Predator (1987) (Ultimate Hunter Edition)

[persuazion]

Originally Posted by aramis109

Still trying to pigeonhole the "other side" and put words in people's mouths, I see.

please dont make me go and copy and paste all the posts talking about the sales and people buying the old version when this thread is all about the new version......how is that putting words in people's mouths??

[persuazion]

Originally Posted by Q!

It wouldn't matter much anyways, if we were able to organize such a thing succesfully total sales wouldn't budge noticably anyays.

Also, I had no complaints about grain as a first time experience, 300 being the first one I ever saw on Blu-ray, never knew anything about grain as well, totally ignorant on the matter. But that's just me.

but you had no complaints about dnr either right?

[Q?]

Originally Posted by persuazion

but you had no complaints about dnr either right?

I remember Dark City looked wrong to me but couldn't pin point it, then I learned about DNR later on. I'm speaking honestly.

[persuazion]

Originally Posted by SpotOn

Who cares about people who don't know better? What is your point? A child who doesn't understand nutrition would choose candy over an apple any day of the week. Does that mean we should let them have candy whenever they want a snack? Be honest now...

well I thought we were talking about "the masses". It was a question whether the masses who arent videophiles would like a plastic,waxy,dnr'd to death look or if they would prefer a more grainy accurate film representation......I asked which version you think a person who is new to blu and just wanted to show off their hd tv would find more appealing.......

[persuazion]

Originally Posted by Rob71

From what I have seen, there is a group who prefer plasticized HD images. There is an even larger group who prefer the less manipulated images. Then you have the masses that will lap up whatever is put in front of them. Why not cater to the enthusiasts?

They usually do.....there was another version out that catered to enthusiasts and people still complained about it and said "it was the best it will ever look due to the source"..

[Rob71]

Originally Posted by persuazion

They usually do.....there was another version out that catered to enthusiasts and people still complained about it and said "it was the best it will ever look due to the source"..

Considering this release, "they" were right.

[mars396]

Originally Posted by 42041

Anyway, this argument is still going in circles with the same 3 people, and if they don't get it after 207 pages, another 100 likely won't make any difference, so I suggest finding a better use your time folks

agreed.

this whole thread reminds me of a quote from City Slickers:

Mitch "DNR" Robbins: O.K., if you want to watch one show but record another show at the same time, the television set does not have to be on channel 3.

Phil "grainy" Berquist: Yeah it does.

Mitch Robbins: No it doesn't.

Phil Berquist: It does.

Mitch Robbins: No, if you're watching what you're recording, then it has to be on 3.

Phil Berquist: What... the TV or... or the machine?

Mitch Robbins: The TV.

Phil Berquist: You're saying I can record something I'm not even watching?

Mitch Robbins: Yes, that's the point. You don't even need a TV to record.

Phil Berquist: How would I see it?

Mitch Robbins: Well to see it you need a TV.

Ed Furillo: Shut up! Just shut up! He doesn't get it! He'll never get it! It's been 4 hours! The cows can tape something by now! Forget about it please!





mars396: They don't get it! They are never going to get it! It's been 207 pages ! The emoticons can understand supply and demand by now! Forget about it please!



we get it !! we get it ! ! !

[kpkelley]

Originally Posted by mars396

mars396: They don't get it! They are never get it! It's been 207 pages ! The emoticons can understand supply and demand by now! Forget about it please!

I wonder what the emoticon's have to say about the demand of a product tie-in release vs. the demand of a standard catalog title.

Sales figures in this instance are crap, given the release of the new Predators film. No one can say with any certainty whether or not the title would have sold more or fewer copies if they simply repackaged the old transfer with additional special features and Movie Cash.

[mars396]

Originally Posted by kpkelley

I wonder what the emoticon's have to say about the demand of a product tie-in release vs. the demand of a standard catalog title.

he's not talking about Predator Grain-O-Vision vs. Predator UHE !
he was never talking specifically about Predator Grain-O-Vision vs. Predator UHE !

[kpkelley]

Originally Posted by mars396

he's not talking about Predator Grain-O-Vision vs. Predator UHE !
he was never talking specifically about Predator Grain-O-Vision vs. Predator UHE !

In that case supply and demand has no relevance to the post you quoted. Besides, I can record more than two channels at once while watching another channel.


As to his meaning, he is referencing that if a new scan was done then comparing the quality of one transfer to another from seperate scans, even of the same movie, is like comparing two different films.

[supercutz]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

I think it's largely the video game crowd that has the problem with film-grain. Almost every single video game player I've seen seems think movies are supposed to be as clean as their games and that they should be one of the same. One of the negatives about BD going to the PS3 I guess. The general masses don't care either way.

I wish ignorant comments like this would stop being posted.

[mars396]

Originally Posted by supercutz

I wish ignorant comments like this would stop being posted.

Originally Posted by mars396

and there's that word again: "ignorant"

Is it a requirement of this Forum that the word "ignorant" must appear at least once per page ???

OK folks, that was the 98th time the word "ignorant" was posted in this thread.

Should we give a prize to the person who posts the 100th ???


(I am thinking a box of Whole Grain Cereal would be an appropriate prize...)

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by persuazion

well I thought we were talking about "the masses". It was a question whether the masses who arent videophiles would like a plastic,waxy,dnr'd to death look or if they would prefer a more grainy accurate film representation......I asked which version you think a person who is new to blu and just wanted to show off their hd tv would find more appealing.......

And the answer is in. Check #13 on Amazon's most popular bluray deals and notice the green up arrow.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/dvd/16295751

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by supercutz

I wish ignorant comments like this would stop being posted.

It's not an ignorant statement. I know of plenty of people who play games and most (not all) of them hate film grain and often say something like, "Why can't the film be as clear as the PS3 games I play?" They view film grain as video noise/artifacts. Their lifelike games have no grain, so why should movies (in their eyes).

Man, I had several call me up yelling to me about the movie, 300. lol They were really pissed about that one.

[kpkelley]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

And the answer is in. Check #13 on Amazon's most popular bluray deals and notice the green up arrow.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/dvd/16295751

As previously noted...

Originally Posted by kpkelley

Sales figures in this instance are crap, given the release of the new Predators film. No one can say with any certainty whether or not the title would have sold more or fewer copies if they simply repackaged the old transfer with additional special features and Movie Cash.

[kpkelley]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

It's not an ignorant statement. I know of plenty of people who play games and most (not all) of them hate film-grain and often say something like, "Why can't the film be as clear as the PS3 games I play?"

Man, I had several call me up *****ing to me about the movie, 300. lol They were really pissed about that one.

Just cause your friends are ignorant doesn't mean all ps3 fan boys are.


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BTW, mars396 owes you a box of cereal.

[mars396]

Originally Posted by kpkelley

Sales figures in this instance are crap, given the release of the new Predators film. No one can say with any certainty whether or not the title would have sold more or fewer copies if they simply repackaged the old transfer with additional special features and Movie Cash.

gotta agree with KP on this one



oh, and

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

ignorant.

99!

[kpkelley]

Originally Posted by mars396

gotta agree with KP on this one



oh, and



99!

That was 100, you forgot to include your own.

[mars396]

Originally Posted by kpkelley

ignorant

ding ding ding ding ding ! ! !


100 ignorants ! ! ! !! ! !

[Post Prod]

Looking at current sales figures of either release and trying to draw conclusions to support one side if this grain/dnr jerkfest is completely absurd.


Unless you are polling random people who buy this release directly, and what they know about the picture quality before purchasing, it's worthless to even mention.