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Old 06-29-2010, 08:32 AM   #11341
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I liked the more complex story with juggling the different times and timelines. In comparison part 3 was rather simplistic. And the future scenes were not hokey but satire, IMO.
That's exactly why I don't like the second as much. The whole story of the trilogy is based around stretching realism, but the first film's story (artistic licence and theatricality aside) could potentially happen in real life e.g. the time travel.

What I found so distracting in the second was that the ability to suspend disbelief was abandoned in the extreme so often that it took me out of the experience. In that way I found the third more of a return to the style of the first. I'd say in terms of suspension of disbelief it falls somewhere between the original and part II.

I don't hate the second, I just find it to be the weakest of the three by a long shot IMHO. There are aspects that I find particularly good (where they re-visit the Enchantment Under the Sea Dance) but there are also many moments I find particularly cringe-worthy (the McFly family scenes for instance).

I'll be picking up the trilogy when released and I too am hoping for a quality release with great picture quality. I don't really doubt that the sound will be good - Universal has never had problems there in my experience. This and Fox's Alien franchise are two of my favourites and I hope they each get the treatment they deserve in a release that we deserve.
 
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That's exactly why I don't like the second as much. The whole story of the trilogy is based around stretching realism, but the first film's story (artistic licence and theatricality aside) could potentially happen in real life e.g. the time travel.

What I found so distracting in the second was that the ability to suspend disbelief was abandoned in the extreme so often that it took me out of the experience. In that way I found the third more of a return to the style of the first. I'd say in terms of suspension of disbelief it falls somewhere between the original and part II.

I don't hate the second, I just find it to be the weakest of the three by a long shot IMHO. There are aspects that I find particularly good (where they re-visit the Enchantment Under the Sea Dance) but there are also many moments I find particularly cringe-worthy (the McFly family scenes for instance).

I'll be picking up the trilogy when released and I too am hoping for a quality release with great picture quality. I don't really doubt that the sound will be good - Universal has never had problems there in my experience. This and Fox's Alien franchise are two of my favourites and I hope they each get the treatment they deserve in a release that we deserve.
Perhaps instead of "hokey" I should have used the more apt "tongue-in-cheek". I find the future stuff in part II to be funny. My brother and I still joke when we have pizza about how we sure know how to rehydrate a pizza.
 
Old 06-29-2010, 02:48 PM   #11343
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Perhaps instead of "hokey" I should have used the more apt "tongue-in-cheek". I find the future stuff in part II to be funny. My brother and I still joke when we have pizza about how we sure know how to rehydrate a pizza.
Yeah, it was just stuff that like that made it so stupid and distanced itself from the other two. I don't HATE the 2nd one by any means, but I don't really like it all that much and its kinda funny to see how far off Gale and Zemeckis when writing that script in interpretation of the future in 2015.
 
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Yeah, it was just stuff that like that made it so stupid and distanced itself from the other two. I don't HATE the 2nd one by any means, but I don't really like it all that much and its kinda funny to see how far off Gale and Zemeckis when writing that script in interpretation of the future in 2015.
I don't think they were aiming for a genuine and accurate foretelling of what the future held, but a modern take on the old goofy shows and cartoons that used to give a sci-fi "preview" of the future. Honestly, there is a lot of Jetsons influence in BTTF 2.
 
Old 06-29-2010, 03:21 PM   #11345
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Jeff,

There's a thread started about new BDs already having scratches on them prior to purchase. I've noticed lately that I've gotten a few new ones with some scratches on them, some with fingerprints. Obviously a return can solve this problem, but what is causing these issues? Aren't the discs packed by machine? And if they're packed by a person, why in the world don't they wear gloves?

I had gotten Dr. Zhivago a while back and it had at least 10 scratches on it. I don't understand how that disc can still get packed and shipped out. I don't get how a disc can get scratched 10 times and then get put in a case.

Do all studios use different factories to pack the movies? In my case, whenever I get a damaged disc, it's usually from Paramount or Universal.

I had a much bigger problem on DVDs. Seems like a few years ago, I had went through one stretch where every other movie I ordered, no matter where it came from, had 1 or 2 scratches on it. On the flip side, in 15+ years of buying CDs, I never once had a scratched disc.

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Until fairly recently most disc media was packed in cases by hand. Paramount and Universal do use the same replicator, I'll pass along the problem
 
Old 06-29-2010, 04:06 PM   #11347
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I don't think they were aiming for a genuine and accurate foretelling of what the future held, but a modern take on the old goofy shows and cartoons that used to give a sci-fi "preview" of the future. Honestly, there is a lot of Jetsons influence in BTTF 2.
I never said they were aiming for that, but its still funny to see how far off they (likely it aint 2015 yet) were. Nevertheless, Ill end it by saying that they just made the 2nd one too cheesy for my tastes and seeing how ridiculous 1985 became after Biff got the almanac. The first and third ones were somewhat grounded in reality.


I don't truly know if many people think the 2nd one is the best, its just from people who are my age who were in 2nd and 3rd grade when the 2nd one came out. Everyone I know who grew up watching it liked the 2nd one best.
 
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So Jeff...
More and more of us are now getting uneasy for Fox's release of the Alien Quadrilogy (mainly Alien & Aliens), do you have any idea if Fox will pull another über-grain-free Predator release?
 
Old 06-29-2010, 04:27 PM   #11349
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Until fairly recently most disc media was packed in cases by hand. Paramount and Universal do use the same replicator, I'll pass along the problem
Thanks. I think I've only encountered 1 damaged disc from Disney and WB, and none from Sony or Fox. But the other 2, definitely happened a few times. I think the most recent was War of the Worlds. It had a few on it. I went through multiple copies of African Queen as well before getting one scratch free.

If someone like yourself weren't available to forward complaints, how would these places know there was an issue? Just by returned discs?

Regarding the Elite style case, I must say they have improved their quality. I think I've only had 1 broken case from them this year. Last year, it was almost a weekly occurrence, especially on those 3-disc cases. But they seem to be more sturdy now.

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Old 06-29-2010, 04:30 PM   #11350
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So Jeff...
More and more of us are now getting uneasy for Fox's release of the Alien Quadrilogy (mainly Alien & Aliens), do you have any idea if Fox will pull another über-grain-free Predator release?
Jeff and Bill have both told me not to worry. I trust Ridley and Cameron to make sure this doesn't happen.
 
Old 06-29-2010, 05:25 PM   #11351
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Thanks. I think I've only encountered 1 damaged disc from Disney and WB, and none from Sony or Fox. But the other 2, definitely happened a few times. I think the most recent was War of the Worlds. It had a few on it. I went through multiple copies of African Queen as well before getting one scratch free.

If someone like yourself weren't available to forward complaints, how would these places know there was an issue? Just by returned discs?

Regarding the Elite style case, I must say they have improved their quality. I think I've only had 1 broken case from them this year. Last year, it was almost a weekly occurrence, especially on those 3-disc cases. But they seem to be more sturdy now.
My Forest Gump blu ray had the black security sticker placed directly on the underneath of the disc

I took pictures first and was able to remove it without any damage to the disc, but I don't know if I can say the same for my PS3 which made a terrible grinding sound when I loaded the disc before seeing the sticker.
 
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Jeff and Bill have both told me not to worry. I trust Ridley and Cameron to make sure this doesn't happen.
Awesome... awesome... just had to repeat that. Thanks.
 
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Awesome... awesome... just had to repeat that. Thanks.
Jeff can feel free to reconfirm it though.
 
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Jeff can feel free to reconfirm it though.
Though I trust you, it couldn't hurt.

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Old 06-29-2010, 11:32 PM   #11355
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Jeff, does the fact that the BTTF press release has bob gale specifically confirming no DNR give us hope that Universal is actually aware that a lot of people are pissed about DNR?
 
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hey guys just got a question that has been bothering me somewhat
apparently recently paramount dropped loads of its dvd catalogue titles
including :

-harold and maude
-dont look now
-once upon a time in the west
-apocalypse now
-rosemary's baby
-chinatown

and countless amounts of classics .....
sorry for seeming stupid but does this mean they are still coming to blu-ray ??
im getting a bit worried considering quite a few of there blu-rays just went out of print also....

i figured you where the peoples to ask
look forward to your response
 
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Btw, what is the obsessions with preordering bluray titles? Its not like you get any advantages over someone who makes a Day One purchase??

Help me understand....
 
Old 06-30-2010, 12:42 AM   #11358
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Moratorium is a fact of life in video, and has been since the VHS days. Typically they'll come back 6-12 months later.

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hey guys just got a question that has been bothering me somewhat
apparently recently paramount dropped loads of its dvd catalogue titles
including :

-harold and maude
-dont look now
-once upon a time in the west
-apocalypse now
-rosemary's baby
-chinatown

and countless amounts of classics .....
sorry for seeming stupid but does this mean they are still coming to blu-ray ??
im getting a bit worried considering quite a few of there blu-rays just went out of print also....

i figured you where the peoples to ask
look forward to your response
 
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Btw, what is the obsessions with preordering bluray titles? Its not like you get any advantages over someone who makes a Day One purchase??
Don't ask me. Unless it's a limited run item, it's not like they're going to run out
 
Old 06-30-2010, 12:57 AM   #11360
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Don't ask me. Unless it's a limited run item, it's not like they're going to run out
I mean I find it funny that when a title is announced I see so many posts of "preordered" or "I cancelled my preorder" for whatever reason.

For games I can understand since they nowadays come with a lot of preorder bonuses, even if they are usually meaningless, but still they ARE there.
 
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