Predator (1987) (Ultimate Hunter Edition)

[Plisskenetic]

Who says they've all been brightened up?? Have u actually seen it footage playing in front of your face?? I certainly have. I wonder how many comparison's have u actually made and are they only from stupid screenshots?? True that the Predator emerging from the waters is a tad too bright, but you exagerrate claiming its all over the new transfer. That's complete bull!! The blacks are deep and solid throughout. The old transfer is too dark and noisy... I wouldn't call it grainy because it's WAY too much to be even called grain... way too much... And the look of the green blood is pretty faithful since the hue is the pretty much identical... If u dont wanna spend the money, go to a shop that has it playing.

[tqmilymi]

$13.99 is a good enough price point for me. I'll take the waxy finishes and add the two discs from my SD DVD edition to this for an Ultimate edition.

[Blu-Moon]

With all this going on, I'm now wondering what LucasFilm will do with the original Star Wars Trilogy? There was some grain in those three movies as well, but I didn't mind since it was part of the experience.

[persuazion]

Originally Posted by Inspector Toschi

It's not an opinion that the brightness has been boosted and DNR has scrubbed away the films texture. Grain is non existence and a moonlit night has now been turned into day. I'm sure everyone understands that you like the new look better, but it is not an opinion that Predator has been seriously altered. It is a fact that this BD looks nothing like Predator did in theaters. If you can't understand these differences then you're in a completely different world then everyone else.

How does anybody remember what Predator looked like in the theaters? I mean seriously....unless you were all film students and taking notes or your Rain Man I really doubt anybody could tell you how it looked when they saw it 20 + years ago.

[persuazion]

Originally Posted by sejanus

And ignorance like that is why the studios churn out garbage like this release

But even the reviewers trashed the first release......why all of a sudden is the first release transfer the Holy Grail of Blurays.....you honestly think that shot looks good?

[Grubert]

Originally Posted by Blu-Moon

With all this going on, I'm now wondering what LucasFilm will do with the original Star Wars Trilogy? There was some grain in those three movies as well, but I didn't mind since it was part of the experience.

Going from past history we'll get Jar Jar planted in the Mos Eisley Cantina and Chewbacca replaced with CGI. Grain will be the least of our concerns.

[Hatter]

Well dvdtalk thoroughly bashed the video quality of this abomination of a re-release. I can't wait for the dvdbeaver blu-ray comparison.

[Heaby]

persuazion:

You must be one of THE most stubborn people I have ever seen, and that's just from reading through this thread.

Even though reviewers have trashed this release (professional I might add), screenshot comparisons showing just how awful this release looks, people testifying that it even looks worse IN MOTION, experts and other people saying over and over that grain is detail and if you remove it you loose detail etc...

Even after all of this, you're still debating over this release?

[LetoAtreides82]

It's now 13.99 at Amazon, very nice price point considering this one has special features while the older release was just barebones. Just ordered the new one even though I have the older one.

[persuazion]

Originally Posted by Heaby

persuazion:

You must be one of THE most stubborn people I have ever seen, and that's just from reading through this thread.

Even though reviewers have trashed this release (professional I might add), screenshot comparisons showing just how awful this release looks, people testifying that it even looks worse IN MOTION, experts and other people saying over and over that grain is detail and if you remove it you loose detail etc...

Even after all of this, you're still debating over this release?

Im not the only one.......and I do know a little bit about movies I might add. I was in one. Ever heard of a little movie called ohhhhhh.........SIDEKICKS??

[wormraper]

Originally Posted by persuazion

Im not the only one.......and I do know a little bit about movies I might add. I was in one. Ever heard of a little movie called ohhhhhh.........SIDEKICKS??

BWAHAHAHAHA!! that's awesome. Please tell me who you were in that one. I saw that movie as a kid all the time (I've been involved in Chuck Norris's Chun Kud Do Karate for almost 15 years)

[persuazion]

Originally Posted by wormraper

BWAHAHAHAHA!! that's awesome. Please tell me who you were in that one. I saw that movie as a kid all the time (I've been involved in Chuck Norris's Chun Kud Do Karate for almost 15 years)

Lets just say I was in it.....I was also about to get the lead role in CrissCross until that other kid beat me out of it....

[Teazle]

Originally Posted by Cliff

Saw this posted over at AVS and found it to be an extremely impressive write-up, so I am reposting here:


As to his comment that all anyone can think of over there to support the creative use of grain argument is Spielberg, I would also add to that list Tarantino, Eastwood, Scorsese (although he is utilizing digital and 3D for his next movie, but it's also a kid's movie- who saw that coming), Paul Greengrass (Green Zone), Michael Bay (Transformers), Eli Roth (Hostel), the creative forces behind Battlestar Galactica, Darren Aronofsky (The Wrestler), Tim Burton (Sleepy Hollow), and Sylvester Stallone (Rocky Balboa). In fact, he makes a great point about the horror genre and a great example is the entire Saw series of films, which have all been shot with the very deliberate use of grain.

Impressive??!! What a piece of pseudointellectual piffle that rant was. "Emotional logic" vs "vanilla logic"? WTH! Snow walker sequence in Empire Strikes Back somehow supposed to illustrate this distinction??!! Drivel

[mars396]

I demand that this (and any future Blu-rays) look and sound EXACTLY as it did in a movie theater in 1987 !!!!!!

DO NOT DARE touch a single frame of this – all the flickering hair, and sparkling black dots MUST still be seen in today’s HD Home Theatres ! The bottom portion of the screen must be angled and blurry, as it was in 1987, when the projector was not exactly perfectly aimed onto the screen.

The stop, pause, fast-forward, and rewind buttons must all be disabled, and it will only play on my Blu-ray player at specific times. If I am late, I miss the opening credits ! If I get a snack or use the bathroom, I miss that portion of the film ! That is how a film IS SUPPOSED to be seen !!!! That is the original intent of the Director and the DP !

I demand that an audible POP followed by the jerky back-and-forth image that occurred at each reel change. In fact, because I distinctly remember the exact pixel-by-pixel presentation I saw in 23 years ago, the second reel MUST MUST MUST be slightly out-of-focus. Then after the second POP and back-and-forth jerk, it is in focus for the rest of the presentation.

DO NOT in any way change the sound. IT MUST sound exactly as it did in that theatre in 1987. There should only be sound coming from the left front, and right front speakers. There MUST be the tat-tat-tat-tat-tat-tat-tat of the projector in the rear channel. I want to hear the occaissional POP and crackling on the soundtrack EXACTLY as I heard it in 1987. In fact, I demand that there be an annoying low hum in the left speaker and the sound of the movie intermitantly go silent on the left side throughout the feature as THAT IS HOW I SAW IT IN 1987 ! As we are going for authenticity, I demand an optional 7.1 soundtrack with people talking, crunching popcorn, laughing at Arnold’s accent, and the squeak-squeak-squeak of the straws on the lids of sodas.

And anyone who disagrees with me is an idiot and hates film and is against the original intent of the director !

[Nick666]

And some popcorn to come with the BR .

[persuazion]

Originally Posted by mars396

I demand that this (and any future Blu-rays) look and sound EXACTLY as it did in a movie theater in 1987 !!!!!!

DO NOT DARE touch a single frame of this – all the flickering hair, and sparkling black dots MUST still be seen in today’s HD Home Theatres ! The bottom portion of the screen must be angled and blurry, as it was in 1987, when the projector was not exactly perfectly aimed onto the screen.

The stop, pause, fast-forward, and rewind buttons must all be disabled, and it will only play on my Blu-ray player at specific times. If I am late, I miss the opening credits ! If I get a snack or use the bathroom, I miss that portion of the film ! That is how a film IS SUPPOSED to be seen !!!! That is the original intent of the Director and the DP !

I demand that an audible POP followed by the jerky back-and-forth image that occurred at each reel change. In fact, because I distinctly remember the exact pixel-by-pixel presentation I saw in 23 years ago, the second reel MUST MUST MUST be slightly out-of-focus. Then after the second POP and back-and-forth jerk, it is in focus for the rest of the presentation.

DO NOT in any way change the sound. IT MUST sound exactly as it did in that theatre in 1987. There should only be sound coming from the left front, and right front speakers. There MUST be the tat-tat-tat-tat-tat-tat-tat of the projector in the rear channel. I want to hear the occaissional POP and crackling on the soundtrack EXACTLY as I heard it in 1987. In fact, I demand that there be an annoying low hum in the left speaker and the sound of the movie intermitantly go silent on the left side throughout the feature as THAT IS HOW I SAW IT IN 1987 ! As we are going for authenticity, I demand an optional 7.1 soundtrack with people talking, crunching popcorn, laughing at Arnold’s accent, and the squeak-squeak-squeak of the straws on the lids of sodas.

And anyone who disagrees with me is an idiot and hates film and is against the original intent of the director !

You went to the extreme with having to have the squeak squeak from the straws lol.

[toddly6666]

Originally Posted by mars396

I demand that this (and any future Blu-rays) look and sound EXACTLY as it did in a movie theater in 1987 !!!!!!

DO NOT DARE touch a single frame of this – all the flickering hair, and sparkling black dots MUST still be seen in today’s HD Home Theatres ! The bottom portion of the screen must be angled and blurry, as it was in 1987, when the projector was not exactly perfectly aimed onto the screen.

The stop, pause, fast-forward, and rewind buttons must all be disabled, and it will only play on my Blu-ray player at specific times. If I am late, I miss the opening credits ! If I get a snack or use the bathroom, I miss that portion of the film ! That is how a film IS SUPPOSED to be seen !!!! That is the original intent of the Director and the DP !

I demand that an audible POP followed by the jerky back-and-forth image that occurred at each reel change. In fact, because I distinctly remember the exact pixel-by-pixel presentation I saw in 23 years ago, the second reel MUST MUST MUST be slightly out-of-focus. Then after the second POP and back-and-forth jerk, it is in focus for the rest of the presentation.

DO NOT in any way change the sound. IT MUST sound exactly as it did in that theatre in 1987. There should only be sound coming from the left front, and right front speakers. There MUST be the tat-tat-tat-tat-tat-tat-tat of the projector in the rear channel. I want to hear the occaissional POP and crackling on the soundtrack EXACTLY as I heard it in 1987. In fact, I demand that there be an annoying low hum in the left speaker and the sound of the movie intermitantly go silent on the left side throughout the feature as THAT IS HOW I SAW IT IN 1987 ! As we are going for authenticity, I demand an optional 7.1 soundtrack with people talking, crunching popcorn, laughing at Arnold’s accent, and the squeak-squeak-squeak of the straws on the lids of sodas.

And anyone who disagrees with me is an idiot and hates film and is against the original intent of the director !

I don't understand all these people that say "just how it was in the theater" if they saw a film during the pre-stadium seating days. I see films in independant theaters and mainstream stadium theaters, but generally, dvds and blu-rays on an HDTV still seem to look better than how it is shown in the theater due to all the above factors. If the film is not some digital projection, then the video quality on a dvd or blu-ray still looks better than a theater showing with all these above listed factors which are very common. We all see who is working in movie theaters - the quality control is not that great. And we all know that movie theaters are getting very cheap and cutting corners to rip off the customer and just not caring.

If you were a young adult, teen, or child when you saw Predator in the theaters, how the hell could you remember how it was shown in the theaters? The only way of remembering how the film exactly looks is if you were already some kind of video quality nutcase back then, which seems very rare because people weren't obsessed with video quality back in the day because home video was about convenience of seeing a film in the home, and not about how it looks and sounds. Nowadays, before we go to the theater, we research if it's a digital projection or not, what kind of audio it is, what's the screen size, etc...

I'm not disagreeing with the film being grainy in the theaters. I'm just curious about how the hell can anyone remember the quality of the projection back in 1986? Who saw Predator in the theaters and how old were you at the time?

[Roy Batty]

Originally Posted by mars396

I demand that this (and any future Blu-rays) look and sound EXACTLY as it did in a movie theater in 1987 !!!!!!

DO NOT DARE touch a single frame of this – all the flickering hair, and sparkling black dots MUST still be seen in today’s HD Home Theatres ! The bottom portion of the screen must be angled and blurry, as it was in 1987, when the projector was not exactly perfectly aimed onto the screen.

The stop, pause, fast-forward, and rewind buttons must all be disabled, and it will only play on my Blu-ray player at specific times. If I am late, I miss the opening credits ! If I get a snack or use the bathroom, I miss that portion of the film ! That is how a film IS SUPPOSED to be seen !!!! That is the original intent of the Director and the DP !

I demand that an audible POP followed by the jerky back-and-forth image that occurred at each reel change. In fact, because I distinctly remember the exact pixel-by-pixel presentation I saw in 23 years ago, the second reel MUST MUST MUST be slightly out-of-focus. Then after the second POP and back-and-forth jerk, it is in focus for the rest of the presentation.

DO NOT in any way change the sound. IT MUST sound exactly as it did in that theatre in 1987. There should only be sound coming from the left front, and right front speakers. There MUST be the tat-tat-tat-tat-tat-tat-tat of the projector in the rear channel. I want to hear the occaissional POP and crackling on the soundtrack EXACTLY as I heard it in 1987. In fact, I demand that there be an annoying low hum in the left speaker and the sound of the movie intermitantly go silent on the left side throughout the feature as THAT IS HOW I SAW IT IN 1987 ! As we are going for authenticity, I demand an optional 7.1 soundtrack with people talking, crunching popcorn, laughing at Arnold’s accent, and the squeak-squeak-squeak of the straws on the lids of sodas.

And anyone who disagrees with me is an idiot and hates film and is against the original intent of the director !

What a sad show of ignorance on the matter trying to pass for wit...

[mars396]

Originally Posted by Roy Batty

What a sad show of ignorance on the matter trying to pass for wit...

Please do enlighten me where I am wrong; I do not wish to live in such ignorance.

[Dotpattern]

Originally Posted by Teazle

Impressive??!! What a piece of pseudointellectual piffle that rant was. "Emotional logic" vs "vanilla logic"? WTH! Snow walker sequence in Empire Strikes Back somehow supposed to illustrate this distinction??!! Drivel

In movies, time and time again, filmmakers do not strive to make scenes realistic, or to make realistic sense. Rather they rely on emotional realism or "emotional logic (Raiders of the Lost Ark is probably the greatest example of this from beginning to end)." What that poster is referring to is that attacking the rebels with such clunky technology such as snow walkers on 4 legs that move incredibly slow makes no sense, compared to what the Empire could have attacked with given the technology that supposedly exists in that universe. But the scene is so well done, it's so exciting to watch and has become an iconic classic because it feels right emotionally - we're emotionally invested. Realistically or logically it makes no sense. But emotionally we all love it and we accept it.

The shark jumping onto the Orca at the end of Jaws is another perfect example of "emotional logic."