81:19 Nielsen/VideoScan Weekly Sales Numbers

[Razzy]

"BD only won the week 65-35"

Too bad Ratatouille, Cars & Spiderman are only on Blu ray.

[dialog_gvf]

Mr. Vaughn can't be here to defend himself, and so I ask people to refrain from direct personal attacks.

Attack the message all you want, but not the messenger.

Gary

[Joe Cain]

Originally Posted by xradman

Then, people who predicted over 200,000 sold are going to be disappointed. We just move on to next week.

It's hard for me to get concerned for Ratatouille sales---regardless of how it well it moves in week 1, are there any other BD titles that will have longer legs than Pixar/Disney releases over time?

[irfoton]

as dialog said, why would he post something that will be so easily discredited. I think 65-35 sounds about right. Ratatouille was a great movie but it underperformed in theatrical release and so I don't expect it to hit a home run in BR. Face it, Toshiba has been masterful in the last few months - cheap HD-DVD player sales are going to effect the ratio.

[mattym]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

Mr. Vaughn can't be here to defend himself, and so I ask people to refrain from direct personal attacks.

Attack the message all you want, but not the messenger.

Gary

fair enough...i apologise for any offence i caused. Im sure he isnt a dumbass really, its meerly his internet persona.

[BTBuck1]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

Mr. Vaughn can't be here to defend himself, and so I ask people to refrain from direct personal attacks.

Attack the message all you want, but not the messenger.

Gary

Why not?, he got banned for being a Douschebag

J/k, I had to. You left the door wide open!

[BluOgre]

Originally Posted by mattym

if you take into account the apparent 90k hddvd players sold, and say ok that will have shifted some hddvd, then 65% is a very big score. We wont know till disney spit out some numbers for the rat

The only thing you would have to account for is the free movies that were given at the time of purchase that counted as "sales". But I thought the majority of the sales were spiderman week, not Rat week. Oh well, I'll say this I was telling everyone not to expect Rat to sell like the Spider because you have to look at who your customers are current for highdef. It's not exactly family friendly yet. Disney admitted this to me in a meeting. It's one reason why you don't see Jungle Book on highdef right now (DVD just released again last month). Next year is when Disney is expecting to have some of their animated titles (Sleeping Beauty and Tinker Bell I think) go blu.

[RedIsNotBlue]

Am I in the Twilight Zone??? How is 65-35 bad especially after the $98 HD DVD player sale? I do find it funny thought that HD DVD is getting beaten so bad in discs sales the supporters can only say "Well we didn't lose by THAT much this week."

[mattym]

Originally Posted by RedIsNotBlue

Am I in the Twilight Zone??? How is 65-35 bad especially after the $98 HD DVD player sale? I do find it funny thought that HD DVD is getting beaten so bad in discs sales the supporters can only say "Well we didn't lose by THAT much this week."

i think we all got caught up in the hype over the ratatoullie seemingly selling well

[The Big Blue]

Curse you Nielsen!

[stockstar1138]

i already broke down what i think hd dvd sold for the week and that is 80k. if rat only did 70k, that would mean that spiderman (combined) did less than 30k this week, cars did less than 20k and everything else combined did less than 40k, i just find those numbers incredibly low. vaughn cites poor blu-ray sales as the reason for the low numbers, not improved hd dvd ones, so the sale didn't create some high amount of sales for hd dvd that threw off the %s. i don't think vaughn's numbers make any sense, once they are broken down. it appears to be in your face, i hope people see this and believe it without thinking about it FUD!

[lztp6k]

Originally Posted by BluOgre

The only thing you would have to account for is the free movies that were given at the time of purchase that counted as "sales". But I thought the majority of the sales were spiderman week, not Rat week. Oh well, I'll say this I was telling everyone not to expect Rat to sell like the Spider because you have to look at who your customers are current for highdef. It's not exactly family friendly yet. Disney admitted this to me in a meeting. It's one reason why you don't see Jungle Book on highdef right now (DVD just released again last month). Next year is when Disney is expecting to have some of their animated titles (Sleeping Beauty and Tinker Bell I think) go blu.

The $98 player did not include any scanned movies. It came with 5 from mail-in-rebate.

[TauRus]

Originally Posted by lztp6k

Obviously we don't know if those numbers are accurate yet but I would be disappointed in those numbers because I thought the rat would crush HD. To have the numbers slide either shows animation titles aren't going to sell in huge numbers yet or the $98 player moved more titles than anyone had given them credit for.

I think its time to realize that there will not be a single title or a single week to crush HD DVD. My score is this: 45:0 - which 45 straight weeks of winning. Let's just keep it going by continuously supporting the Blu.

[marzetta7]

Originally Posted by irfoton

as dialog said, why would he post something that will be so easily discredited. I think 65-35 sounds about right. Ratatouille was a great movie but it underperformed in theatrical release and so I don't expect it to hit a home run in BR. Face it, Toshiba has been masterful in the last few months - cheap HD-DVD player sales are going to effect the ratio.

Errr, masterful? I think not. Effect the ratio? If you mean by effecting the reatio you mean not changing the ratio from last week, then yeah, maybe.

[Razzy]

Originally Posted by RedIsNotBlue

Am I in the Twilight Zone??? How is 65-35 bad especially after the $98 HD DVD player sale? I do find it funny thought that HD DVD is getting beaten so bad in discs sales the supporters can only say "Well we didn't lose by THAT much this week."

Like I said earlier, 65:35 are great #s. I think people were expecting too much this week, especially with those cheap ass players in the mix. The HD DVD camp wishes they had these #s.

[stockstar1138]

Originally Posted by mattym

i think we all got caught up in the hype over the ratatoullie seemingly selling well

i can't imagine spiderman 3 selling 100% more copies than ratatouille, ratatouille was a much better movie.

[lztp6k]

Originally Posted by TauRus

I think its time to realize that there will not be a single title or a single week to crush HD DVD. My score is this: 45:0 - which 45 straight weeks of winning. Let's just keep it going by continuously supporting the Blu.

There is no doubt about that at all. Red won't win a single week for a long time, if ever.

[bdrex28]

Originally Posted by mattym

i think we all got caught up in the hype over the ratatoullie seemingly selling well

Possibly true, I had a hell of a time finding it not being sold out at stores near me. I'm in Oklahoma City , so while it's not a huge city it's still pretty good sized.

I wonder if they shipped out less than we all thought.

[BluOgre]

Originally Posted by lztp6k

The $98 player did not include any scanned movies. It came with 5 from mail-in-rebate.

Either it was the $98 player or the $199 player, they were giving away 3 movies at the point of sale along with the mail-in-rebate for 5 others.

It was just like the X360 add on, they gave away movies for free with it that counted towards the sales because they were scanned at the POS. That's why Heroes has made a big jump back on the sales charts.

[RedIsNotBlue]

Originally Posted by Razzy

Like I said earlier, 65:35 are great #s. I think people were expecting too much this week, especially with those cheap ass players in the mix.

I honestly was expecting it to be closer after that sale but it looks like the 40GB basically offset it I dunno.