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Old 06-14-2010, 05:53 AM   #3321
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Just went to the theater and caught up on a few movies today:

Prince of Persia - Solid action, and a lot of fun. Jake Gyllenhal was quite as Daston. I liked the music quite a bit. I have a small problem with the ending, but oh well. 7.5/10

The A-Team - This movie was a lot of fun! I love the cast, and the action was good. They kept to the series really well, and I was glad they didn't try to make it more series. Kept it over the top and fun. Sharlto Copley was incredible as Mudock! 8/10

The Karate Kid - So surprised I liked this movie as much as I did. Jaden's a good, young actor and is following his dad's footsteps. I liked his presence in the movie. Jackie Chan was absolutely incredible as Mr. Han. His scene about his past was very heart breaking. I think its his best dramatic peformance to date. The cinematography was incredible, and I will be buying the blu-ray just for that alone. I recommend it. 8.5/10

Get Him to the Greek - This is the funniest movie I have seen in forever! I think its even better than Forgetting Sarah Marshall. I was out of breath by the end of the movie because I couldn't quit laughing. Once again Russel Brand is great as Aldous Snow, and Jonah Hill is at the best I've seen him as Aaron. But who surprised me the most was Sean "P.Diddy" Combs as Sergio. Hes so hilarious in this movie. I want to see more movies with him, hes got great presence and comic timing. Go see this movie! 9.5/10
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I viewed History Of The World Part One a couple of hours ago. A funny movie and most of Mel's are great. PQ is a bit better that High Anxiety, but nothing to write home about, IMO.
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Just went to the theater and caught up on a few movies today:

Prince of Persia - Solid action, and a lot of fun. Jake Gyllenhal was quite as Daston. I liked the music quite a bit. I have a small problem with the ending, but oh well. 7.5/10

The A-Team - This movie was a lot of fun! I love the cast, and the action was good. They kept to the series really well, and I was glad they didn't try to make it more series. Kept it over the top and fun. Sharlto Copley was incredible as Mudock! 8/10

The Karate Kid - So surprised I liked this movie as much as I did. Jaden's a good, young actor and is following his dad's footsteps. I liked his presence in the movie. Jackie Chan was absolutely incredible as Mr. Han. His scene about his past was very heart breaking. I think its his best dramatic peformance to date. The cinematography was incredible, and I will be buying the blu-ray just for that alone. I recommend it. 8.5/10


Get Him to the Greek - This is the funniest movie I have seen in forever! I think its even better than Forgetting Sarah Marshall. I was out of breath by the end of the movie because I couldn't quit laughing. Once again Russel Brand is great as Aldous Snow, and Jonah Hill is at the best I've seen him as Aaron. But who surprised me the most was Sean "P.Diddy" Combs as Sergio. Hes so hilarious in this movie. I want to see more movies with him, hes got great presence and comic timing. Go see this movie! 9.5/10

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Old 06-14-2010, 03:30 PM   #3324
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What am I being the realistic police here? Dude, I think you're being a realistic-rebel to try and kill off your image.

I think I need to step back and talk about the forest, not the trees.
[Show spoiler] I love your analysis and thanks for responding to my review. I think you may be calling something a car and I may be calling it an automobile. What you call a "loop" may be what I call a "spirit", which could have entered her once she was in ship-range. However, I realize that the "spirit" theory is limited to the ship and doesn't account for the son/taxi/seagull at the end (at least not yet )

But, back to the forest. As I asked Jhiggy: in what context do you believe this story occurs? Is Jess dreaming? Is she alive and walking around? I see you wrote you believe everything is actually happening, and she's not having delusions, but how does this pass the "Squid test": where do clones come from? how do you know which Jess is which? why is the "mom" at the end, dead on the road, not any "jess" (blatantly looked like a dark brunette to me)? when you say she "chooses to participate in the loop and play the role of the knocked-off-the-ship Jess", what do you mean? That she chose to kill off everyone and then fell off by choosing to be that JEss? Can she choose which Jess to be? I think until I understand the context (and your rationalization/explanation for impossible scenarios, given that context), any more questions I ask are fruitless as I'm confused 110%
OK. Here we gooooooooo....

[Show spoiler]Context? You want context? I'll give you context. I viewed this as a psychological/fantasy/thriller and therefore had no need for realism. I enjoyed it in the same fashion as, say, Indiana Jones or the Transporter.

In my theory, there are no spirits in Jess or haunting jess. Jess is real. Jess is not sleeping. She is actually experiencing all of this. In hell.

I believe that the Loop is hell. Hell and heaven are (according to those who believe) places of magical proportion and capabilities. Anything goes. Anything is possible in heaven and hell, so I just accept anything the story delivers. Where and when hell is, I dont know and dont care. Heaven and hell are very mysterious and full of unknowns.

The clones as you call them are simply the same Jess that had arrived before, or after OUR Jess in the Loop. But they are all "real" and going through the Loop as well. There are many. Their purpose is simply to be characters in the Loop so that the Loop can exist. How did they arrive? I dont know, the film doesnt say, and we dont know how anyone "gets" to Hell. We know "why" people go to hell, but not "how" they get there.

The fact that the Loop takes place at sea means nothing. The fact that the ship is old means nothing. Its simply the venue for Jess' personal hell.

The Jess that we follow can not choose which Jess to be. But we watch her discover that the other Jess' exist. We watch her discover the hooded one that she knocks off the ship. In the same way, and during her stay on the ship, she REALIZES that she is in a Loop. She also realizes that there are other versions of herself stuck in the loop as well. Some arriving to the loop before her, and some arriving after. Remember the new arrivals that come aboard from the capsized yacht AFTER our Jess is already there? Remember the car keys in the hall that OUR Jess finds? Those were dropped by the Jess that arrived before our Jess. Then later, our Jess is the one that drops them. After our Jess knocks the other one overboard, our Jess realizes that its "her turn" in the line, or queue of Jess's. Its her turn to be the one who gets knocked off. She voluntarily (out of desperation) suits up, plays the role, entices and engages the fresh NEW Jess, and kaboom she gets knocked off. And its likely that the Jess that knocked her off, will later, suit up and do the deeds and get knocked off as well. Its important (for my theory) to remember that there are bunch of Jess', and we are just following one of them. Each one will play every role as they advance through the cycle of the Loop.

As far as the room 327 thing, it could be a nod to the shining or a coincidence. Either way, it didnt bother me, in fact I liked it. I dont think this story is ANYTHING like the shining. Jack was going nuts from isolation over a long period of time. The Loop is only one day and Jess isnt going nuts, she isnt alone, shes just suffering, in hell, being forced to do bad things over and over to be able to see her son ONE MORE TIME, only to have him die, and its her fault, over and over again, forever, and ever, and ever, for all eternity. JHiggy is right, thats a pretty perfect hell for a Mom.

Thats what I see anyway. The more I BS'd with JHiggy, the more I blended his take with mine and this is where I have arrived. I hope I explained that well enough.
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Old 06-14-2010, 03:39 PM   #3325
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(500) Days of Summer

i've watched this film 3 times in two days. it's superb. the writing, the acting, the quirky directing, the oddball design to the story / flow of the film. it's incredible and highly underrated in my opinion.

Joseph and Zooey do a great job at conveying their relationship and the twists and turns it takes. It feels real, it looks real, it sounds real. there were things that Summer (Zooey) says that made me pissed, because i've heard girls say it before. simply, i was pissed because the movie was exactly like real life. the fights, the good times, the bad times, the mundane boring times. it showed that relationships always have peaks and valleys, and not everything ends happily, and not everything goes the way you think it will - because the other person has to feel the same way.

incredibly depressing while also heartwarming and gives a sense of hope, but also allows us as the audience to take away what we want from it. Will Tim (Joseph) find a girl to settle down with, or will he make the same mistakes as before? or new mistakes?

it's great to see a film this refreshing come along where most romantic comedies tell simple stories that have been rehashed a million times. from what i hear (and as they say in the commentary) the film borrows heavily from The Graduate. I've never seen that film, so I have no opinion on the matter. my previous favorite romantic comedy / romance film was The Notebook. and even though i'm huge fans of Rachel McAdams and Ryan Gosling, I connected more to this film than I ever did with The Notebook, so thus, i have a new favorite in this category - (500) Days of Summer. outstanding all around.

5/5
I must agree. A wonderful film, and totally realistic.
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Old 06-14-2010, 04:09 PM   #3326
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[Show spoiler]No, the point is punishment for killing her son, mirroring the Sisyphus myth. So, in a word, punishment. I haven't defined where/when the movie is occuring. I don't think it's purgatory, because that implies she has a chance to get to Heaven, which she doesn't. It's essentially a Dante-esque realm of hell. In a realm such as this, questions concerning more than one Jess and other such things are explainable by virtue of what I perceive to be the point: punishment in a something akin to hell. Usually I'd say that's a cop out in regards to unanswered questions, but in this film I really believe that's what the director was going for.

The question of "how the loop is working" is an unnecessary one if you accept mine and squid's theory of some sort of punishment. Once again, it's not a cop out if the entire point is her being stuck in neverending punishment. Here's my basic chain of events:
1) Jess snaps from pressure and kills her son then herself
2) she wakes up in a version of hell, and some semblance of first scene with her son occurs
3) she goes on the yacht
4) they go on the ship, jess goes crazy just as she did in life, and kills everyone
5) she remains on the ship, but by killing everyone she starts the loop of a new jess waking up on the beach
6) new jess goes to her home, sees bad jess and kills her, attempts to save son in some way, such as driving away
7) son and jess die again, in some way
8) jess sees her son and herself dead in some way, as we see at end of film, then she realizes what's really happening and goes on yacht thinking she can change things maybe, or just accepting that she can only see her son for a few moments over and over.
9) jess takes nap on yacht and forgets (reset)
10) jess and others board yacht, jess kills everyone and then kills the bad original version of herself
11) new jess wakes up on beach, repeat above

In the movie, we see that it's occurred many times before in multiple ways, including corpses, dead birds, lockets, notes, etc.

As for 237, that's a great catch by you but I wholly disagree with your theory deriving from it. Many directors use references in their films to previous films. The horror genre, out of all the genres, does this the most often and most blatantly. The room numbe is a clear reference to the Shining. Does it mean that the film mirrors it? Not at all. However, like the Shining, someone is already dead (Jess) and someone goes crazy and starts killing people. The redrum style writing and use of an axe may be a reference to the Shining, or it may not. A note written in blood and the use of an axe are hardly unusual in the genre; the vast majority of horror films use them, so I think you're looking much to much into those two elements. If they're a reference to the Shining, they're simply a shout out, nothing more. But they're hardly unusual or special. The number on the door, however, is very clearly a reference as you point out. Good catch.
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bravo dude!!

fantastic analysis!! I think I'm coming around. This film definitely has the potential to be a 5-star with more viewings.

A few questions remain:
[Show spoiler]
-how do you know she killed her son? hypothesis?

-is she punished for killing son or just cheating death (as sisyphus dude was)? presumably she could be being punished for the latter and never have done the former, right? I recall the "mom Jess" hitting the son and yelling at him, but how do we conclude she killed him?

-step 11 loops back to step 6 right? great steps by the way! squid is so jealous!

-the biggest thing I'm stuck on is the realm: is she in hell? is she in the real world but in an emotional hell? I personally prefer the latter (which coupled with room 237 is why I lunged for the Shining theory, but as I said in my initial review, I fully conceded that it had gaping holes, such as the taxi, dove, etc at end). Here's the problem I see:
(a) if she is in a literal hell (as you seem to suggest; where she physically died and is now in some kind of an afterlife hell): then the themes of the film are more distant and hard to relate to for me and the average viewer (compared to an "emotional hell")
(b) if she is in a real world (as Squid seemed to suggest), then the necessary consequences of this has realistic implications that don't pass the "squid test" you said above that, given the punishment theory, that its not necessary to explain "how the loop works." did you mean it wouldnt be necessary if we're talking about a real hell/virtual world (agree) or real world (disagree)?

-I love your and Squid's theory, and am just trying to resolve between (a) and (b) above. perhaps its just a matter of suspending disbelief regarding the "loop" and the realm in which its enacted. however, whether it occurs in an actual hell (theme: live a good life, don't f&*k up, coz hell sucks) or a real world (theme: sisyphus behavior won't change your results in life. try something different if you want results)
Gentlemen, I dont think Jess
[Show spoiler]goes crazy on the oceanliner. At first she is trying to defend herself and her friends. Its only AFTER she realizes that its a loop, and discovers her role in it, that she takes part in it willingly, and only as a way out (she believes). Shes doing bad things, but she is making decisions based on logical thoughts. I dont think she went insane, just desperate beyond all reason.

IMO

JHiggy, I know you believe she killed her son and herself. I am going for a softer version because I want to "like" Jess and feel that she was wrongly sent to hell. I am going with, she was a crappy Mother and is at fault for the car crash. She is (accidentally) responsible for her sons death AND she dies in the crash as well. After the crash she boards the yacht (enters the Loop).

I am a softy, and want to believe that Jess had a good heart. Thats why she is so damnd determined to kill the version of herself that is abusing her son.
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Just went to the theater and caught up on a few movies today:

Prince of Persia - Solid action, and a lot of fun. Jake Gyllenhal was quite as Daston. I liked the music quite a bit. I have a small problem with the ending, but oh well. 7.5/10

The A-Team - This movie was a lot of fun! I love the cast, and the action was good. They kept to the series really well, and I was glad they didn't try to make it more series. Kept it over the top and fun. Sharlto Copley was incredible as Mudock! 8/10

The Karate Kid - So surprised I liked this movie as much as I did. Jaden's a good, young actor and is following his dad's footsteps. I liked his presence in the movie. Jackie Chan was absolutely incredible as Mr. Han. His scene about his past was very heart breaking. I think its his best dramatic peformance to date. The cinematography was incredible, and I will be buying the blu-ray just for that alone. I recommend it. 8.5/10

Get Him to the Greek - This is the funniest movie I have seen in forever! I think its even better than Forgetting Sarah Marshall. I was out of breath by the end of the movie because I couldn't quit laughing. Once again Russel Brand is great as Aldous Snow, and Jonah Hill is at the best I've seen him as Aaron. But who surprised me the most was Sean "P.Diddy" Combs as Sergio. Hes so hilarious in this movie. I want to see more movies with him, hes got great presence and comic timing. Go see this movie! 9.5/10
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Old 06-14-2010, 04:19 PM   #3328
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bravo dude!!

fantastic analysis!! I think I'm coming around. This film definitely has the potential to be a 5-star with more viewings.

A few questions remain:

! squid is so jealous!
Pffffft, hardly. I discovered the "Reset Button".
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Pffffft, hardly. I discovered the "Reset Button".
haha that you did. I really think that pulled everything together. That was a great catch, just like 237.
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OK. Here we gooooooooo....

[Show spoiler]Context? You want context? I'll give you context. I viewed this as a psychological/fantasy/thriller and therefore had no need for realism. I enjoyed it in the same fashion as, say, Indiana Jones or the Transporter.

In my theory, there are no spirits in Jess or haunting jess. Jess is real. Jess is not sleeping. She is actually experiencing all of this. In hell.

I believe that the Loop is hell. Hell and heaven are (according to those who believe) places of magical proportion and capabilities. Anything goes. Anything is possible in heaven and hell, so I just accept anything the story delivers. Where and when hell is, I dont know and dont care. Heaven and hell are very mysterious and full of unknowns.

The clones as you call them are simply the same Jess that had arrived before, or after OUR Jess in the Loop. But they are all "real" and going through the Loop as well. There are many. Their purpose is simply to be characters in the Loop so that the Loop can exist. How did they arrive? I dont know, the film doesnt say, and we dont know how anyone "gets" to Hell. We know "why" people go to hell, but not "how" they get there.

The fact that the Loop takes place at sea means nothing. The fact that the ship is old means nothing. Its simply the venue for Jess' personal hell.

The Jess that we follow can not choose which Jess to be. But we watch her discover that the other Jess' exist. We watch her discover the hooded one that she knocks off the ship. In the same way, and during her stay on the ship, she REALIZES that she is in a Loop. She also realizes that there are other versions of herself stuck in the loop as well. Some arriving to the loop before her, and some arriving after. Remember the new arrivals that come aboard from the capsized yacht AFTER our Jess is already there? Remember the car keys in the hall that OUR Jess finds? Those were dropped by the Jess that arrived before our Jess. Then later, our Jess is the one that drops them. After our Jess knocks the other one overboard, our Jess realizes that its "her turn" in the line, or queue of Jess's. Its her turn to be the one who gets knocked off. She voluntarily (out of desperation) suits up, plays the role, entices and engages the fresh NEW Jess, and kaboom she gets knocked off. And its likely that the Jess that knocked her off, will later, suit up and do the deeds and get knocked off as well. Its important (for my theory) to remember that there are bunch of Jess', and we are just following one of them. Each one will play every role as they advance through the cycle of the Loop.

As far as the room 327 thing, it could be a nod to the shining or a coincidence. Either way, it didnt bother me, in fact I liked it. I dont think this story is ANYTHING like the shining. Jack was going nuts from isolation over a long period of time. The Loop is only one day and Jess isnt going nuts, she isnt alone, shes just suffering, in hell, being forced to do bad things over and over to be able to see her son ONE MORE TIME, only to have him die, and its her fault, over and over again, forever, and ever, and ever, for all eternity. JHiggy is right, thats a pretty perfect hell for a Mom.

Thats what I see anyway. The more I BS'd with JHiggy, the more I blended his take with mine and this is where I have arrived. I hope I explained that well enough.
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Thanks SquidPuppet Yea, it was fun day I must say. I like being caught up. And Karate Kid really took me by surprise. Can't believe how much I liked it.
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Gentlemen, I dont think Jess
[Show spoiler]goes crazy on the oceanliner. At first she is trying to defend herself and her friends. Its only AFTER she realizes that its a loop, and discovers her role in it, that she takes part in it willingly, and only as a way out (she believes). Shes doing bad things, but she is making decisions based on logical thoughts. I dont think she went insane, just desperate beyond all reason.

IMO

JHiggy, I know you believe she killed her son and herself. I am going for a softer version because I want to "like" Jess and feel that she was wrongly sent to hell. I am going with, she was a crappy Mother and is at fault for the car crash. She is (accidentally) responsible for her sons death AND she dies in the crash as well. After the crash she boards the yacht (enters the Loop).

I am a softy, and want to believe that Jess had a good heart. Thats why she is so damnd determined to kill the version of herself that is abusing her son.
[Show spoiler]I guess I should have phrased it better, as I don't think Jess went crazy (accept maybe Crazy Jess, which I still don't get?). I think you're right in that regard. As to the car crash theory, ya know what? I think it's equally as valid as my take. Keep in kind that both of us are deriving our theory on that matter from circumstantial evidence at best, although those are the two major interpretations I've heard about. I subscribe to my belief for a few reasons, which have already been presented. I guess I just like the whole idea (in a twisted way) of her continually trying to change fate, but still having both herself and her son die, thus failing in her attempted alteration. To me, that's a true hell--no matter what she does differently, it will end the same. In a way, I liken it to what we DO KNOW--she was a bad parent. You can be a bad parent and then try to change things, but the hurt you caused your child will not change, it will remain.

Your theory is good too though since we see the car crash and we see all the dead birds when she pulls to the shoulder. I think that lends a great amount of support to your theory, which I think has more support than mine does. The reason for those birds being there is that this event has happened over and over again, just like the lockets, the dead bodies, the notes, etc. If I think about it more and more I'm likely to subscribe to your belief. NOOOOOOOO!
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bravo dude!!

fantastic analysis!! I think I'm coming around. This film definitely has the potential to be a 5-star with more viewings.

A few questions remain:
[Show spoiler]
-how do you know she killed her son? hypothesis?

-is she punished for killing son or just cheating death (as sisyphus dude was)? presumably she could be being punished for the latter and never have done the former, right? I recall the "mom Jess" hitting the son and yelling at him, but how do we conclude she killed him?

-step 11 loops back to step 6 right? great steps by the way! squid is so jealous!

-the biggest thing I'm stuck on is the realm: is she in hell? is she in the real world but in an emotional hell? I personally prefer the latter (which coupled with room 237 is why I lunged for the Shining theory, but as I said in my initial review, I fully conceded that it had gaping holes, such as the taxi, dove, etc at end). Here's the problem I see:
(a) if she is in a literal hell (as you seem to suggest; where she physically died and is now in some kind of an afterlife hell): then the themes of the film are more distant and hard to relate to for me and the average viewer (compared to an "emotional hell")
(b) if she is in a real world (as Squid seemed to suggest), then the necessary consequences of this has realistic implications that don't pass the "squid test" you said above that, given the punishment theory, that its not necessary to explain "how the loop works." did you mean it wouldnt be necessary if we're talking about a real hell/virtual world (agree) or real world (disagree)?

-I love your and Squid's theory, and am just trying to resolve between (a) and (b) above. perhaps its just a matter of suspending disbelief regarding the "loop" and the realm in which its enacted. however, whether it occurs in an actual hell (theme: live a good life, don't f&*k up, coz hell sucks) or a real world (theme: sisyphus behavior won't change your results in life. try something different if you want results)
[Show spoiler]When reading a review of the film, someone commented about the killing the son/self angle. I started thinking about and it made a lot of sense to me (although Squid's take really is starting to win me over in regards to the deaths--I still maintain a deviation in other regards). I get that from the fact that Jess so obviously seemed to be losing it at the house, due to the stress of her job and domestic responsibilities. Beach Jess intervenes and kills her, which I take to be an attempt to stop the killing. I think squid very well could be right that it's simply a matter of Beach Jess being disgusted at what she sees. I also took that angle because Jess has to kill herself on the ship in order to end things. I thought that implied that since she killed herself in life, she had to do it again for all eternity, in her endless loop. Same with killing the others. We really get no guidance as to the reason the others have to be killed, so I think it implies that Jess, even despite her realizations, must do what she did in life--kill someone else, then kill herself. Although, it simply could be an allusion to Sisyphus, since he killed travelers. I really like the life/hell mirror angle, which is why I went with it.

Not everything has to follow Sisyphus exactly. There's much more to Sisyphus than simply cheating death. I don't think anything in the film implies that she cheated death in any way. So, the two interpretations for being in hell, imo, are: 1) killing her son AND herself (I don't think there can be one without the other; you're not going to kill your son and get away with it, and the reverse doesn't make sense) and 2) treated son terribly and was driving him to school maybe (reason for the school comment?) and got in accident when her head was turned yelling at him, which is similar to the ending car scene.

Step 11 loops back to 6, yes.

I think she's really in hell, albeit a Dante-esque eternal punishment version. I'm not sure if you read Dante, but in his rings of hell the punishments were BOTH physical and mental (such as not being able to drink water). Jess clearly is being punished both ways (killing herself--physical; finding out she can't save her son and seeing how she treated him--mental/emotional). I agree that the themes seem a bit distant in that regard, but I still think it's a strangely beautiful story of punishment. Why I think it's somewhat beautiful, idk. Maybe because it's so unbelievably sad. Squid's right--there needs to be a suspension of belief because in hell, there are no rules. That being said, I think the director does a pretty damn good job of rectifying a lot of potential holes, inconsistencies. The film is not airtight, but for its complexity it's pretty admirable.

I hope I did a decent job of explaining things. Feel free to ask more questions, both you and squid are really testing my theory and making me appreciate the film even more!


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[Show spoiler]I guess I should have phrased it better, as I don't think Jess went crazy (accept maybe Crazy Jess, which I still don't get?). I think you're right in that regard. As to the car crash theory, ya know what? I think it's equally as valid as my take. Keep in kind that both of us are deriving our theory on that matter from circumstantial evidence at best, although those are the two major interpretations I've heard about. I subscribe to my belief for a few reasons, which have already been presented. I guess I just like the whole idea (in a twisted way) of her continually trying to change fate, but still having both herself and her son die, thus failing in her attempted alteration. To me, that's a true hell--no matter what she does differently, it will end the same. In a way, I liken it to what we DO KNOW--she was a bad parent. You can be a bad parent and then try to change things, but the hurt you caused your child will not change, it will remain.

Your theory is good too though since we see the car crash and we see all the dead birds when she pulls to the shoulder. I think that lends a great amount of support to your theory, which I think has more support than mine does. The reason for those birds being there is that this event has happened over and over again, just like the lockets, the dead bodies, the notes, etc. If I think about it more and more I'm likely to subscribe to your belief. NOOOOOOOO!
Quite a few times over the past few days I have had to force myself to STOP thinking about it because my thoughts started to become vary tangled and the resulting theories were flawed. I felt like I was getting drawn into the
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[Show spoiler] That being said, I think the director does a pretty damn good job of rectifying a lot of potential holes, inconsistencies. The film is not airtight, but for its complexity it's pretty admirable.

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Agree 100%. I give the writer/director HUGE credit here. In fact, thats why I rate this film as high as I do and enjoy it as much as I do. The potential for loose ends and missed tie-togethers is FREQUENT, no, its CONSTANT and ENOURMOUS. There was really no moment where I had to say "Wait, that wouldnt work because......." . A filmmaker could have all too easily dropped the ball on this. During the film I literally thought to myself, Wow, this guy is actually pulling it all together.

Its a simple story that becomes highly complex, and the telling of the story is where the genius lies.
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well with all this blabberin' about Triangle (at least i think that's what you guys (squid / jhiggy / surfdude) are still talking about) i decided to buy it just a few minutes ago. i didn't know when i bought it, but it comes with an option for "video on demand" for the film. if i didn't have to work in a few hours i would watch it now to see what all the chirpin' is about, but i guess i'll just have to wait and will probably wait till it arrives on wednesday anyway so i can watch it on blu.

i have a feeling it will be a film where details are important and watching on a 17" screen isn't gonna cut it.

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well with all this blabberin' about Triangle (at least i think that's what you guys (squid / jhiggy / surfdude) are still talking about) i decided to buy it just a few minutes ago. i didn't know when i bought it, but it comes with an option for "video on demand" for the film. if i didn't have to work in a few hours i would watch it now to see what all the chirpin' is about, but i guess i'll just have to wait and will probably wait till it arrives on wednesday anyway so i can watch it on blu.

i have a feeling it will be a film where details are important and watching on a 17" screen isn't gonna cut it.
More "Passengers" for the Triangle party.

This will be fun....cant wait.
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AVP

Alien vs Predator on BluRay has an unrated version on it.

The graphics are incredible and the director of AVP had no qualms about showing the Aliens and the Predators in long detailed shots and scenes unlike alot of horror/ sci fi films where the creatures are blurry or too fast and far between.

The effects are top notch and this film to me, is THE best of each series.
The queen alien unleashed is sick.

Good premise, good cast and lots of humans getting owned in between of two titan life forms looking for supremacy.

10/10
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alien vs predator on bluray has an unrated version on it.

The graphics are incredible and the director of avp had no qualms about showing the aliens and the predators in long detailed shots and scenes unlike alot of horror/ sci fi films where the creatures are blurry or too fast and far between.

The effects are top notch and this film to me, is the best of each series.
The queen alien unleashed is sick.

Good premise, good cast and lots of humans getting owned in between of two titan life forms looking for supremacy.

10/10

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