all i've been reading through this thread it's the rc-10's. I was concerned about the port issue for a while there, but i think i can make some slight adjustments to make it work. That was the only issue that had me concerned.
I was thinking about the price difference as well, and the specs and reviews looked real good on the p162 quite frankly. They sell the p162 per speaker, so at one point i was even contemplating getting 3 p162's and using one as my center to have all 3 the same across the front. It would have been almost the same price has buying a pair of the rc-10's, but after all the reading i think the rc-10's will do the trick.

buy buy buy buy....

[Miker107]

Originally Posted by callas01

buy buy buy buy....

We are having our town hall meeting this afternoon to find out what the Company is going to do with us. If I have a good Idea that I will have a job in the next 6 months, game on...

I'm definitely going to have to figure something out for my seating arrangement, because if I do move the tv that also moves the audio to the left as well, but I'll figure something out.

[callas01]

Originally Posted by Miker107

We are having our town hall meeting this afternoon to find out what the Company is going to do with us. If I have a good Idea that I will have a job in the next 6 months, game on...

I'm definitely going to have to figure something out for my seating arrangement, because if I do move the tv that also moves the audio to the left as well, but I'll figure something out.

well I hope your job works out for you.

everything need adjusting when you setup a new system, I am still adjusting my setup and I have had it over 2 yrs. Don't rush it and do it right.

[Miker107]

Originally Posted by callas01

well I hope your job works out for you.

everything need adjusting when you setup a new system, I am still adjusting my setup and I have had it over 2 yrs. Don't rush it and do it right.

Thanks a lot. I have some indication that we'll be ok, but I'll see after this official meeting.

You wouldn't happen to know how high I should place them, at ear level or slightly above? I read in the reviews for the P162's that they sounded better placed slightly above ear level right around the port. I'd like to make sure I get the correct stand length. Sitting on the bed I believe my ear level from the floor is somewhere in the range of 33 to 36 inches.

[callas01]

Originally Posted by arrt vandelay

well, i'm not 100% sold on selling the c-500s yet, just seeing if there was any interest. if i do sell them, i'm not looking forward to shipping them. there are a few options i'm looking into right now, and if i get serious about them, i need some cash.

i may end up just sticking w/ the energys too; i mean i do really like them. i may though have the opportunity for a much nicer set up in the near future so i'm exploring all options.

just a hint...deftech, monitor audio, and axiom are in the running...

Arrt, how much are you looking to spend?

personally as you discovered, Deftech does lack some mid-range detail, I think their speakers are nice, but its more about the bi-pole action over high quality mid-range detail.
Monitor Audios are nice, They have great dynamics, mid-range detail, wide sound stage with good depth. To me they are too bright/forward, but that is kinda my take on most British monitor speakers(B&W, KEF, etc.)
Axiom, very interesting. 4x12 seems to feel that if he hadn't of gotten the MA RS6s then he would own the Axioms. I believe he actually likes the Axioms more then the MAs, you could ask him to be sure. I haven't heard them but I only hear good things about them.

Seriously in the price range of the RX6, the Revel Concerta F12s, Focal Chorus 726v or 716v, Dynaudio Excite X16s, Dalis Lektor 6s or 8s($1800 but you could negotiate to $1400, i know) or even the Ikon 5s.

I read a review of the Dyn Excite X12 and was compared to the MA RS6s, the Dyns were better in the mid-range and highs and only had less slam then the RS6s, after that all the Dyn bookshelf speakers were impossible to find, they were all bought up. Just something to think about. The Dali Concepts and Ikon 7s I heard right next to the MA RS6s, and they both just killed the MAs in detail and speed of the drivers. Im not saying that MAs are not good speakers, I like them, but in the price range, there are better ones.

I don't think that Deftech can really compete with the others you and I have listed. JMO. However the bi-pole action makes for a very nice sound stage.

soemthing you may chew on and consider.

[callas01]

Originally Posted by Miker107

Thanks a lot. I have some indication that we'll be ok, but I'll see after this official meeting.

You wouldn't happen to know how high I should place them, at ear level or slightly above? I read in the reviews for the P162's that they sounded better placed slightly above ear level right around the port. I'd like to make sure I get the correct stand length. Sitting on the bed I believe my ear level from the floor is somewhere in the range of 33 to 36 inches.

get 30" stands, the tweeter should be just above ear height I believe.

[MaCruz]

Hey callas01,

My stands are 31", and I feel that I should go higher. The tweeter is slightly above my head BTW.

[Miker107]

Originally Posted by callas01

get 30" stands, the tweeter should be just above ear height I believe.

Ok, thanks, I'm going look at them now.

[callas01]

Originally Posted by MaCruz

Hey callas01,

My stands are 31", and I feel that I should go higher. The tweeter is slightly above my head BTW.

for your fronts or rears? typically the rears should be 1-2 feet above your head if possible. the fronts tweets should be level with your ears or slightly above.

[callas01]

Arrt I also read a review of the Revel F12s and they were comparing them to the more expensive Paradigm Studio 60s and they said the Revels had more detail and speed and bass, but a narrower sound stage, so that is saying something of the $1300 revels compared to the almost $2k pair-o-dimes....

[MaCruz]

Originally Posted by callas01

for your fronts or rears? typically the rears should be 1-2 feet above your head if possible. the fronts tweets should be level with your ears or slightly above.

I was talking about the rears. The fronts are fine though.

Looks I might have to look for higher stands.