Predator (1987) (Ultimate Hunter Edition)

[HumanMedia]

Originally Posted by Beast

Only in like one shot.

In every shot Ive seen so far it looks more artificial.

MPEG2, (used in the first release) is terrible for adding digital exageration of grain.
I wish they had just used the MPEG4 style codec and skipped the DNR, for this new release.

[retablo]

Originally Posted by Canada

I don't know why but I don't care about Predator: Ultimate Hunter Edition I don't consider it a seminal 80's movie.

Seminal 80's Films

Platoon
Born on the Fourth of July
Top Gun ( I know it's cheesy and not great, but it left a huge mark on the 80's)
Raging Bull ( always thought that should be a name of a political movie)
Terminator
Aliens

I agree, there was far more significant 80s films, as well as Arnold films - Terminator being the biggest example. But you also forgot Die Hard, Lethal Weapon, Pretty In Pink (or Sixteen Candles), Rambo: First Blood Part 2, Raiders of the Lost Ark, E.T., Ghostbusters, Back to the Future, Tootsie, Beverly Hills Cop...

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by Robert George

Because except for a couple of very brief shots in the opening sequence, it's true. And I have compared actual motion video, not just screen caps. Detail and color delineations that are virtually lost in either crushed blacks or excessive compression noise on the previous Blu-ray are sharp and clear in this new transfer.

Robert,

Do you think a lot of the grain people are seeing in the original BD is not even actual film grain but "compression" grain?

[Porkchop Express]

Whether you buy the new or old version of Predator on blu, the most important thing is owning it makes you a goddamn sexual tyrannosaurus.

[Arkadin]

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QUOTE=42041;3390732]there's a critical difference between being able to see the detail better, and more detail. First, that area is brighter in the new disc. And where screenshots fail to represent the disc is that the grain is random each frame, but the detail isn't, so your eye easily picks up on it in motion.

good points.
I think for sure the best possible release would have been a new master with less dnr.
that would have been ideal imo, but the modern template almost all these studios are going with seems to be "new master" + dnr = the perfect bd.
sad but true.
it just doesn't seem like much is changing on this front unfortunately as regards these older films.

[KarmaNL]

Originally Posted by Porkchop Express

Whether you buy the new or old version of Predator on blu, the most important thing is owning it makes you a goddamn sexual tyrannosaurus.

I accidently spit my coffee over my keyboard when I read this haha

[ridergroov1]

ALright alright enough. I've been following this thread from the start. I can guess with some certainty that 90% of the people complaining about this new release will be out day 1 buying it...including me! Agreed?

[Daredevil666]

Originally Posted by Porkchop Express

Whether you buy the new or old version of Predator on blu, the most important thing is owning it makes you a goddamn sexual tyrannosaurus.

hahaha ! Just brilliant !

[Suntory_Times]

Originally Posted by ridergroov1

ALright alright enough. I've been following this thread from the start. I can guess with some certainty that 90% of the people complaining about this new release will be out day 1 buying it...including me! Agreed?

I won't.

[SpotOn]

Originally Posted by ridergroov1

ALright alright enough. I've been following this thread from the start. I can guess with some certainty that 90% of the people complaining about this new release will be out day 1 buying it...including me! Agreed?

Sorry, but I know the difference. Pass.

[ridergroov1]

Alright fair enough. I will 90% most likely buy it. I'll wait to see what this site reviews it like and a few others. Anyone see any U.S. reviews out there yet?

[Q?]

Originally Posted by ridergroov1

ALright alright enough. I've been following this thread from the start. I can guess with some certainty that 90% of the people complaining about this new release will be out day 1 buying it...including me! Agreed?

I'm just gonna order the (first release) Predator 1&2 box set, maybe and I say maybe I'll get the second for reference and then really decide on my own, but not very likely though.

[Suntory_Times]

Originally Posted by dcowboy7

Yea the old version would realy get just a 2.0 rating today.

It depends on who is reviewing it. I don't know what it got here but I would give the original release a 4/5 for pq as it is not without its issues (compression artifacts for example but for the most part is true to its source).

[DetroitSportsFan]

Originally Posted by ridergroov1

ALright alright enough. I've been following this thread from the start. I can guess with some certainty that 90% of the people complaining about this new release will be out day 1 buying it...including me! Agreed?

No me.

The only way I will buy it is dirt cheap (under $10), and that will be just for the extras.

[HD Goofnut]

Originally Posted by Suntory_Times

It depends on who is reviewing it. I don't know what it got here but I would give the original release a 4/5 for pq as it is not without its issues (compression artifacts for example but for the most part is true to its source).

Yeah, I'd give it about the same. 7.5/10 IMHO.

[ScuseMe]

Originally Posted by Porkchop Express

Whether you buy the new or old version of Predator on blu, the most important thing is owning it makes you a goddamn sexual tyrannosaurus.

I crack up every time I hear that line!

[ScuseMe]

Originally Posted by ridergroov1

ALright alright enough. I've been following this thread from the start. I can guess with some certainty that 90% of the people complaining about this new release will be out day 1 buying it...including me! Agreed?

Wrong. I already bought the copy I want.

[kpkelley]

Originally Posted by Arkadin

it certainly shows improved clarity to me.
take a look a the shot of Arnold's face--
his beard is so much more obscured in the previous release compared with the clarity of the new release.
I don't see how anyone could say you can't see the stubble on his chin better in the new version.
http://comparescreenshots.slicx.com/...2745/picture:1
to me what has happened is the new master resulted in improved clarity and then they grain scrubbed it a bit.

That's the image you want to use? I've seen mannequins that are more lifelike than Arnold in the new transfer. Stubble isn't the only thing you should be able to see. Skin has texture, that texture should be visible.

[42041]

Originally Posted by ridergroov1

ALright alright enough. I've been following this thread from the start. I can guess with some certainty that 90% of the people complaining about this new release will be out day 1 buying it...including me! Agreed?

I've never felt the need for a glossy version of Predator, because it's not a glossy movie. I would replace it if they truly "restored" it, and tightened up the grain and detail by giving it a modern transfer and a high bitrate encode, but supporting a half-way effort like this is sending completely the wrong message to the studio.

I hope the new transfers of Terminator and Aliens come out soon, I think those will be the test of how good mid-80s high-speed film stocks could look given a high resolution transfer. I'm going to bet the results will be much more crisp and richly textured than what we see here.

[drtre81]

Can't wait for the ship jumping(both sides) when the review is released.