Blu-ray reacts angrily to HD DVD claims - Blu-ray Forum

teunis · 11-13-2007, 06:06 PM

http://www.tech.co.uk/home-entertain...leid=126958731

The BDA's reaction to the Attach rate has been re[oprted at Tech.co.uk
I'm sure this wasn't posted yet???

The HD DVD Promotion Group is guilty of manipulating independent research data in order to mislead the HD-buying public. That's according to the chairman of the Blu-ray Disc Association who put in a call to Tech.co.uk this afternoon.

Yesterday the HD DVD Promotion Group said that the attach rate for HD movies on the HD DVD format was far greater than on Blu-ray. The claim was that HD DVD owners buy, on average, 3.8 HD movies each, compared to just 0.6 movies sold per Blu ray player.
Blu-ray rejects HD DVD claims. But Frank Simonis responded by saying this is a "gross misrepresentation of data" and that the GfK research has been manipulated by the HD DVD camp in order to appear more in favour of the HD DVD format.

"The figures have been severely massaged and that is something you should just not do," he said. "The HD DVD Group have manipulated the GfK data and you can see this because they did not even supply access to the original source of their numbers.

"Honest to God, the Blu-ray Disc Association would never do this. We've seen so much rubbish come from the HD DVD Group it's unbelievable. When we supply numbers like this, we will always provide access to our source data so that reporters are able to double check the numbers.

"It's our policy to always be open and honest with our figures, but then we are confronted by this grossly manipulated data from the other side. As an organisation, we make a point of staying away from this kind of gossip."
PS3 now included as BD player

Simonis said that the HD DVD Promotion Group's decision to include the PlayStation 3 in its figures had raised a few eyebrows in the Blu-ray camp.
"Until now, they have refused to accept that the PS3 is a Blu-ray player because it made their numbers look better. But now it suits them they have included the PS3, which is funny in a way."

Simonis did, however, welcome the HD DVD camp's decision to include the PS3 as a BD player, and said he hoped that they would continue to do so in the future. He also said that despite the HD DVD Promotion Group's claims, the Blu-ray Disc format is, in actual fact, consistently outselling HD DVD.
Blu-ray sales speak volumes

"Before the PS3 launched worldwide, BD movies were outselling HD DVD ones by 2-to-1 and now the PS3 is around, BD outsells HD DVD by 3-to1."
The HD DVD camp's decision to include PS3 sales in its figures also raised a few eyebrows in the Tech.co.uk office yesterday morning. In the past, by not including the PS3 in its figures, hardware sales looked more impressive for the HD DVD supporters.

But now, with the PS3 included when calculating the attach rate per player, the BD numbers are thus diluted. This is what the Blu-ray Disc Association chairman meant when he said the HD DVD camp had "manipulated" the data.

buckshot · 11-13-2007, 06:15 PM

glad to see the bda is taking the gloves off.

quexos · 11-13-2007, 06:15 PM

What else can you expect from hd-dvd ?
The sooner hd-dvd dies, the better for HD

seto · 11-13-2007, 06:16 PM

Glad someone understands statistics and finally calls people out on a gross misuse of them to skew data in their favor.

pscoop · 11-13-2007, 06:22 PM

How dare the BDA use facts and logic as arguments. This will not be tolerated by the HD DVD camp.

teunis · 11-13-2007, 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pscoop

How dare the BDA use facts and logic as arguments. This will not be tolerated by the HD DVD camp.

Yeah, take that shitheads.

theknub · 11-13-2007, 06:26 PM

glad for public reaction, the misuse of data by hd dvd has continued for far too long

sj001 · 11-13-2007, 06:27 PM

Only an organization as self-deluded as the HD-DVD promo group would come up with terms such as "attach rates". Come on, give me a friggin' break!

mystiksuicide · 11-13-2007, 06:30 PM

BDA really needs to ***** slap HD DVD out of existence

sokrman14 · 11-13-2007, 06:34 PM

I am defending Bluray about this over at audioholics.com to people claiming that HDDVD is winning. Anyone wanna go over there and help me out feel free. http://forums.audioholics.com/forums...ad.php?t=37306

tiger roach · 11-13-2007, 06:35 PM

Right on. It is pretty shifty how the PS3 doesn't count as a BD player when they present hardware sales stats, but when they want to talk about "attach rates" suddenly it is a BD player.

sj001 · 11-13-2007, 06:37 PM

I guess it's easy to have high "Attach rates" when you give away 10 or more movies with a $99 piece o' crap... including giving away some of your premium titles. What the heck do they think people will buy then?

BigGeezy · 11-13-2007, 06:42 PM

HD-doo doo is nothing but a skidmark in the historical underwear of failed attempts for better entertainment. Blu-ray!!! Blu-ray!!!

I too will be glad when the stench subsides.

Xerious · 11-13-2007, 06:42 PM

how does the 0.6 percent attach rate equate to 3 to 1 discs sold across the board??? man, i'd be pissed too.

bkbluray · 11-13-2007, 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sj001

I guess it's easy to have high "Attach rates" when you give away 10 or more movies with a $99 piece o' crap... including giving away some of your premium titles. What the heck do they think people will buy then?

LOL

LordGamer · 11-13-2007, 06:49 PM

Apparently, the HD DVD group is just as contradictory as their fanboys. Amazing how the HD DVD group includes PS3 when it suits them. Funny, I thought Toshiba and company were suppose to be truth-telling saints.

So, since the PS3 is now included... 500,000 HD DVD players doesn't seem that impressive considering there are what, 3 million Blu-ray players out.

javabear · 11-13-2007, 06:50 PM

By the way HD-DVD group is operating their business, generating false claims and spreading lies, I am so glad I am not in any part supporting them and their BAD ethics.

Fred333 · 11-13-2007, 07:03 PM

Nice find on the aritcle.

DavePS3 · 11-13-2007, 07:04 PM

I look upon Toshiba as a pimp and constantly out for more Ho's for the stable. Times get tough on the street... the pimp lowers the cost to the Johns. The pimp over markets his Ho's... announces them as sexy nubile young things when the reality is a little different. The Ho's are all hags... cheap ugly toothless hags and they reflect on the Pimp, who remains simply an over-stuffed fake fur coat and flashy gold-plated plastic bling. You can go there but what for?

Leopold BUTTERS · 11-13-2007, 07:06 PM

well, If the HD DVD camp makes up there minds about the ps3 its going to look bad for them.
1. The ps3 is a BD player and now there are millions of BD players sold compard to hunderds of thousands of HD DVD players.
2. The ps3 is not a BD player and the attatch rate for BD to BD players is like 8:1 (I only get this because there are less stand alone BD players than HD DVD but double the BDs sold)

11-13-2007, 06:06 PM	#1
teunis Active Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Toronto, ON Blu-ray collection:120	Blu-ray reacts angrily to HD DVD claims http://www.tech.co.uk/home-entertain...leid=126958731 The BDA's reaction to the Attach rate has been re[oprted at Tech.co.uk I'm sure this wasn't posted yet??? The HD DVD Promotion Group is guilty of manipulating independent research data in order to mislead the HD-buying public. That's according to the chairman of the Blu-ray Disc Association who put in a call to Tech.co.uk this afternoon. Yesterday the HD DVD Promotion Group said that the attach rate for HD movies on the HD DVD format was far greater than on Blu-ray. The claim was that HD DVD owners buy, on average, 3.8 HD movies each, compared to just 0.6 movies sold per Blu ray player. Blu-ray rejects HD DVD claims. But Frank Simonis responded by saying this is a "gross misrepresentation of data" and that the GfK research has been manipulated by the HD DVD camp in order to appear more in favour of the HD DVD format. "The figures have been severely massaged and that is something you should just not do," he said. "The HD DVD Group have manipulated the GfK data and you can see this because they did not even supply access to the original source of their numbers. "Honest to God, the Blu-ray Disc Association would never do this. We've seen so much rubbish come from the HD DVD Group it's unbelievable. When we supply numbers like this, we will always provide access to our source data so that reporters are able to double check the numbers. "It's our policy to always be open and honest with our figures, but then we are confronted by this grossly manipulated data from the other side. As an organisation, we make a point of staying away from this kind of gossip." PS3 now included as BD player Simonis said that the HD DVD Promotion Group's decision to include the PlayStation 3 in its figures had raised a few eyebrows in the Blu-ray camp. "Until now, they have refused to accept that the PS3 is a Blu-ray player because it made their numbers look better. But now it suits them they have included the PS3, which is funny in a way." Simonis did, however, welcome the HD DVD camp's decision to include the PS3 as a BD player, and said he hoped that they would continue to do so in the future. He also said that despite the HD DVD Promotion Group's claims, the Blu-ray Disc format is, in actual fact, consistently outselling HD DVD. Blu-ray sales speak volumes "Before the PS3 launched worldwide, BD movies were outselling HD DVD ones by 2-to-1 and now the PS3 is around, BD outsells HD DVD by 3-to1." The HD DVD camp's decision to include PS3 sales in its figures also raised a few eyebrows in the Tech.co.uk office yesterday morning. In the past, by not including the PS3 in its figures, hardware sales looked more impressive for the HD DVD supporters. But now, with the PS3 included when calculating the attach rate per player, the BD numbers are thus diluted. This is what the Blu-ray Disc Association chairman meant when he said the HD DVD camp had "manipulated" the data.

11-13-2007, 06:30 PM	#9
mystiksuicide Blu-ray Guru Member since:Sep 2007 Location:Miami Blu-ray collection:305 Blu-ray reviews:27	BDA really needs to ***** slap HD DVD out of existence Last edited by mystiksuicide; 11-13-2007 at 06:43 PM.

11-13-2007, 06:49 PM	#16
LordGamer Member Member since:Oct 2007 Location:Pittsburgh, PA Blu-ray collection:3	Apparently, the HD DVD group is just as contradictory as their fanboys. Amazing how the HD DVD group includes PS3 when it suits them. Funny, I thought Toshiba and company were suppose to be truth-telling saints. So, since the PS3 is now included... 500,000 HD DVD players doesn't seem that impressive considering there are what, 3 million Blu-ray players out. Last edited by LordGamer; 11-13-2007 at 06:53 PM.

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11-13-2007, 06:15 PM	#2
buckshot Blu-ray Guru Member since:Feb 2007 Location:san die ego Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:9	glad to see the bda is taking the gloves off.

11-13-2007, 06:15 PM	#3
quexos Banned Member since:May 2007 Location:Brussels, Belgium	What else can you expect from hd-dvd ? The sooner hd-dvd dies, the better for HD

11-13-2007, 06:16 PM	#4
seto Senior Member Member since:Jul 2007 Blu-ray reviews:1	Glad someone understands statistics and finally calls people out on a gross misuse of them to skew data in their favor.

11-13-2007, 06:22 PM	#5
pscoop Active Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Tuksin Blu-ray collection:64 Blu-ray reviews:1	How dare the BDA use facts and logic as arguments. This will not be tolerated by the HD DVD camp.

11-13-2007, 06:26 PM	#7
theknub Blu-ray Guru Member since:May 2006	glad for public reaction, the misuse of data by hd dvd has continued for far too long

11-13-2007, 06:27 PM	#8
sj001 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Rochester, NY Blu-ray collection:317 DVD collection:17 Trading Score:5	Only an organization as self-deluded as the HD-DVD promo group would come up with terms such as "attach rates". Come on, give me a friggin' break!

11-13-2007, 06:34 PM	#10
sokrman14 Special Member Member since:Mar 2006 Location:Omaha, NE Home Theater Gallery:9 Blu-ray collection:32 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:1	I am defending Bluray about this over at audioholics.com to people claiming that HDDVD is winning. Anyone wanna go over there and help me out feel free. http://forums.audioholics.com/forums...ad.php?t=37306

11-13-2007, 06:35 PM	#11
tiger roach Special Member Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Houston, TX Blu-ray collection:141 Blu-ray reviews:1	Right on. It is pretty shifty how the PS3 doesn't count as a BD player when they present hardware sales stats, but when they want to talk about "attach rates" suddenly it is a BD player.

11-13-2007, 06:37 PM	#12
sj001 Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Aug 2007 Location:Rochester, NY Blu-ray collection:317 DVD collection:17 Trading Score:5	I guess it's easy to have high "Attach rates" when you give away 10 or more movies with a $99 piece o' crap... including giving away some of your premium titles. What the heck do they think people will buy then?

11-13-2007, 06:42 PM	#13
BigGeezy Member Member since:Nov 2007 Location:Fort Worth, TX	HD-doo doo is nothing but a skidmark in the historical underwear of failed attempts for better entertainment. Blu-ray!!! Blu-ray!!! I too will be glad when the stench subsides.

11-13-2007, 06:42 PM	#14
Xerious Special Member Member since:Mar 2007 Location:Washington, DC Blu-ray collection:238 Blu-ray reviews:4	how does the 0.6 percent attach rate equate to 3 to 1 discs sold across the board??? man, i'd be pissed too.

11-13-2007, 06:50 PM	#17
javabear Senior Member Member since:Jul 2007 4K collection:- Blu-ray collection:- Digital collection:- iTunes collection:- Blu-ray reviews:8 Trading Score:319	By the way HD-DVD group is operating their business, generating false claims and spreading lies, I am so glad I am not in any part supporting them and their BAD ethics.

11-13-2007, 07:03 PM	#18
Fred333 Member Member since:Oct 2007	Nice find on the aritcle.

11-13-2007, 07:04 PM	#19
DavePS3 Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jan 2007 Location:Toronto Home Theater Gallery:56 Blu-ray reviews:1 Trading Score:1	I look upon Toshiba as a pimp and constantly out for more Ho's for the stable. Times get tough on the street... the pimp lowers the cost to the Johns. The pimp over markets his Ho's... announces them as sexy nubile young things when the reality is a little different. The Ho's are all hags... cheap ugly toothless hags and they reflect on the Pimp, who remains simply an over-stuffed fake fur coat and flashy gold-plated plastic bling. You can go there but what for?

11-13-2007, 07:06 PM	#20
Leopold BUTTERS Blu-ray Guru Member since:Jun 2007 Location:AB,Canada Blu-ray collection:93 Blu-ray reviews: 2 Trading Score:1	well, If the HD DVD camp makes up there minds about the ps3 its going to look bad for them. 1. The ps3 is a BD player and now there are millions of BD players sold compard to hunderds of thousands of HD DVD players. 2. The ps3 is not a BD player and the attatch rate for BD to BD players is like 8:1 (I only get this because there are less stand alone BD players than HD DVD but double the BDs sold)

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