Terry Gilliam's 12 Monkeys

[Paul Kersey]

Originally Posted by wonkavision

I did like Brother's Grimm, more than 12 Monkeys though? Hmmm...they rank about the same. As you immersed yourself in Time Bandits growing up, I did the same with Monty Python and the Holy Grail and Brazil.

I grew up on Holy Grail, too. I just never liked it as much as Time Bandits.

I'd like to know what you meant by "grew up" on Brazil, though.
How young were you when you first saw it? And what does that have to do with anything but trying to seem more sophisticated? Furthermore, what does being more sophisticated have to do with the Brothers Grimm, if that's what you're implying?

As far as Willis' acting is concerned; how is it any less believable than John Pryce's acting in Brazil? Acting isn't there for you to believe the actor. It's there for you to believe the story.

[wonkavision]

Originally Posted by Paul Kersey

I grew up on Holy Grail, too. I just never liked it as much as Time Bandits.

I'd like to know what you meant by "grew up" on Brazil, though.
How young were you when you first saw it? And what does that have to do with anything but trying to seem more sophisticated? Furthermore, what does being more sophisticated have to do with the Brothers Grimm, if that's what you're implying?

As far as Willis' acting is concerned; how is it any less believable than John Pryce's acting in Brazil? Acting isn't there for you to believe the actor. It's there for you to believe the story.

Honestly, I'm not sure exactly your motivations with your odd, probing questions. When I say "grew up on", I was following your comment on that for Time Bandits. I was a kid, a young teenager (16) when I first saw Brazil and became obsessed with it for various reasons and none of which has to do with your implication of seeming more sophisticated. Simply put: I love the film and everything about it, always have, always will. Yes, I was older than 8 or so, but certainly still growing and evolving as humans do. I simply connected to Brazil and watched it quite often on my VHS tape "growing up".

I'm totally unclear as to your question about Brothers Grimm. I wasn't implying anything other than I probably enjoy it more than 12 Monkeys.

Acting is indeed there for you to believe the actor. If you don't believe the actor, how in the world will you believe the story and every dialogue that is spoken by the actor to move the storyline? I suppose that's somewhat of a rhetorical question.

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I love that film. A tad ahead of Fear and Loathing as my favorite Gilliam movie. Picked it up on Blu recently, need to get around to watching it again!

[Paul Kersey]

Originally Posted by wonkavision

Honestly, I'm not sure exactly your motivations with your odd, probing questions. When I say "grew up on", I was following your comment on that for Time Bandits. I was a kid, a young teenager (16) when I first saw Brazil and became obsessed with it for various reasons and none of which has to do with your implication of seeming more sophisticated. Simply put: I love the film and everything about it, always have, always will. Yes, I was older than 8 or so, but certainly still growing and evolving as humans do. I simply connected to Brazil and watched it quite often on my VHS tape "growing up".

I'm totally unclear as to your question about Brothers Grimm. I wasn't implying anything other than I probably enjoy it more than 12 Monkeys.

Acting is indeed there for you to believe the actor. If you don't believe the actor, how in the world will you believe the story and every dialogue that is spoken by the actor to move the storyline? I suppose that's somewhat of a rhetorical question.

I'm not sure loving something since you're 16 is growing up on something. That's why I asked. I got my driver's permit, when I was sixteen. Does that mean I grew up driving?
I was asking "probing" questions because what I had figured by what you meant was exactly what turned out to be the case.
I only wanted to know this, because I thought it would be strange for somebody to have been watching Brazil since they were six or seven.
The only reason that matters is because having been repeatedly exposed to the vision of a single director from such a young age is going to effect one's taste in movies, in general more than being subjected to their work from a later time after one has been exposed to an entire array of influences on their taste.

The mention of sophistication has to do with the fact that I've seen a lot of people on this board throw a "sophisticated" title in when they want to talk down on something else. IE: "Box office movie "X" wasn't as good as Kubrick movie "Y", so my favorite movie makes me smarter than you" type of talk on this board. Sorry if I lumped you in with that crowd. The namedropping of Brazil just seemed to come a little too out of left field for me to be anything but suspicious and, thusly, sarcastic.

As far as acting goes, I still disagree. If Gary Oldman's character was more believable, he would have been much more subtle and the Professional wouldn't have been as good. There's an element of believability required, but I think too much believability just makes actors a distraction.
If I want to watch real people, I will watch a documentary.

[wonkavision]

Originally Posted by Paul Kersey

I'm not sure loving something since you're 16 is growing up on something. That's why I asked. I got my driver's permit, when I was sixteen. Does that mean I grew up driving?
I was asking "probing" questions because what I had figured by what you meant was exactly what turned out to be the case.
I only wanted to know this, because I thought it would be strange for somebody to have been watching Brazil since they were six or seven.
The only reason that matters is because having been repeatedly exposed to the vision of a single director from such a young age is going to effect one's taste in movies, in general more than being subjected to their work from a later time after one has been exposed to an entire array of influences on their taste.

The mention of sophistication has to do with the fact that I've seen a lot of people on this board throw a "sophisticated" title in when they want to talk down on something else. IE: "Box office movie "X" wasn't as good as Kubrick movie "Y", so my favorite movie makes me smarter than you" type of talk on this board. Sorry if I lumped you in with that crowd. The namedropping of Brazil just seemed to come a little too out of left field for me to be anything but suspicious and, thusly, sarcastic.

As far as acting goes, I still disagree. If Gary Oldman's character was more believable, he would have been much more subtle and the Professional wouldn't have been as good. There's an element of believability required, but I think too much believability just makes actors a distraction.
If I want to watch real people, I will watch a documentary.

You seem more of a linear thinker than I am. However, for the record, when I was 8 years old (or around there), I was head deep into all things horror: Black Christmas, Halloween, Exorcist, Night Of The Living Dead, The Changeling, It's Alive, Dawn of The Dead, Texas Chain Saw Massacre, etc. All thanks to my Dad...he got a kick out it and I couldn't get enough of it, intrigued by the feeling of being scared, but at the same time fascinated by the gore special effects (I remember wanting to do that kind of work...no typical fireman dreams for me). I also enjoyed fantasy and sci-fi prior to adolescence. I think had Brazil been out when I was 8 or so, I probably would have enjoyed it, probably not understood everything (I certainly know I'd love the music.) or maybe I would.

As for acting, I see your point and we'll just have to quietly and respectively disagree. It's like a storyteller, some people have a gift and can tell you a story and you're riveted, engrossed in the storyteller's every word, then there is everybody else who have no business telling stories.

[Paul Kersey]

Originally Posted by wonkavision

...I think had Brazil been out when I was 8 or so, I probably would have enjoyed it, probably not understood everything (I certainly know I'd love the music.) or maybe I would.

That's what I mean. It's a very complex and introverted story. Regardless of what somebody is allowed to watch, when they're a kid, what they can wrap their head around is totally different.
Although my favorite movies were all time travel movies, when I was a kid, and they all have kind of confusing situations (Although I'll admit that Time Bandits is more linear than most). So, maybe I'm wrong.

And, FYI, I might be a more linear thinker than you, as you suggested.
I'm, basically, moonlighting as a writer. I've written some screenplays that I'm trying to figure out what to do with and I'm in the process of writing and developing an episodic space opera comic with a friend of mine.
Not that you have to be a linear thinker to be a writer, but it tends to be the lexicon, depending on what you mean by "linear" I guess.