The Official Paradigm Speakers Thread

[Morrissey]

Originally Posted by i JACK o

whats the plan? get a pair of 100 v6s when they come out? hopefully they dont change the tweeters on you, then the sound from the v5 690 might not match the new fronts

Actually I was going to see if my dealer would let me upgrade to the 100's V5 including my cc690. Kind of thinking of going to an all black front sound stage. This way if I go all black then I'll never have to go back.

Just tossing the idea around in my head...not sure if they would even do that...Ryan any thoughts since you're a dealer?

[-DLS-]

Originally Posted by callas01

If you get the chance, try and listen to some Dynaudio Focus 220 II's($3600) or Totem Hawks($2600) or Forests($4000). Also if you can locate Amphion Prio 620s(~$3500).

I have heard many speakers, and for the money, I would take any of these over anything else I have heard. I have not heard the Studio 100s, but I would venture to say that these speakers, esp the Dyns would really peak your intrests. Totem is built in Canada, so that shouldn't be a difficult find for you up there. Dynaudio may be a little more of a tough find, but they are very neutral, and they are honest. Honest to the point that some people find them too revealing. If you have a bad source or a bad recording... its gonna let you know.

callas01 how did the Forrests compare to the Hawks? Those are two I plan on doing a side by side demo this summer. The Totem Rep told me the Sttafs are probably their best speaker for the dollar but I still really want to hear the Forrests.

As for Paradigm and speaker demoing for my taste I still haven't found anything I like better at their price point and I've heard quite a few in good listening environments(home setups and local shops).

One thing I will say about the Studio 100's is that they will also bring out the worst of bad recordings. With alot of mp3 files and even some CD's I never noticed how bad they were recorded until I played them on my current setup but these boys will shine with a well recorded track!! Even more with a DTS-HDMA or Dolby TRUE-HD movie which is what our main use is Studio owners know what I'm talkin about!! Most times speaker demoing really makes me love what I got even more..

[Ryan Peddle]

Originally Posted by -DLS-

One thing I will say about the Studio 100's is that they will also bring out the worst of bad recordings. With alot of mp3 files and even some CD's I never noticed how bad they were recorded until I played them on my current setup but these boys will shine with a well recorded track!! Even more with a DTS-HDMA or Dolby TRUE-HD movie which is what our main use is Studio owners know what I'm talkin about!! Most times speaker demoing really makes me love what I got even more..

I couldn't agree more. In fact, I was doing some track by track listening of a few 90's rock songs today, of which I had in lossless form as well as mp3. And weirdly enough the MP3 was more enjoyable because I could'nt hear all the flaws.

Tom Petty, Wildflowers (in lossless) is a nice light track and really can show off the soundstage of the 100s.

And I discovered today (as I did when owned Monitor 7v2 and my beloved PW2200 6 years ago) I much prefer my music without the my Sub12. It simply adds so much bottom end that I feel I lose out on the separation and beauty of the 2 channels. Now my room is brutal, and when I finish the basement and do some proper room treatments, then we'll see if I can blend the sub in for music.

But man do I love that sub for movies...

[aces high]

Originally Posted by Ryan Peddle

I couldn't agree more. In fact, I was doing some track by track listening of a few 90's rock songs today, of which I had in lossless form as well as mp3. And weirdly enough the MP3 was more enjoyable because I could'nt hear all the flaws.

Tom Petty, Wildflowers (in lossless) is a nice light track and really can show off the soundstage of the 100s.

And I discovered today (as I did when owned Monitor 7v2 and my beloved PW2200 6 years ago) I much prefer my music without the my Sub12. It simply adds so much bottom end that I feel I lose out on the separation and beauty of the 2 channels. Now my room is brutal, and when I finish the basement and do some proper room treatments, then we'll see if I can blend the sub in for music.

But man do I love that sub for movies...

Have you used the PBK on your Sub 12? I found using that really helped blend my sub with everything else. It really helped seeing the in room response of the sub, a fair bit of repositioning is required which is not easy with my 105 pound sub. Once the perfect spot is found it blends very well. What crossover are you using? I go back and forth between 80-100 hz when I'm pushing it and 50hz for average music levels. The higher crossover point is used right to help out my receiver which starts to struggle at spirited levels.

[azereus]

Originally Posted by Morrissey

Actually I was going to see if my dealer would let me upgrade to the 100's V5 including my cc690. Kind of thinking of going to an all black front sound stage. This way if I go all black then I'll never have to go back.

Just tossing the idea around in my head...not sure if they would even do that...Ryan any thoughts since you're a dealer?

While you're at it you may as well go Piano Black! It looks soooo nice.

[Morrissey]

Originally Posted by azereus

While you're at it you may as well go Piano Black! It looks soooo nice.

Now you're talking!
I may just do that depending on the price!

[callas01]

Originally Posted by -DLS-

callas01 how did the Forrests compare to the Hawks? Those are two I plan on doing a side by side demo this summer. The Totem Rep told me the Sttafs are probably their best speaker for the dollar but I still really want to hear the Forrests.

As for Paradigm and speaker demoing for my taste I still haven't found anything I like better at their price point and I've heard quite a few in good listening environments(home setups and local shops).

One thing I will say about the Studio 100's is that they will also bring out the worst of bad recordings. With alot of mp3 files and even some CD's I never noticed how bad they were recorded until I played them on my current setup but these boys will shine with a well recorded track!! Even more with a DTS-HDMA or Dolby TRUE-HD movie which is what our main use is Studio owners know what I'm talkin about!! Most times speaker demoing really makes me love what I got even more..

didn't get to hear the forests... buy i know the dealer said they use dynaudio drivers and are more refined and better mid-range, but he also pushed the Sttafs more then the others as the price-performance was best.

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by callas01

didn't get to hear the forests... buy i know the dealer said they use dynaudio drivers and are more refined and better mid-range, but he also pushed the Sttafs more then the others as the price-performance was best.

Well this guy made a wrong statement the Forest does not use a Dynaudio driver. It uses a cnadian made ATI very look alike Dynaudio it uses 12 screws on a 6.5 inch vs 6 screws for Dynaudio 6.5 and 5.5 inches drivers..

Mani 2, Model One and The Wind (the 2 5.5 inch Mid bass drivers) are using Dynaudio drivers in their construction.

[i JACK o]

theres a pair of "like new" studio 60 v5s for 1300$ on audiogon, i thought about getting them instead of a cc 690...i have no idea why

[Morrissey]

Originally Posted by i JACK o

theres a pair of "like new" studio 60 v5s for 1300$ on audiogon, i thought about getting them instead of a cc 690...i have no idea why

Maybe because that's a great price. What would you use them for though?

[callas01]

Originally Posted by Morrissey

Maybe because that's a great price. What would you use the for though?

Ummm... buy a nice Integrated Amp/CD player combo and setup a really nice 2 channel music system

[Morrissey]

Originally Posted by callas01

Ummm... buy a nice Integrated Amp/CD player combo and setup a really nice 2 channel music system

For sure, but he's saving for his centre speaker though.

[i JACK o]

Originally Posted by Morrissey

Maybe because that's a great price. What would you use them for though?

idkkk id just put em in the the corner of my room and stare lol i want rounded cabinets too but as you said ive got bigger needs, ill keep holding my breath for a 690, havnt seen to many on the used market this summer though

[Morrissey]

Originally Posted by i JACK o

idkkk id just put em in the the corner of my room and stare lol i want rounded cabinets too but as you said ive got bigger needs, ill keep holding my breath for a 690, havnt seen to many on the used market this summer though

I have an idea...sell your Studio 100s v4 to GAWD because that's what he's looking for to match his 590 v4 center. Then you can get the Studio 60s. Win/win.

[i JACK o]

Originally Posted by Morrissey

I have an idea...sell your Studio 100s v4 to GAWD because that's what he's looking for to match his 590 v4 center. Then you can get the Studio 60s. Win/win.

no original boxes by the time they got to canada they'd look worse then my 690 did

[madrastalkies]

first of all i am not sure whether i can talk about pric here..if i cant..lemme know i will delete this post..

help needed...just joined this group to save some money. i am going to paradigm dealer to negotiate Monitor 11 fronts and CC 390 center (3 speakers)
retail price as you all know $1498 pair + $749...
somewhere in emotiva lounge i read CC390 V6 - one person bought it for $399....

can anyone guide me - how much money i can save...

please..

[callas01]

Originally Posted by madrastalkies

first of all i am not sure whether i can talk about pric here..if i cant..lemme know i will delete this post..

help needed...just joined this group to save some money. i am going to paradigm dealer to negotiate Monitor 11 fronts and CC 390 center (3 speakers)
retail price as you all know $1498 pair + $749...
somewhere in emotiva lounge i read CC390 V6 - one person bought it for $399....

can anyone guide me - how much money i can save...

please..

I would argue 20% off, most dealers won't go less then that..

[BigAl87]

Originally Posted by -DLS-

callas01 how did the Forrests compare to the Hawks? Those are two I plan on doing a side by side demo this summer. The Totem Rep told me the Sttafs are probably their best speaker for the dollar but I still really want to hear the Forrests.

As for Paradigm and speaker demoing for my taste I still haven't found anything I like better at their price point and I've heard quite a few in good listening environments(home setups and local shops).

One thing I will say about the Studio 100's is that they will also bring out the worst of bad recordings. With alot of mp3 files and even some CD's I never noticed how bad they were recorded until I played them on my current setup but these boys will shine with a well recorded track!! Even more with a DTS-HDMA or Dolby TRUE-HD movie which is what our main use is Studio owners know what I'm talkin about!! Most times speaker demoing really makes me love what I got even more..

The Forrest is what will be the closest match to the Sttaf in terms of tonal nuance. I would tell you that the Forrest will be smoother than the Hawk and bit more linear but it does not really qualify as beeing linear it's just to dynamic for it to be. Both the Hawk and Forrest have amazing bass extension and tremendous detail. Both speaker image really good and offer amazing staging.
It's hard to explain but it all comes down to your preference.

I would lean more towards the Forrest but that's my personal choice.

Your Dealer is right though the Sttaf offers uncomoparable value and really is top notch versatile speaker and a lot more forgiving then the Forrest or the Hawk. Very serious gear is required for the Forrest. Amperage is the key they can take a whole lot more wattage than what is stated on the totem web site.

[i JACK o]

Originally Posted by madrastalkies

first of all i am not sure whether i can talk about pric here..if i cant..lemme know i will delete this post..

help needed...just joined this group to save some money. i am going to paradigm dealer to negotiate Monitor 11 fronts and CC 390 center (3 speakers)
retail price as you all know $1498 pair + $749...
somewhere in emotiva lounge i read CC390 V6 - one person bought it for $399....

can anyone guide me - how much money i can save...

please..

id say that you could get it all for 2,000$ especially if you pay in cash

[-DLS-]

Originally Posted by BigAl87

The Forrest is what will be the closest match to the Sttaf in terms of tonal nuance. I would tell you that the Forrest will be smoother than the Hawk and bit more linear but it does not really qualify as beeing linear it's just to dynamic for it to be. Both the Hawk and Forrest have amazing bass extension and tremendous detail. Both speaker image really good and offer amazing staging.
It's hard to explain but it all comes down to your preference.

I would lean more towards the Forrest but that's my personal choice.

Your Dealer is right though the Sttaf offers uncomoparable value and really is top notch versatile speaker and a lot more forgiving then the Forrest or the Hawk. Very serious gear is required for the Forrest. Amperage is the key they can take a whole lot more wattage than what is stated on the totem web site.

Hopefully my ears can pick up all this stuff. I'm not good at describing sounds I just know what i like when I hear it . I'll be in the city again early August so hopefully finally get some good time at the shop.