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dialog_gvf · 12-13-2006, 09:06 PM

They messed up. Multiple counting in both formats. Take a look again, they've fixed it.

But, BD does have the available for order lead now (166-162)

And it says BD has the over 10000 ranking lead for the first time ever (80-73)

Gary

Dave · 12-13-2006, 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

They messed up. Multiple counting in both formats. Take a look again, they've fixed it.

But, BD does have the available for order lead now (166-162)

And it says BD has the over 10000 ranking lead for the first time ever (80-73)

Gary

LOL, they just dont know what they are doing!

Deciazulado · 12-14-2006, 12:21 AM

Well I got in my list:

Released:

Blu-ray: 129
HD DVD: 138

Released + Coming dates:

Blu-ray: 198
HD DVD: 159

So it's good that finally their BD numbers are catching up.

(Since my coming dates' HD-DVD numbers are a little less than theirs, I shall look into that, but last time I revised my list I double checked with other HD-DVD lists. For example, adding released (138), to announced (21), (Example: What's announced on HD Digest) (At least last Tuesday when I double checked) gives you 159.

dialog_gvf · 12-14-2006, 12:31 AM

> Blu-ray: 198

Wow. That means it probably will be well over 200 released before year one is over!

HD DVD backers promise 200 movies

Jan 5, 2006:

Quote:

The video format wars kicked into high gear on Wednesday when the companies backing HD DVD said that nearly 200 titles would be available for the format by the end of the year.

I guess for people who count nine HD DVD players on the market, 138 probably equals 200.

onanie · 12-14-2006, 12:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

An interesting piece of info:

According to whois.net:

Issaquah, WA is about 15 miles from Redmond. And a Tony Small shows up as an employee of Microsoft in the past.

Gary

Amazondashboards is a product of amzlists.

http://www.amzlists.com/amazondashboards/main.cfm

I also did the whois a little while ago, though I did not search any further than what I've found. It would be difficult to strongly link Amzlists to Microsoft, and I imagine the name Tony Small is not uncommon. I had assumed at the time the owner of amzlist (amazondashboards@gmail.com) decided to showcase his technology in hopes that someone like Sony or Microsoft would be interested. That does not rule out your theory that Tony Small is indeed someone who is Microsoft-friendly, or that Microsoft owns amzlists

Deciazulado · 12-14-2006, 12:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

> Blu-ray: 198

Wow. That means it probably will be well over 200 released before year one is over!

HD DVD backers promise 200 movies

Jan 5, 2006:

Quote:

The video format wars kicked into high gear on Wednesday when the companies backing HD DVD said that nearly 200 titles would be available for the format by the end of the year.

I guess for people who count nine HD DVD players on the market, 138 probably equals 200.

Well they may be counting the international releases too.

Things like:

dialog_gvf · 12-14-2006, 02:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onanie

and I imagine the name Tony Small is not uncommon.

Yeah. That's why I said "a Tony Small". It's probably a coincidence. But, an interesting one considering the biases and geographic proximity.

Gary

Deciazulado · 12-15-2006, 12:20 AM

Wow, the dvdwars site got a make over. It's now http://www.eproductwars.com/dvd/ (if you click on the dvdwars link it redirects you to that.

Check it ooout - Cheech Marín

Don't think the google chart got fixed as per Ascended_Saiyan tho..

Maximus · 12-15-2006, 12:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

Wow, the dvdwars site got a make over. It's now http://www.eproductwars.com/dvd/ (if you click on the dvdwars link it redirects you to that.

Check it ooout - Cheech Marín

Don't think the google chart got fixed as per Ascended_Saiyan tho..

Hmmm, before the changes you could manually change the input, now you can't, I wonder why(?)

dialog_gvf · 12-19-2006, 01:27 PM

It looks like the holiday shopping (for DVD) continues in a big way. On thedvdwars (now eproductwars) HD DVD showed a big one day slip:

Rankings: 1630 (from just over 1200)
Top 10000: 53 (from 77)

BD remains in its recent range, which indicates that either BD is totally below the DVD activity, or sales of BD have been increasing significantly to compensate for the factors that are causing HD DVD to drop like a rock.

HD DVD is down about 600 places in the rankings in a week and about 1100 places since the beginning of the month. In the last few weeks BD has had 2000 and 2300 days (compared that to HD DVD's 1630 today).

For the last few days the average price for HD DVD has been rather high. Today is shows a $3 gap (which is pretty huge).

BD took over the "Number of DVDs that can be purchased today" lead on Dec. 13. And it is likely that it will never give that back up, as it is expected that the BD studios will make significant announcements at CES, including Warner announcing a "catch-up" schedule.

Gary

GoldenRedux · 12-19-2006, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

It looks like the holiday shopping (for DVD) continues in a big way. On thedvdwars (now eproductwars) HD DVD showed a big one day slip:

Rankings: 1630 (from just over 1200)
Top 10000: 53 (from 77)

BD remains in its recent range, which indicates that either BD is totally below the DVD activity, or sales of BD have been increasing significantly to compensate for the factors that are causing HD DVD to drop like a rock.

HD DVD is down about 600 places in the rankings in a week and about 1100 places since the beginning of the month. In the last few weeks BD has had 2000 and 2300 days (compared that to HD DVD's 1630 today).

For the last few days the average price for HD DVD has been rather high. Today is shows a $3 gap (which is pretty huge).

BD took over the "Number of DVDs that can be purchased today" lead on Dec. 13. And it is likely that it will never give that back up, as it is expected that the BD studios will make significant announcements at CES, including Warner announcing a "catch-up" schedule.

Gary

This is great news for HD DVD!

dialog_gvf · 12-21-2006, 06:10 AM

I guess Xmas shopping is over. Both formats have popped the last two days.

In fact, BD jumped past HD DVD's number from just TWO DAYS AGO!

Deciazulado · 12-21-2006, 11:23 AM

Thedvdwars' (eproductwars/dvd now) (why do they call it dvd? There's no dvd on it. But then they would have to call it the hd dvd wars, proving that their Google trends table is skewed assigning everything generally called hd dvd to Toshiba's HD DVD in particular. But I'm not here to talk again about that today

) Blu-ray list says there's 128 Blu-rays available. My list says 135. What's the difference?

The dvdwars list is missing:

1-Alice Cooper: Live in Montreaux 2005 (Eagle Vision)
2-Bikini Destinations: Triple Fantasy (Magnolia)
3-Bulletproof Monk (MGM)
4-Click (Sony)
5-Legends Of Jazz (LRS Media)
6-The Pat Metheny Group: The Way Up (Eagle Vision)

That brings it to 128 + 6 = 134

What's the other title missing?

Even tho all lists (even mine) show them as 2 titles:

Quote:

Mission: Impossible Ultimate Missions Collection (Paramount) (the 3 movies)
M:i:III (Paramount)

I count the Paramount Mission: Impossible titles as 3 movies:

Quote:

Mission: Impossible (Paramount)
M:i-2 (Paramount)
M:i:III (Paramount)

Bringing the total to 135.

(HD DVD supporters need not to worry, I do the same thing to count your 147 HD DVD titles)

Jazar · 12-21-2006, 05:41 PM

Looking at the top chart right now, the sales ranks have never been so close. Hopefully this BD will finally pass HD DVD for good.

dialog_gvf · 12-29-2006, 01:51 PM

New all-time high for BD: 1152.9

A bullet the last three days. We'll see if it is allowed to continue.

Also, notice the PS/3 has surpassed the Wii in the console sales ranking on Amazon.com

Gary

GoldenRedux · 12-29-2006, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

New all-time high for BD: 1152.9

A bullet the last three days. We'll see if it is allowed to continue.

Also, notice the PS/3 has surpassed the Wii in the console sales ranking on Amazon.com

Gary

Once again, this is great news for HD DVD!

Maximus · 12-31-2006, 04:09 PM

Well BD just broke the 1000 mark, on a different site which updates much more frequently. Sign of things to come or just a one off?

I still maintain that Amazon rankings are complete BS (pardon my french) but if it takes one of the HD DVD fanboi's talking points away I'm fine with it.

dialog_gvf · 12-31-2006, 04:47 PM

^^ Great link

I agree. The methodology for these rankings is completely unknown.

Anyone else curious how a three month old release (Batman Begins) has a ranking of #122 and how two launch titles (Serenity and Apollo 13 both in HD DVD top 10) can possibly still be selling so well if these rankings are anywhere related to the current sales (rather than some other measurement).

Blu-ray: 917
HD DVD: 603

... as of 12:30pm EST today.

Gary

Maximus · 12-31-2006, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

^^ Great link

I agree. The methodology for these rankings is completely unknown.

Anyone else curious how a three month old release (Batman Begins) has a ranking of #122 and how two launch titles (Serenity and Apollo 13 both in HD DVD top 10) can possibly still be selling so well?

Blu-ray: 917
HD DVD: 603

... as of 12:30pm EST today.

Gary

I think that the top two (V and BB) in the HD side can be discounted to some extent as they will eventually both eventually be released on BD.

Apollo 13 is a good film so it does not surprise me that there are still strong sales, but Serenity I don't understand.

phloyd · 12-31-2006, 06:06 PM

Average rank is a retarded statistic since rank is not a linear measure.

Without actual sales numbers, we don't have any real information.

Rank just tells us one title sells more that another - you cannot make any meaningful statistic using math on rank...

12-15-2006, 12:20 AM	#88
Deciazulado Site Manager Top contributor Member since:Aug 2006 Location:USiberia Home Theater Gallery:6 4K collection:1160 Blu-ray collection:7047 DVD collection:4045	make over Wow, the dvdwars site got a make over. It's now http://www.eproductwars.com/dvd/ (if you click on the dvdwars link it redirects you to that. Check it ooout - Cheech Marín Don't think the google chart got fixed as per Ascended_Saiyan tho..

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12-13-2006, 09:06 PM	#81
dialog_gvf Moderator Member since:Nov 2006 Location:Toronto Blu-ray collection:320	They messed up. Multiple counting in both formats. Take a look again, they've fixed it. But, BD does have the available for order lead now (166-162) And it says BD has the over 10000 ranking lead for the first time ever (80-73) Gary

12-14-2006, 12:21 AM	#83
Deciazulado Site Manager Top contributor Member since:Aug 2006 Location:USiberia Home Theater Gallery:6 4K collection:1160 Blu-ray collection:7047 DVD collection:4045	Well I got in my list: Released: Blu-ray: 129 HD DVD: 138 Released + Coming dates: Blu-ray: 198 HD DVD: 159 So it's good that finally their BD numbers are catching up. (Since my coming dates' HD-DVD numbers are a little less than theirs, I shall look into that, but last time I revised my list I double checked with other HD-DVD lists. For example, adding released (138), to announced (21), (Example: What's announced on HD Digest) (At least last Tuesday when I double checked) gives you 159.

12-19-2006, 01:27 PM	#90
dialog_gvf Moderator Member since:Nov 2006 Location:Toronto Blu-ray collection:320	It looks like the holiday shopping (for DVD) continues in a big way. On thedvdwars (now eproductwars) HD DVD showed a big one day slip: Rankings: 1630 (from just over 1200) Top 10000: 53 (from 77) BD remains in its recent range, which indicates that either BD is totally below the DVD activity, or sales of BD have been increasing significantly to compensate for the factors that are causing HD DVD to drop like a rock. HD DVD is down about 600 places in the rankings in a week and about 1100 places since the beginning of the month. In the last few weeks BD has had 2000 and 2300 days (compared that to HD DVD's 1630 today). For the last few days the average price for HD DVD has been rather high. Today is shows a $3 gap (which is pretty huge). BD took over the "Number of DVDs that can be purchased today" lead on Dec. 13. And it is likely that it will never give that back up, as it is expected that the BD studios will make significant announcements at CES, including Warner announcing a "catch-up" schedule. Gary

12-21-2006, 06:10 AM	#92
dialog_gvf Moderator Member since:Nov 2006 Location:Toronto Blu-ray collection:320	I guess Xmas shopping is over. Both formats have popped the last two days. In fact, BD jumped past HD DVD's number from just TWO DAYS AGO!

12-21-2006, 05:41 PM	#94
Jazar Active Member Member since:Jun 2006	Looking at the top chart right now, the sales ranks have never been so close. Hopefully this BD will finally pass HD DVD for good.

12-29-2006, 01:51 PM	#95
dialog_gvf Moderator Member since:Nov 2006 Location:Toronto Blu-ray collection:320	New all-time high for BD: 1152.9 A bullet the last three days. We'll see if it is allowed to continue. Also, notice the PS/3 has surpassed the Wii in the console sales ranking on Amazon.com Gary

12-31-2006, 04:09 PM	#97
Maximus Super Moderator Top contributor Member since:Nov 2006	Well BD just broke the 1000 mark, on a different site which updates much more frequently. Sign of things to come or just a one off? I still maintain that Amazon rankings are complete BS (pardon my french) but if it takes one of the HD DVD fanboi's talking points away I'm fine with it.

12-31-2006, 04:47 PM	#98
dialog_gvf Moderator Member since:Nov 2006 Location:Toronto Blu-ray collection:320	^^ Great link I agree. The methodology for these rankings is completely unknown. Anyone else curious how a three month old release (Batman Begins) has a ranking of #122 and how two launch titles (Serenity and Apollo 13 both in HD DVD top 10) can possibly still be selling so well if these rankings are anywhere related to the current sales (rather than some other measurement). Blu-ray: 917 HD DVD: 603 ... as of 12:30pm EST today. Gary

12-31-2006, 06:06 PM	#100
phloyd Blu-ray Guru Member since:Dec 2003 Location:California Trading Score:5	Average rank is a retarded statistic since rank is not a linear measure. Without actual sales numbers, we don't have any real information. Rank just tells us one title sells more that another - you cannot make any meaningful statistic using math on rank...

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