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Old 06-09-2010, 10:27 PM   #1
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I'll get this if it comes with a nice slipcover and it ever drops to $15, oh and it has to include the 2D version as well.
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Old 06-09-2010, 10:51 PM   #2
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I'll get this if it comes with a nice slipcover and it ever drops to $15, oh and it has to include the 2D version as well.
All 3-D films are required to be backwards compatible with 2-d players. And as it says in the press release, they are also including the 2-d version. As for $15, I doubt it...the original 2-D version never went below $20.
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Old 06-09-2010, 10:59 PM   #3
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All 3-D films are required to be backwards compatible with 2-d players. And as it says in the press release, they are also including the 2-d version. As for $15, I doubt it...the original 2-D version never went below $20.
It did somewhere, cuz I wouldn't have it if it didn't....and I do.

Yay, the 3D releases begin!
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Old 06-10-2010, 12:40 AM   #4
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It did somewhere, cuz I wouldn't have it if it didn't....and I do.

Yay, the 3D releases begin!
Oh my bad. The lowest I remember seeing it was $19.99 during release week, unless you count coupons or something. I'm sure someone's gotten a good deal here or there though!
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Old 06-10-2010, 12:42 AM   #5
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Oh my bad. The lowest I remember seeing it was $19.99 during release week, unless you count coupons or something. I'm sure someone's gotten a good deal here or there though!
That's probably when I bought it from Amazon. Less than $20 non-the-less.
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Old 06-10-2010, 12:48 AM   #6
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That's probably when I bought it from Amazon. Less than $20 non-the-less.
Like I said...my bad.
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Old 06-09-2010, 11:15 PM   #7
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All 3-D films are required to be backwards compatible with 2-d players. And as it says in the press release, they are also including the 2-d version. As for $15, I doubt it...the original 2-D version never went below $20.
I am kind of curious but was there ever a direct PQ comparison for Monsters vs Aliens from the 3D disc viewed in 2D with the previous 2D release?
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Old 06-09-2010, 11:18 PM   #8
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I plan to buy this as soon as I can. I had been holding off on buying it because I figured it wouldn't take long to get released.
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Old 06-09-2010, 11:25 PM   #9
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I plan to buy this as soon as I can. I had been holding off on buying it because I figured it wouldn't take long to get released.
Do you have a 3D setup yet?
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Old 06-09-2010, 11:53 PM   #10
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Yessssssssssssssssssss

Finally a proper 3D release. Ive been extremely frustrated with the way studios have been implementing 3D releases. As of now all three releases Monsters vs Aliens, Ice Age Dawn of the Dinosaurs, and Coraline have all been exclusive to a hardware brand and all three drop the extra features found on the 2D disc. Hell Monsters vs Aliens even went as far as to drop the 2D discs lossless audio track. A seriously stupid move if there ever was one. Even Disney's A Christmas Carol only offers 3D in an overpriced set that makes 3D fans buy 3 discs they don't need. Separatly encoding 3D and 2D versions makes about as much sense as separately encoding 1080i and 1080p versions. Since 1080p discs can easily be downconverted to 1080i it makes no sense to do so and its the same for 3D

This is a 3D release the way it should be done. General retail at a fair price +1. 2D and 3D versions on the same disc instead of needlessly encoded twice +1. Lossless audio +1. Extras from the 2D disc plus some ported over+1. Sony has finally given us an example of how 3D releases should be done.

Hopefully Dreamworks will follow Sony's example with How to Train Your Dragon. Fingers crossed.
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Old 06-10-2010, 12:27 AM   #11
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Yessssssssssssssssssss
Separatly encoding 3D and 2D versions makes about as much sense as separately encoding 1080i and 1080p versions. Since 1080p discs can easily be downconverted to 1080i it makes no sense to do so and its the same for 3D
At first it didn't make sense why anyone would want to do it...but one of my filmmaker friends explained it to me recently...

If you have 2 2-D images, that make a 3-D image (especially in computer animation) you will have 2 different compositions for each left and right image. Presenting only one of those images makes composition a little lopsided for left or right eye imagery, and therefore when computer animated titles are presented, they are usually rendered 3 times. 2 times for each eye in 3-D, and a third time in 2-d using only one eye view, usually centered between the two.

Also in 2-d films which are converted, (Such as Alice in Wonderland) both eye views are altered from the original 2-D image. When things are re-mapped inward or outward, edge smoothing and image enlargements and reductions take place which impact the original frame. So you are getting 2 altered frames. Most people think they just present the original frame, and then create the depth with the second one, but it's just not the case.

As far as compression goes, Blu-ray holds more than enough space/bandwidth to support 2 images at once without a large drop in quantity...but as we all know, a higher bit rate can improve things at times, therefore, if the 2-D image is on a separate disc (like it is with Christmas Carol) you are getting the best 2-D and the best 3-D by separating the discs.

On films shorter than 90 minutes or so (and presented on a BD-50) a single disc holding both versions should be more than sufficient.

There is also a third reason to offer seperate encodes, but it is minor. Samsung and Panasonic 3D television automatically recognize 3-D content and automatically start playing it as such. If the 3D mode is switched off in the Television, but the player is still delivering a 3D signal, TV settings can be disabled. For example: The Panasonic 3D TV's cannot use the THX mode when downconverting a 3D film to 2D. Also, Samsung and LG limit the video/picture settings on their 3D TV's when playing 3D content (even when the 3D content is being downcoverted to 2D by the TV.)

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Old 06-10-2010, 12:39 AM   #12
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2D and 3D versions on the same disc instead of needlessly encoded twice +1.
Check my above post...but also, the press release says a 2-D version will also be included. It does not say whether it will be the same encode.

This means it could be one of the following release types:
A.) A 1-disc release with the 3-D version, which allows the Blu-ray spec to throw away one eye and present the other.
B.) A 1-disc release with the 2-D and 3-D as separate encodes. Example, 2-D version takes up 20GB, the 3-D takes up 30GB.
C.) Or, a 2-Disc version that presents the same 2-D disc as the second disc, and a separate 3-D disc that contains the new version. (Unlikely, since it says "the disc will also include" instead of "discs")

I personally believe this release will be type "B."

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Old 06-13-2010, 10:32 PM   #13
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Do you have a 3D setup yet?
No but I am going to be getting one sometime in July.
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Old 06-13-2010, 10:35 PM   #14
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No but I am going to be getting one sometime in July.
Sweet! It'll probably be a couple years before I can afford one.
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Old 06-10-2010, 01:21 AM   #15
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I am kind of curious but was there ever a direct PQ comparison for Monsters vs Aliens from the 3D disc viewed in 2D with the previous 2D release?
Let me quote the Blu-Ray.com review of Monsters vs Aliens 3D.

"As to the basics first, fine detail holds up incredibly well -- looking as good as the 2D version, in fact -- throughout"

That should answer your question
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Old 06-10-2010, 01:31 AM   #16
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I wonder if all 3-D releases will come in a clear case with blue BD logo like that? It looks pretty cool.
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Old 06-10-2010, 02:34 AM   #17
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Great news. I had been holding off on picking this up in anticipation for a 3D release. Happy to see it's finally so close. I will more than likely be getting a 3D tv later in the year, hopefully around OCtober/November. So I'll have this waiting for me when I do, and get to finally enjoy the 2D copy in the mean time.

I'll rebuy Monster House because I love it and try to watch each Halloween now.

Open Season I was back and forth on for the longest time. Almost bought it a few times, but never went through with it. I just might wait for a price drop on this one and finally add it to the collection.
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Old 06-13-2010, 11:24 PM   #18
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I'll buy it and watch the 2D version till I get a 3D tv.
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Old 06-14-2010, 02:11 AM   #19
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I never bought this movie for some reason. Might get it if it comes with a 2D copy aswell.
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anyone else having trouble playing this on their regular Blu-ray player? The first one I had skipped, then I exchanged it at the store and this one skips as well. and more than the first!

So I'm wondering if this happens to anyone else or I just got 2 duds in a row.
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