The Criterion Collection

[kndy]

Originally Posted by ccfixx

MOC is a UK-based company. Their discs are only allowed to be sold in Europe. You have to order directly from Eureka! through one of their newsletter sales or you can order from Amazon UK.

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Go to https://forum.blu-ray.com/united-kin...on-thread.html

And you will see the monthly posts on deals from MOC and how you can order from them. You may need to enable a setting in your account to see international postings.

[stobbart]

Anyone else disappointed that Charade did not get any more special features for blu?

Also why is TTRL $10 dollars more on blu....criterion says on their FAQ that they would be taking price out of the equation and make the DVD and Blu releases the same price. This is also the same for the Seventh Seal. I am just curious about it.

One more thing, is Criterion losing money on all blus? Since they are the same price as DVD, and Criterion said in that New York Q&A video a few pages back that blu costs 7-8 times as much to make for them then regular DVD. And I would be suprised if Criterion is selling more blus then DVDs at this point. Just because Criterion is such a niche market as it is, and then adding blu into that, the numbers have to be pretty damn low, to low to turn a profit if they really cost 7-8 times as much.

[ccfixx]

Originally Posted by stobbart

Also why is TTRL $10 dollars more on blu....criterion says on their FAQ that they would be taking price out of the equation and make the DVD and Blu releases the same price. This is also the same for the Seventh Seal. I am just curious about it.

The blu-ray for "The Seventh Seal" is more expensive because it also includes "Bergman Island," which is not included on the DVD of "The Seventh Seal" reissue. It has to be purchased separately.

I think there are pricing errors for both "Merry Christmas Mr. Lawrence" and "The Thin Red Line" on their site right now since they recycle the templates for their pages.

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[ccfixx]

DVDBeaver has their review/comparison up for "The Leopard" for those that are bi-curious.

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[panamablu]

Thanks! I'll check it out

Originally Posted by ccfixx

MOC is a UK-based company. Their discs are only allowed to be sold in Europe. You have to order directly from Eureka! through one of their newsletter sales via PayPal or you can order from Amazon UK. You can check out the Eureka/MOC thread over in the United Kingdom section of the International threads for more information. Here is a link to their latest newsletter offerings. The titles offered for sale directly from Eureka vary from month to month.

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[kndy]

Originally Posted by stobbart

One more thing, is Criterion losing money on all blus? Since they are the same price as DVD, and Criterion said in that New York Q&A video a few pages back that blu costs 7-8 times as much to make for them then regular DVD. And I would be suprised if Criterion is selling more blus then DVDs at this point. Just because Criterion is such a niche market as it is, and then adding blu into that, the numbers have to be pretty damn low, to low to turn a profit if they really cost 7-8 times as much.

I think a lot of people are wondering about this esp. with the 50% off sales. But it's hard to gauge. I'm not sure the ratio for those who purchase the Blu-rays when at retail versus those who buy them when they are on sale.

As for the comment on selling more than DVD's, the truth is if you visit a lot of Criterion forums, there are many who have not adopted Blu-ray nor do they feel like doing it right now and if they are moving on, they talk about moving on towards Netflix digital streaming.

The sales are great for us who have moved on to Blu but I think the prices are low in hopes for those to jump to Blu-ray.

[capnnarcolepsy]

Having worked in retail the better part of ten years, those sales (50% off, bogo and such) don't really hurt the makers of the product. if anyone hurts from it, its the store. once a store has obtained the items from, lets say criterion, thats it. they have already bought all of those copies from them and now its, say B&N's, job to sell them. when discounts are offered, its taking away from that store's own revenue, not the company providing the product. After initial orders, now thats where something could come into play. based on how well something sells or doesn't sell would warrant whether or not to obtain more stock of said product. Seeing as how B&N not only have specifici criterion sales, but also nearly everyone has its own criterion section, that would lead me to believe there is some backscratching involved. perhaps criterion cuts them a lower wholesale rate and in return get more publicity. or maybe there isn't any comradery and whomever runs barnes and noble is just a really big fan. either way, whenever you are saving money on something in a store, if its hurting anyone, its hurting who you bought it from.

[krazeyeyez]

Well not criterion, but i figured the crowd in here might have some interest for this... may be old news but i just found this out.

http://www.shadowandact.com/?p=22256

Metropolis is showing in detroit, which is just a hop and a skip from me, looks like quite a few places are having showings though.

[capnnarcolepsy]

Originally Posted by krazeyeyez

Well not criterion, but i figured the crowd in here might have some interest for this... may be old news but i just found this out.

http://www.shadowandact.com/?p=22256

Metropolis is showing in detroit, which is just a hop and a skip from me, looks like quite a few places are having showings though.

Damn, Tampa is the closest one to me, but it may well just be worth the drive. thanks for the heads up!

[cdnchris]

Originally Posted by ccfixx

The blu-ray for "The Seventh Seal" is more expensive because it also includes "Bergman Island," which is not included on the DVD of "The Seventh Seal" reissue. It has to be purchased separately.

I think there are pricing errors for both "Merry Christmas Mr. Lawrence" and "The Thin Red Line" on their site right now since they recycle the templates for their pages.

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The Seventh Seal DVD does come with Bergman Island on a second disc (the second disc is basically the Bergman Island release with the same features, just different menus.)

And the new prices are correct for Thin Red Line and Mr. Lawrence. At least the sell sheet and press release indicate the lower prices for the DVDs.

[ccfixx]

Originally Posted by cdnchris

The Seventh Seal DVD does come with Bergman Island on a second disc (the second disc is basically the Bergman Island release with the same features, just different menus.)

And the new prices are correct for Thin Red Line and Mr. Lawrence. At least the sell sheet and press release indicate the lower prices for the DVDs.

Oh, thanks for clearing that up for me, Chris.

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[neo78956]

Replacement cases all arrived in the mail today. Woot. They arrive fast when they actually recieve your Paypal payment lol. I imagine Pierrot le Fou will arrive by Saturday or Monday at the latest if they are this fast, since it shipped out today.

In other news, I've been going through a Criterion marathon of sorts.

Just watched Vivre sa Vie this afternoon. Some Criterion films make me think, some I enjoy. But some just knock me flat on my ass and leave me saying "WOW! That was a great movie!" Seven Samurai, Yojimbo, Ran, Kagemusha, Sanjuro, M, 8 1/2, The Seventh Seal, Hunger, The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, The Third Man, and now, Vivre Sa Vie.

This film just blew me away. One thing I noticed in particular was just how amazing of an actress Ann Karina is. But also, just the visual aspects of the film were simply stunning. I don't know if anyone else has noticed or mentioned this before, but I feel like Tarantino, and to a lesser extent, Scorsese, both drew a lot of influence from Godard's films. Vivre sa Vie felt a lot like Tarantino's earlier films, Jackie Brown in particular. The style, structure, dialogue, etc. But that is to the credit of Godard, who clearly kind of defined this way of filmmaking. I could go on and on about how I loved every single aspect of this film, but that would get boring. In short, this is just one hell of a film. I can't wait to watch Pierrot le Fou when my copy arrives, and watch more Godard films in general.

[jhiggy23]

Originally Posted by CassavetesGodard

The Thin Red Line cover I think is not complete yet (The Criterion bar is kind of shown on the left but no wacky C), for right now it's not bad, but the worst of the Sept releases by far.

Strongly disagree. Breathless so far looks by far the weakest.

[fdm]

Originally Posted by cdnchris

And the new prices are correct for Thin Red Line and Mr. Lawrence. At least the sell sheet and press release indicate the lower prices for the DVDs.

A rather disturbing trend...

Perhaps their early 50-50 ish dvd to blu ratio has dropped some? Or perhaps some blu-ray licensing constraints (e.g., the difference between getting rights to sell on blu-ray and dvd vs just getting the rights for dvd only). Factor in anticipated sales somehow, and maybe they just have to charge more to cover added expenses for these two. Maybe why some titles are dvd only in spite of how ready they are for blu too.

...Just guessing.

[retablo]

Originally Posted by Volume11

But even then one could argue that plenty of the 500+ collection offer little to nothing to the ongoing field of filmmaking...

They offer inspiration and influence, sincehardly anything made these days will, in 50 years, qualify as art like some a lot of the films in the Criterion Collection. Obviously, art is subjective, but I'd much rather see the next generation of filmmakers influenced by Godard (as Tarantino was), Truffaut, Bergman, et al, than... well, who? Nolan? Wes Anderson? Uwe Boll? No thanks.

[SpiderBaby]

Originally Posted by neo78956

I don't know if anyone else has noticed or mentioned this before, but I feel like Tarantino, and to a lesser extent, Scorsese, both drew a lot of influence from Godard's films. Vivre sa Vie felt a lot like Tarantino's earlier films, Jackie Brown in particular.

Yes, Tarantino films are so Godard it's not funny. It's one of the biggest known influences, so it's no secret (Godard, who had some words for Tarantino knows). Its like he takes from B-movie genre films and mixes it with Godard.

Tarantino's production company, named A BAND APART, after Godard's film Bande á part or known in English as Band of Outsiders

Pulp Fiction drew from Band of Outsiders and Vivre sa vie. Mia Wallace is a play on Anna Karina. The moment of silence restaurant scene in Band of Outsiders and the "silence" discussion at the Jack Rabbit Slims in Pulp Fiction. Then you can also say both films have famous dance scenes after that.

[SpiderBaby]

Originally Posted by jhiggy23

Strongly disagree. Breathless so far looks by far the weakest.

Yes it sucks, even though it's been like that for years. Stop being a Thin Red Line homer with it's bad photoshop design. Breathless packaging is one of the best in the collection, and alot of people will agree.

[SpiderBaby]

Originally Posted by retablo

Obviously, art is subjective, but I'd much rather see the next generation of filmmakers influenced by Godard (as Tarantino was), Truffaut, Bergman, et al, than... well, who? Nolan? Wes Anderson? Uwe Boll? No thanks.

Yes! Yes! Get after Wes "Look at me make a statement with the way I dress and make my characters dress too, so I have to be cool, but I know I'm not because I got stuffed into lockers in High School" Anderson!

Or Chris "I made The Dark Knight so I got a bunch of nerds going back into my Filmography trying to make it look like masterpiece after masterpiece, when I know for a fact they wouldn't know who I am if I didn't even make a Batman" Nolan.


Okay, I do like some Nolan films, but he isn't the most important Hollywood director working today like millions of comic book fans would think.

[neo78956]

Originally Posted by CassavetesGodard

Yes, Tarantino films are so Godard it's not funny. It's one of the biggest known influences, so it's no secret (Godard, who had some words for Tarantino knows). Its like he takes from B-movie genre films and mixes it with Godard.

Tarantino's production company, named A BAND APART, after Godard's film Bande á part or known in English as Band of Outsiders

Pulp Fiction drew from Band of Outsiders and Vivre sa vie. Mia Wallace is a play on Anna Karina. The moment of silence restaurant scene in Band of Outsiders and the "silence" discussion at the Jack Rabbit Slims in Pulp Fiction. Then you can also say both films have famous dance scenes after that.

I did notice a lot of Mia Wallace/Nana comparisons, and the dance scene was soooooo Pulp Fiction. I need to read up more on Godard and Tarantino. I love learning about these relationships these filmmakers had/have with each other. Souns like Godard had the same opinion of Tarantino's homage to him as Kurosawa felt about Leone pretty much remaking Yojimbo shot for shot with A Fistful of Dollars but never giving Kurosawa due credit. Kurosawa certainly had some things to say about that.

[SpiderBaby]

Originally Posted by neo78956

I did notice a lot of Mia Wallace/Nana comparisons, and the dance scene was soooooo Pulp Fiction. I need to read up more on Godard and Tarantino. I love learning about these relationships these filmmakers had/have with each other. Souns like Godard had the same opinion of Tarantino's homage to him as Kurosawa felt about Leone pretty much remaking Yojimbo shot for shot with A Fistful of Dollars but never giving Kurosawa due credit. Kurosawa certainly had some things to say about that.

It's about the same with Godard and Kurosawa, and they should feel that way (well did feel that way in Kurosawa, RIP).